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Group split

did blue break up??!--Amr Hassan 03:43, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes--hottie 16:31, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling of Costa's first name

There seems to be two versions of Costa's first name being spelt on Wikipedia. In the article it is spelt as Antony, although the official Blue website gives it as Anthony. Antony Costa redirects to Anthony Costa, which is what you'd expect, but sources such as the ITV website for I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here! gives the spelling as Antony. (See: Antony Costa's Profile) No wonder there is confusion over the correct spelling! Anyone know for sure which is the right one? -TonyW 22:53, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The redirects mentioned above no longer apply as references to the Blue singer now point to Antony Costa. -TonyW 23:38, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

His name his Antony Daniel Costa. I have some Blue CD's and his name is always written without h. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.131.28.246 (talk) 14:10, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Clean up

I've tagged this article for a clean up. The Discography section especially needs citation for most chart positions. I've made a start but need to gather more information and sources. Any help would be appreciated :) -- Sarz 10:26, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't be surprised if 99% of the chart positions listed were false. Various IPs and at least one registered user constantly change chart positions on the articles for the various members of Blue, which I'm constantly reverting. -- AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:12, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Would anyone have a problem if I removed all the chart positions that aren't referenced and added a table I've been working on that contains only referenced chart positions? The others can always be added back if sources are found. -- AnemoneProjectors (talk) 16:00, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have a problem with it :) -- Sarz 23:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Good. I'm doing it RIGHT NOW! -- AnemoneProjectors (talk) 17:53, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Some dickhead tried to mess it up for me! Grrr! -- AnemoneProjectors (talk) 17:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Discography

I agree with the person who said the chart positions are wrong. I'm removing the chart positions for the albums. The singles chart positions are all VERIFIED with SOURCES. PLEASE do not blank this section. See the sections above in this talk page. -- AnemoneProjectors (talk) 12:22, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Blue dilemma

Hello! I noticed that it is said in the article that Blue sold only over 3.7 million records. But on their official website [1] I read that they sold over 7 million. It is a big difference, don't you think? Crokis (talk) 11:25, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Eurovision

Now that Blue is the UK act for Eurovision 2011 its perhaps time to sort this article out. Perhaps some rewriting is the best way to improve the article.--BabbaQ (talk) 23:19, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Eurovision, again

Should it be mentioned that if it was just the public vote, they would of placed 5th http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest_2011#Split_jury.2Ftelevoting_results_3 They were also announced as the most popular artists of Eurovision 2011 http://www.eurovision.tv/page/multimedia/photos?gal=40093 --92.7.25.92 (talk) 17:27, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move.Cúchullain t/c 13:50, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Blue (group) → Blue (English band) – The current title is ambiguous as there are at least two other musical groups known as 'Blue': Blue (duo) and Blue (Scottish band). The relevant naming guideline recommends disambiguation using "(band)", not "(group)", and further disambiguation by nationality: "Use further disambiguation only when needed (for example X (American band), X (Australian band))." -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:58, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dear JIP,

As much as I can see why you have posted extracts from the Scotland and Great Britain articles, I do find it a little over patronising on your part; more so when I am British. I live in the United Kingdom; and have Scottish ancestry. So I think I would know a little more of the fact that Scottish people prefer to be known as Scottish, and not British. A Scots persons gets highly offended and insulted at being referred to as British and not Scottish.

Mouse 15:54, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply
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I can understand that Scottish people feel offended by being called British, but moving this article to
Blue (English band) won't do any harm, because we won't be moving the other article Blue (Scottish band) anywhere. JIP | Talk 16:15, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply
]
Maybe so for the Scottish band. But the main factor that appears to be being ignored for this particular article is the five vital criteria set out at
WP:NAMINGCRITERIA
. Wikipedia article titles must have the following characteristics;
  • Recognizability – Titles are names or descriptions of the topic that are recognizable to someone familiar with (though not necessarily expert in) the topic.
  • Naturalness – Titles are those that readers are likely to look for or search with as well as those that editors naturally use to link from other articles. Such titles usually convey what the subject is actually called in English.
  • Precision – Titles usually use names and terms that are precise (see below), but only as precise as necessary to identify the topic of the article unambiguously.
  • Conciseness – Titles are concise, and not overly long.
  • Consistency – Titles follow the same pattern as those of similar articles. Many of these patterns are documented in the naming guidelines listed in the Specific-topic naming conventions box above, and ideally indicate titles that are in accordance with the principles behind the above questions.
It is a known fact that the group are of four young male singers (Anthony Costa; Simon Webbe; Lee Ryan; and Duncan James). They have become recognised and globally established as being a boy band, rather than an English band. So
Blue (boy band)
fulfils the first criteria.
As they globally established as being a boy band, rather than an English band, then the naturalness in boy band is very obvious. So
Blue (boy band)
fulfils the second criteria.
Due to the naturalness the term boy band, is more precise than English band. So
Blue (boy band)
fulfils the third criteria.
Both
Blue (English band)
may be seen as concise; so either name fulfils the fourth criteria.
As
Mouse 16:31, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply
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OK, you have convinced me now. I'm happy with moving this article to either
Blue (boy band), we can then decide whether to leave Blue (Scottish band) alone or move it to Blue (rock band) as per your suggestion below. JIP | Talk 20:18, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply
]
As an aside comment, this move discussion now takes up over 77% of the entire contents of the talk page. JIP | Talk 20:21, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That is a good thing then. It shows that editors are showing a keen interest in discussion that concern issues like this. It is nice to have a full discussion, rather than have nobody discussing at all.
Mouse 21:21, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply
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It would appear that criterion at

