Talk:Athens Suburban Railway

I propose merging the contents of

Instead of merging the contents of

Line 1 (Athens Suburban Railway) to Line A1 (Athens Suburban and Regional Railway), as this is the offical numbering given by Hellenic Train in its map. GoatGamer1 (talk) 17:57, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply

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In my opinion, I think the routes can be sufficiently covered in the main article because, unlike the Athens Metro or London Underground lines, there is not much route-specific history to warrant their own articles. I think the depth of history of the routes is quite similar to the routes of the Athens Tram and the Manchester Metrolink. --Minoa (talk) 20:51, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would disagree, only as the routes can follow multiple lines, and can lead to the right hand text box for each station getting cluttered. When thinking of the demarcation, I think of of services across Europe such as Merseyrail in and round Liverpool UK. Once part of BR, but now a separate organization, Merseyrail has a number of pages on Wikipedia. There is Merseyrail, Northern line and Liverpool, Crosby and Southport Railway. One is the name of the combined service, one is the name of line, and one is the historic name of the line when it opened? all the same, but all different... would argue this is in the same light. I would agree more work is needed on the sections, and some duplication can be removed, or rewritten, to better highlight each page. Further I have been meaning to translate A2-A4 but have not been in the right mindset of late. I must add that I see this a friendly discussion, and if its decided to combine I will stand by the groups decision! ✠ Emperor of Byzantium ✠ (talk) 19:24, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to make a reasonable proposal in light of recent developments that saw the introduction of (official) line numbers:

• Restructure the line articles to "Lines A1 and A2 (Athens Suburban Railway)", "Lines A3 (Athens Suburban Railway)" and "Lines A4 (Athens Suburban Railway)". This is because Line A2 nearly duplicates part of Line A1, except for a significantly short section between Metamorfosi and Ano Liosia.
• Maintain "Athens Suburban Railway" as a common name, but note the official name "Athens Suburban and Regional Railway" in context.
• Delete "Line 5 (Athens Suburban Railway)" for now, because the section between Kiato and Aigio has always been separate from the Suburban Railway (source). There is currently no information on what number the Loutraki branch will use.

-- Minoa (talk) 08:49, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Metamorfosi-Ano Liosia section of line A2 is only six minutes, under 20% of the 34-minute service. A2 currently works as a supplementary route to A1, so for now you can put it on the A1 page. But it is kind of the successor to the Airport-Kiato route, of which the A.L.-Kiato section was transferred to the Athens-A.L. route which was named A4 last September. Yes, the official name considers A4 and A3 to be regional routes while A1 and A2 are the suburban ones, because A3 and A4 go out of Attica and to towns more than 80km away, but i also think that it is so they dont provide as frequent service and they can justify low frequency, as A4 is the only regional route with 1 train per hour, while the rest have frequencies of a train per two or more hours. People still call it προαστιακός though, they probably haven‘t noticed the longer new name.

About the history of each line, A3 started the same as it is now, then it was extended to Pireaus in 2012 and cut back to Athens in 2017, A1 was the original route, was extended to Pireaus in 2007, then discontinued in 2010, resumed in 2017 only to Athens and finally extended to Pireaus in 2018, and unofficially cut back to Rentis in 2021 due to electrification problems, A4 started in 2005 as Athens-Corinth, extended to Kiato in 2007 and to Pireaus, cut back to Ano liosia in 2010, cut back to Athens in 2012, extended to Kiato in 2017 and after these is the same as A1's history, and finally A2 was established in 2007 as Neratziotissa-Airport, extended to Ano Liosia in 2009, to Kiato in 2010, cut back in 2017 to S.K.A. and extended to A.L. in 2018. Former services include the Pireaus-Athens route in 2017-2018, which has unofficially resumed in 2021 as Pireaus-Rentis, and finally Airport-Kiato [not A2!] and Athens-Kiato[not A4!] in 2020, June to November(discontinued due to lockdown) which were semi express services that connected to the Aigio route when the Aigio section opened.

The Kiato-Aigio route is kind of an extension to line A4, but has low frequency like other regional routes. It will probably be discontinued when that section is electrified or extended if the next section of the railway to Patras opens first. It is only connected to the A4 route and the Odontotos touristic route. GoatGamer1 (talk) 09:55, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]