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Semi-protected edit request on 3 July 2014

37.15.182.33 (talk) 19:07, 3 July 2014 (UTC) Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has admitted that Washington has founded Al-Qaeda.

In an interview on Wednesday at the U.S. network Fox News, Clinton admitted that the U.S. government He created Al-Qaeda.

He also stated that the group was funded and equipped with missiles, as well as everything they needed.

The U.S. official explained that the initiative to create this paramilitary organization currently employs terrorist practices around the world, was the U.S. government.

"When the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, we had this bright idea to go to Pakistan and create a force of Mujahideen or militants, equip them, we gave them missiles and everything else, that will face the Soviets in Afghanistan, we succeeded. The Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan and let these fanatics trained and well-armed militants in Afghanistan and Pakistan, "he said.

U.S., mentor of the terrorist cell of the revelations of the Secretary of State itself, invaded Afghanistan in 2001 under the pretext of fighting "international terrorism" military adventure that has claimed the lives of thousands of Afghan civilians.

Not done: False information, not even an attempt at false sources.
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This editor is being misleading, but not entirely inaccurate. Clinton did not claim that the US created al-Qaeda but she did discuss how the US funded the mujahideen - Operation Cyclone. DylanLacey (talk) 04:45, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

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Wrong and outdated flag

The flag shown is not the flag used by the international al-Qaida organization, it is the design that was used by al-Zarqawi's group in Iraq, which operated as Jama'at at-Tawhid wa-al-Jihad pre-2004, and as Tanzim al-Qa'idah fi Bilad ar-Rafidayn (al-Qaida in Iraq) from 2004-2006.

JTJ:

AQI:

As can be seen in the above photos, there was no standard flag JTJ or AQI flag. The size, writing style, and word arrangement differed between individual flags. The only consistency is the shahadah on top, a solid circle in the middle, and the name of the organization around or below the circle.

Flag of al-Qaeda.svg should not redirect to Flag of al-Qaeda_in_Iraq.svg. The yellow on black flag was specifically used only by Zarqawi's group, not al-Qaida central or even any other al-Qaida affiliates. From an interview with Major Doug Walter: "they actually found black flags with the yellow moon in the middle that was Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's symbols" [1]. Dr. Markus Kaim as well writes of the flag as specifically Zarqawi's, not al-Qaida's: "His group also designed its own black flag, which sported a yellow circle at its center, most likely signifying the rising sun. Above the circle the militants had written the Muslim profession of faith and below the name of the organization. All these activites pointed at Zarqawi's self confidence as a terrorist leader equal to Bin Laden and Zawahiri." [2]

From a recent article regarding fighting between ISIS and Jabhat an-Nusrah: "The traditional al-Qaeda flag has a black rectangular background with the words “There is no god but God and Muhammad is the messenger of God” written in the Thuluth Islamic script." (i.e., Flag_of_Jihad.svg) ... "After this split [between ISI and al-Qaida], Jabhat al-Nusra abandoned the ISI flag, which it raised for two years in Syria and adopted the original al-Qaeda flag, with the addition of the words “Jabhat al-Nusra”" (Flag_of_the_Al-Nusra_Front.svg) ... "The leaders of the international al-Qaeda organization never raised the ISI flag, even in the early phases, when the two organizations were considered one. Osama bin Laden appeared in speeches, messages and photos with the original al-Qaeda flag in the background. No pictures were found showing Zawahri with any flag. For background, he uses a white cloth or a bookshelf." Although this last quote is referring to the flag of the Islamic State of Iraq, it applies equally to the flag of JTJ/AQI - al-Qaida central never used it. --Axiom292 (talk) 10:03, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Al-Qaeda number of operatives?

Many number in this articles seem outdated. The 2,500 operatives in Iraq ignores the present day situation with the Islamic State. Many former Al-Qaeda fighters in both Syria and Iraq have left Al-qaeda and joined the Islamic state reducing the number of Al-Qaeda operatives. If there is any information available on how many Al-Qaeda fighters joined the Islamic State that might be important to add in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.84.222.21 (talk) 20:56, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Number of Al-Qaeda operatives - part two

Many numbers in this articles seem outdated. The 2,500 operatives in Iraq ignores the present day situation with the Islamic State. Many former Al-Qaeda fighters in both Syria and Iraq have left Al-qaeda and joined the Islamic state reducing the number of Al-Qaeda operatives. The 2,500 Al-Qaeda operatives in Iraq used to be "Al-Qaeda in Iraq" which is now the Islamic State. 10,000 fighters from the Al-Qaeda group Al-Nusra have also joined the Islamic state in reaction to their recent successes. Evidence for the 10,000 fighters joing ISIS is due to reports before that Al-Nusra had 15,000 fighters and now reports are saying that Al-Nusra only has 5,000 fighters. Logically this would mean they either disbanded or joined the Islamic State.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2669218/ISIS-doubles-size-one-fell-swoop-merges-al-Qaedas-15-000-strong-Syrian-offshoot-border-Iraq.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Nusra_Front

I recommend the following changes be made: Remove numbers on Al-Qaeda operatives in Iraq, and reduce Al-Qaeda number of operatives in Syria to 5,000-10,000 replacing the old 7,000 to 20,000 number. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.84.222.21 (talk) 22:24, 27 August 2014 (UTC)


Someone with privileges needs to edit the "strength" number in the right column for Afganistan. It currently says that they have 40 members and cites a source that is talking about 40 dead/captured. Jamesg166 (talk) 23:50, 15 September 2014 (UTC)jamesg166

Capitalization

Why is the 'A' in "Al-Qaeda" capitalized at the beginning of sentences and in the title of the article, but not at the top of the infobox on the right?

WikiWinters (talk
) 19:39, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

According to the
WP:TITLEFORMAT, thus "al-" should be capitalized at the start of article titles. I don't think there is any such rule for infobox titles.--Axiom292 (talk
) 22:51, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
This is the title of an article as such the title depends
WP:AT not the MOS. Usage in Arabic is not relevant it is used in reliable English language sources that need to be considered. -- PBS (talk
) 12:31, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 January 2015

Charlie Hebdo shooting should be added under Europe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting 50.103.47.187 (talk) 23:26, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

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Spain

Why is not Spain on the list of opponents? 81.202.177.150 (talk) 19:29, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Maybe Spain is not on the list by Hispanophobia... because Spain is in NATO and was attacked March 11, 2004... So, Why is not on the list?

Al-Qaida is capitalizing on the Saudi bombing to strengthen its stronghold

"On Friday, al-Qaida fighters overran a key army camp in the capital of Hadramawt province, Mukalla. Officials said they seized tanks, rocket launchers and small arms.

Also Friday, President Barack Obama spoke by phone with Saudi Arabia's King Salman. The White House says the two leaders agreed" VOA exact quote

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Ideology

Isn't it just reactionary?

A few links: The Three Versions of Al-Qaeda Al-Qaeda's Strategic, Ideological and Structural Adaptations since 9/11 ISIS Has Kicked al Qaeda’s Ass – Fracture Chart Update April 2015 . TGCP (talk) 21:03, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Is North Korea really the official opponent of Al-Qaeda?

As far as I know, there is no official source reporting that North Korean government has claimed themselves as the official opponent of Al-Quaeda 50.92.35.105 (talk) 15:44, 02 June 2015 (UTC). i personally dont understand why qutbism is written as alqaeeda ideology,qutb never told terrorism,proof is his life and his organization muslim brother hood,also allies like jamat e islami,they are pro democratic,moderates who belive in humanity and God.never forget egypts first democratically elected prescident is from it. www.jih.org .please stop spreading lies against real islam.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Pkjasim (talk • contribs) 15:01, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

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Corrections to "United States Operations"

I believe that, in the first paragraph of United States Operations, the phrase "United States Capital" was intended to be "United States Capitol". Additionally, "Washington D.C., Maryland" should be corrected to "Washington, D.C."

128.151.150.2 (talk) 06:50, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for catching those errors. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 17:38, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 January 2015

September 11th section's 4th paragraph should me modified to remove an uncited assertion that is inconsistent with other, cited, facts.

The sentence:

He also claimed the 9/11 attacks were not targeted at people, but "America's icons of military and economic power," despite the fact he planned to attack in the morning where most of the people in the intended targets were present and thus generating massive amount of human casualties.[221]

Should be changed to:

He also claimed the 9/11 attacks were not targeted at people, but "America's icons of military and economic power", despite the facts that a civilian site was targeted and thousands of civilians were killed in the attack.[221]

The edit is focused on removal of the assertion that the attack was made "[when] most of the people in the intended targets were present". The citation for the sentence is unavailable and, based on its title, unlikely to confirm this particular claim.

The figure of 50,000 people working in the towers ("The World Trade Center". New York State Museum. New York State Museum. Retrieved 15 November 2015.) combined with apparent NIST estimates (cited on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks) of 14,154 to 17,400 people being present in the towers at the time of the first impact suggest that the statement of an intention to strike "[when] most of the people in the intended targets were present" may be exaggerated, or even inaccurate.

Citations given for these figures on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks :

131. Averill (2005), chapter "Occupant Behavior, Egress, and Emergency Communications", pp ??

132. Dwyer and Flynn (2005), p. 266.

It is possible that the attack was, in fact, planned for maximum civilian casualties, but we should cite a reputable source if it is to be the record here.

Done Mdann52 (talk) 16:58, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

World wide caliphate

The wording from the introduction regarding Al-Qaeda wanting a world-wide caliphate appears to misleading, since it could easily be interpreted as meaning that they seek a caliphate ruling over the entire world, including non-muslim regions; whereas the provided references suggest that Al-Qaeda merely seeks a caliphate over the *muslim* world. For instance the Economist article referenced for this claim says the following (which explicitly limits the applicability to the muslim world). "First of all, they say, devout Muslims will always, in their hearts, see a global caliphate—a seat of religious-cum-political authority, holding sway over the whole Islamic world—as the ideal form of governance." LoveIsGrue (talk) 05:18, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 February 2016

Please revert Justice307's edit. I already warned him about the edit. 2602:306:3357:BA0:C9DE:1D26:778E:AD19 (talk) 05:40, 28 February 2016 (UTC) 2602:306:3357:BA0:C9DE:1D26:778E:AD19 (talk) 05:40, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Already done https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Al-Qaeda&type=revision&diff=707343323&oldid=707327545 Cannolis (talk) 12:29, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Command structure

This whole section is poor. The London bombing is COATRACK. Third paragraph is mealy-mouthed blather. Al-Bahri's book seems like a good source for pre-2001, but the text just says the book could be a good source, not what the details are.

The remaining paragraphs with long blockquotes violates NPOV. The Bergen excerpt I removed could be brought back here to counter it: "All of these assertions [from Curtis] are nonsense. There is overwhelming evidence that al Qaeda was founded in 1988 by bin Laden and a small group of like-minded militants, and that the group would eventually mushroom into the secretive, disciplined, global organization dominated by bin Laden that implemented the 9/11 attacks." [3] I would drastically cut this text and quotes back.

Al-Qaeda is not as substantial as is sometimes portrayed in the media: it has loosely-tied affiliates, supports free-lancers, provides inspiration, and doesn't have a global cadre. However, al-Qaeda core is well-organized with a definite structure and bureaucracy. - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 03:19, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Biased tone in the "CIA..." section

The purpose of Wikipedia is to provide a non-biased take on all things and the tone used in this section is not that. The section uses promotional language such as "his widely praised account" giving no justification to why it is quoted as this and not simply as "his account". It also seems incorrect to give such a short paragraph to the speech of Robin Cook, who, as the foreign secretary of UK, should have more weight put to his words than that of a journalist for CNN, despite the many books he may have written on the war82.2.79.213 (talk) 19:30, 18 April 2015 (UTC).

I took out widely praised. Section still needs work. - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 05:26, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Lead section

For the first paragraph, I suggest changing Islamist to jihadist, taking out Azzam, adding Zawahiri and Dr. Fadl, changing founding data to just 1988, and maybe a better transition than "with origins traceable" and taking out in the 1980s. It doesn't operate a stateless army and the perhaps a couple of the best descriptors should be listed only in the first sentence. Delete the kafir sentence as not worthy of the first paragraph, put it in the last lead paragraph. Just a start. - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 06:22, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Founding and Azzam

Just deleted a half sentence about the founding of al-Qaeda. [4] Guardian source deleted was just a sentence of a timeline. [5] The Bergen book excerpt is an archive which could still be useful: [6]. The first sentence of the excerpt makes clear Azzam wasn't on board with what al-Qaeda wanted to do. Wright's 2008 article cited says the same thing. Wright's 2006 book goes into more detail. Al-Qaeda was secretly founded months before the August meeting without Azzam. (p. 152 of paperback) Egyptian Jihad basically convinced bin Laden to support their plans instead of Azzam's. The book then has more info on how Azzam was sidelined.

The bottom line is that Azzam cannot be said to be a founder of al-Qaeda. I'm going to deleted his name from the infobox. Happy to discuss it here if that proves controversial. If so, please provide sources. - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 02:50, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Please provide a source for calling Azzam a leader of al-Qaeda. Because all the sources I've seen do not support it. "The founding of al Qaeda marked an irrevocable split between bin Laden and his former mentor Abdullah Azzam." Peter Bergen, [7]. Wright says the same thing. Riedel calls Azzam the spiritual father of al-Qaeda, but not a leader. I looked at all the citations in this article and at Abdullah Yusuf Azzam that deal with the founding of al-Qaeda, and only one says Azzam was anything more than present at the first meeting. That source is from Bill Moyers, which is the briefest of summaries, says "When the Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan in early 1989, bin Laden and Azzam decided that their new organization should not dissolve. They established what they called a base (al Qaeda) as a potential general headquarters for future jihad. However, bin Laden, now the clear emir of al Qaeda, and Azzam differed on where the organization's future objectives should lie. Azzam favored continued fighting in Afghanistan until there was a true Islamist government, while bin Laden wanted to prepare al Qaeda to fight anywhere in the world. When Azzam was killed in 1989, bin Laden assumed full charge of al Qaeda." [8] So even that source isn't a very strong one to use for calling Azzam a leader. - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 13:32, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Flags in infobox

@

WP:INFOBOXUSE. The various group flags are certainly not useful and the four different flags at the top of the infobox are excessive. I'll keep the main one at the top as a compromise. If you wish to make an actual argument for their use in this infobox (something that makes sense, not "The flags are important for the comprehension of the global imagery"), please do so here to gain consensus for it. - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk
02:48, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Problem with leader

The leader states: As Salafist jihadists, they believe that the killing of civilians is religiously sanctioned, and they ignore any aspect of religious scripture which might be interpreted as forbidding the murder of civilians and internecine fighting.[1][53]

This is incorrect because it ignores the difference between muslim and non-muslim civilians

The targeting of non-muslim civilians is allowed under islamic law because there is no difference between military and civilian in Islam The only thing that makes blood illegal to spill is being a muslim or having a treaty wih the muslims Non-Muslim women and children cannot be killed however, that is they cannot be directly targeted So al-Qaeda only sanctions the targeting and killing of non-Muslim males

Regarding muslim civilians however, Al-Qaeda has never targeted them and this is not allowed in Islam to kill another Muslim Any deaths of Muslim civilians from al-Qaeda operations are regretted and they are never targeted, if they are killed it was accidental, and under islamic law blood money should actually be payed to their families

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Al-Qaeda

Jabhat Fateh al-Sham left Al-Qaeda, they're not part of it. Beshogur (talk) 21:43, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

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Al Qaeda was pretty much destroyed by the United States and the remaining members are with ISIS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calholt3 (talk • contribs) 18:09, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

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Fake propaganda videos

The following news and information needs to be added somewhere in the article. I leave it to more experienced editors.

The Daily Sabah reported, "In a report published in October, it was revealed that the Pentagon paid a PR firm 540 million dollars for fake Al-Qaeda videos. These videos were used to track possible al-Qaeda sympathizers and anyone watching them via spy software."[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.74.186.109 (talk) 04:56, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

  1. ^ US investigating leak related to ex-CIA director Petraeus' sex scandal. Daily Sabah. 29 November 2016.

″with origins traceable to the Soviet war in Afghanistan″

this phrase in the lead sounds misleading as it creates the impression the Al Q was founded by the USSR, whereas the sources (those cited and numerous other) indicate it was a front organisation of the C.I.A., at the very least funded by the C.I.A. as well as Saudi Arabia (a closest ally of the U.S.). I would suggest "traceable to the CIA when it supported the forces fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan in 1980s".Axxxion (talk) 13:36, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Such claims are contentious and disputed by numerous
CIA–al-Qaeda controversy. The article would be contradicting itself if the lead was asserting US support was responsible for creating it, and further down the page making the case against the theory. Gazkthul (talk
) 00:10, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
At no time in history was Al Qaeda funded or supported by the CIA or USA. AQ's initial support was exclusively from Saudi Arabia and other Gulf Arab donors. As Gazkthul notes, check the article at
CIA–al-Qaeda controversy for further info. Walterego (talk
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al-Qaeda as an Islamist group

In searches:

Islamist seems to be the majority term.

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07:17, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Raw searches are meaningless. It is the usage in reliable sources that matter. -- PBS (talk) 12:29, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Islamist and jihadist are not synonymous. Al-Qaeda is both. --Axiom292 (talk) 00:35, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Yes, Islamist suggests someone whose politics are determined by a radical interpretation of Islam, whereas Jihadist suggests someone who is engaged in warfare or conflict on behalf of Islamist politics. Walterego (talk) 00:09, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2017

change militant Sunni Islamist multi-national organization to militant multi-national organization that hide behind the name of islam 175.139.16.233 (talk) 07:17, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2018

Can you add " Iran (alleged)" to the allies list? It would appear Iran has allegedly arming al-Qaeda.

---108.162.179.236 (talk) 01:36, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

 Done L293D (☎ • ✎) 12:13, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Qatar denied allying with Alqeada

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/qatar-foreign-minister-denies-funding-al-qaeda-groups/ SharabSalam (talk) 01:58, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Copyedit

Hello all, I recently made a large copyedit to this page.

This page is a monster, and parts of the article were very hard to work with. If anyone thinks they can improve on the edit that I have done, please feel free to do so. If you believe I made a mistake, I ask that you NOT undo the edits that I have made, but that you instead edit the article directly. I went over so much text that there are likely a few mistakes.

I would be in favor of breaking the article down into smaller pieces. I think that there could be some benefit in removing a large amount of the text. This is especially true regarding the text which is repetitious, and covered on other pages.

Thanks! Triangleman3 (talk) 22:23, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Designation as a terrorist group: Al-Qaeda defined as a terror organisation in Norway?

Looking at "Designation as a terrorist group" section I noticed that Norway is not one of the countries there. In trying to research whether or not Norway do in fact classify Al-Qaeda as a terrorist group I had trouble finding official statements saying this. However I did find an article on PST's (Norwegian Police Security Service) a Threat Assessment rapport for the year 2018, where in fact Al-Qaeda was classified as such.

Is this a good enough validation? Link: https://www.pst.no/alle-artikler/trusselvurderinger/annual-threat-assessment-2018/

Asabiyya (talk) 16:34, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Assertions about the size of Al Qaeda -- redux

In 2011, I started a section here entitled "Assertions about the size of Al Qaeda then, now?" Talk:Al-Qaeda/Archive 9#Assertions about the size of Al Qaeda then, now?. No replies for months, so I missed a response that said, "A WSJ article in Sept 2011 quotes a pentagon spokesman who says the government's current estimate is 3000-4000 members." That WSJ article almost certainly was quoting a spokesman who either didn't know, or didn't care, that the number he was quoting misleadingly included the membership of the spin-offs, which were then and remain now, essentially independent. Geo Swan (talk) 06:20, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Just looked at the strength section of the infobox. Some citations are a bit weak. I've added dates and filled out some of the refs, but I think it needs a full overhaul of sources.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobfrombrockley (talk • contribs) 09:59, 22 October 2018 (UCT) (UTC)

WP:BLP

I have removed the paragraph (diff) that started:

"The most prominent Saudis who supported al-Qaeda include Saudi billionaire ..."

because it includes allegations that are not included in the biographies of the named people on Wikipedia. If such allegations are to be m ade then the paragraph needs to include who is making the allegations (

in-text attribution) and citations to reliable sources supporting the specific allegations. -- PBS (talk
) 13:57, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2019

In the lead section: change "Soviet invasion of Afghanistan" to

Soviet-Afghan War
, since the latter is the actual article name, and because the "invasion" only refers to 1979, whereas the entire war covers the whole 10 year period until 1989 including Al-Qaeda's involvement within.

In the infobox: change "War in North-West Pakistan" to Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, since the latter is the new name of that article as recently changed. DQttwo (talk) 14:35, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

 Not done Request made by now blocked sock. — MRD2014 (talk) 22:43, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Assertion of true Islam.

In the introduction, there is a line that says "As Salafist jihadists, members of al-Qaeda believe that the killing of non-combatants is religiously sanctioned. This belief ignores the aspects of religious scripture which forbid the murder of non-combatants and internecine fighting." I feel this line asserts that Wikipedia has defined the true interpretation of Islam. It's equivalent to saying Protestants ignore biblical scripture which forbid contraceptives. I think this line is better served in the criticisms section along with the people who made this criticism. In this case, the sources of the line coming from Assaf Moghadam and Magnus Ranstorp. I do not have access to these original sources, so I can't add these particular sources to the criticism sections myself, but I think we should at least delete this line in the introduction. --KayleL (talk) 17:55, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2020

I would like to add that there are many more countries opposing this specific terrorist groups countries such as: Egypt Algeria Germany Iraq 2A00:23C5:E28D:CC00:91F4:BE46:585D:D68D (talk) 23:05, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Interstellarity (talk) 23:09, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

References/Citations

I’ve made a first attempt at cleaning up the citation errors and warnings. There were/are a lot of variety going on in there. I need to regroup and consider how to eat the elephant. If other editors have ideas, concerns, or opinions about the clean up let’s discuss it here. —¿philoserf? (talk) 06:18, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2020

America allegedly supported Al qaeda when it first formed 37.200.154.109 (talk) 16:12, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide
 Darth Flappy «Talk»
16:25, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

November 2020

Thewinnerz33: Please don't make edits like these to the lead again, while misleadingly claiming that your edit was sourced. The sources cited in the lead, namely PBS and BBC do not verify what you added. Also note this article is under a one-revert restriction. Kind regards, Mar4d (talk) 18:17, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Also a note on the Bergen source, that the page number (which is actually 85) makes a mention of a "meeting" where the formation of AQ was discussed but nothing further as to its actual establishment. The 9/11 Commission Report as cited already in the article mentions its founding in Afghanistan in August 1988, which is more specific and in line with the events recounted in BBC and PBS above. Given the preponderance of other sources establishing the same, preference is given to
WP:WEIGHT. Mar4d (talk
) 18:56, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

adding Israel to the list of state opponent

We should add Israel to the list of state opponents. Israel has been involved in attacks against Al Qaeda (like the assassination in Iran). source:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/world/middleeast/al-masri-abdullah-qaeda-dead.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:ED0:5902:E500:1887:2741:86D8:7EA5 (talk) 08:55, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Azzam as co-founder of Al-Qaeda

Already added a discussion section to the article about Abdullah Yusuf Azzam but I guess this one has more contributors and will be read by far more people. According to his biographer Thomas Hegghammer, the claim that Azzam was co-founder of Al-Qaeda is “almost certainly inaccurate”.

Hegghammer, Thomas (2020). The Caravan. Abdallah Azzam and the Rise of Global Jihad. Cambridge University Press. p. 354.

ISBN 978-0-521-76595-4
. 

Abdallah Azzam has often been described as a “co-founder of al-Qaida”, but this is almost certainly inaccurate. In fact, there is no evidence to suggest that he was anything more than an observer during the emergence of the new group.

p. 355 

Azzam is not described as an al-Qaida member in other relevant primary sources from this period, and he never mentioned the organization in his own writings or speeches. In short, Azzam was neither a co-founder nor a member of al-Qaida.

Jo1971 (talk) 14:25, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Is Ayman al-Zawahiri dead?

It's not a new question, so many people are wondering if al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri is dead and Saif al-Adel took control of al-Qaeda but al-Qaeda is keeping this a secret until it rebuilds itself. Ayman al-Zawahiri didn't appear in any videos since a very long time and also so many reports such as this claimed that he was actually dead since November 2020 but such reports didn't get any confirmation. Kiro Bassem (talk) 01:43, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Kiro Bassem Cant confirm, but I saw this article https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/amp/articles/29506/if-ayman-al-zawahiri-really-is-dead-don-t-write-al-qaida-s-obituary-just-yet "because those messages failed to reference any specifically current events—his vague comments about Rohingya Muslims could apply to events in Myanmar over the past several years—it fueled further speculation that the septuagenarian terrorist leader was in fact dead." Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 08:54, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Shadowwarrior8 He is also suffering from asthma, with the old age, could make some people believe that he is actually dead. Kiro Bassem (talk) 09:10, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

He probably is Kiro Bassem These grps operate shadowly so they hide their leaders death while someone on behalf of him manages the organisation, only to reveal later that he died. Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 13:54, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes Shadowwarrior8, and I bet who is managing al-Qaeda (if Ayman al-Zawahiri was dead) is Saif al-Adel, an Egyptian former military colonel who has been described here "as dangerous as Osama bin Laden." Kiro Bassem (talk) 14:11, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Continued targeting of Al Qaeda leadership

I can't see an article anywhere, keeping track of attacks on Al Qaeda leadership. I suppose it's an unfashionable topic: first Islamic State got all the attention, and then we had the new issues of the Trump era, and now the age of Covid... Nonetheless, Al Qaeda apparently still exist, and are still hunted. Abu Muhammad al-Masri, apparently Zawahiri's deputy and designated successor, was allegedly killed in Iran in August, and Abu Muhsin al-Masri, number 2 in Al Qaeda's South Asian branch, was killed in Afghanistan in October. Like Zawahiri, both were Egyptian ("al Masri"). Mporter (talk) 11:44, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Mporter, have you taken a look at List of al-Qaeda members? It's not quite what you're talking about, but it does list a status for each member. That article definitely needs work though. Template:al-Qaeda is more comprehensive.—A L T E R C A R I  ✍ 20:33, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
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