Mouse 03:02, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply
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I went through a similar case like this at

Mouse 21:38, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply
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The juxtaposition of Scottish/boy does not form an exclusive pair, i.e. the two do not disambiguate. Either use countries, i.e.
Blue (boy band)/Blue (rock band) but do not mix the two. —  AjaxSmack  01:02, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply
]
Exactly. If we're moving this article to
Blue (boy band), we should also move Blue (Scottish band) to Blue (rock band). There can be an English boy band, a Scottish boy band, an English rock band, or a Scottish rock band, but there can't be an English Scottish band, nor does a rock boy band seem likely. JIP | Talk 11:35, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Oooohh! Rock boy band! Now there's a fresh new idea for the music industry. On that note I'd say "never, say never" to there being a rock boy band at some stage in the future lol. But yes, I agree it makes more sense to move both articles now, this one to Blue (boy band); and the other to Blue (rock band). And I can't see anything wrong in creating redirects for Blue (English band), redirecting to this page; and Blue (Scottish band) redirecting to Blue (rock band). That way it covers all angles, gives the articles more distinctive titles, while also allowing for the minority who may search for "English band" to be directed to the correct article.
Mouse 12:54, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Other suggestions

I've delved more into these 3 articles, and the solution may be easier than we anticipated. Blue (duo) is a BLP stub, and has a maintenance tag dated October 2010, asking for references etc, to keep in-line with notability guidelines for music, or the article may be deleted. As there have been none, then that article should have been deleted a long time ago.

If a decision to delete

Mouse 21:15, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply
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I think that would be a step in the right direction, and so I've started a deletion discussion for
Blue (English band), and I consider that to be a better option than Blue (pop boyband) (of course, that is still a better name than the current one). -- Black Falcon (talk) 17:13, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply
]
I still don't think
Mouse 17:19, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply
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I've just thought, you couldn't call them
Mouse 17:32, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply
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I think
Krystaleen (talk) 09:51, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Current article name defects from actual recognition

The band Blue are globally well-known as a boyband rather than an English band. Sources on the article alone also make references to the term "boyband". Articles for each of the band members also refer to them as being members of a "boyband". Based on distinctiveness, the band's established terminology of boyband surely would take president over a ambiguous title of English band.

Mouse 15:59, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply
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The Current article name is defecting away from the actual known recognition of the band. When you read the article it refers to them as a "pop boy band", and the sources used all refer to the same "boy band" terminology. A person searching for the band on here would automatically look for distinctive title of Boyband Blue, rather than ambiguous Blue English band. Commonsensical facts should clearly override any decision to defect away from reality. The title as it stands wouldn't be the first choice someone would type in a search engine to look for the band. Plus, if the band is an "English band" then all the artists would be English nationality, and that isn't the case here. Anthony Costa is half-Greek, and his article on here states he is a member of a "boyboand". Duncan James article also refers to him as being a member of a "boyband". And not surprisingly, the articles for Simon Webbe and Lee Ryan also state they are members of a boyband, not an English band. The change of bracketed title name is defecting away from actualism of many other articles on here relating to the band members and their discography articles.

With that in mind, I think it would be a sensible thing to discuss this thoroughly, and working to a compromising conclusion as to what title should be used, and then resubmitting an RM; as it is clear the previous one had been closed prematurely.. Despite earlier supports for the title (English band), it is very evident from further comments after those votes of "support", that a decision between (English band) or (boyband) had not been reached, as some people were in favour of either name.

Mouse 15:20, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Right, I thought the consensus of the discussion was move to
Krystaleen (talk) 15:30, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply
]
I've no idea. Apparently the consensus was to move here, even though everyone expressed that either title would be suitable. And that
Mouse 15:42, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply
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I don't see any consensus to move the page to Blue (boy band). In fact, such a name would break with
WP:NCM and would inevitably end up being moved when a new boy band named Blue was formed. Blue (English band) is the correct name by policy. Eastshire (talk) 17:59, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply
]
(from RFC) I would have thought the Blue (Boy band) would be a far better disambiguator as boy band is used to describe the group in the first sentence of the article. The fact that another boy band could be called Blue or even that another English band is formed called Blue is not a current problem and could be dealt with it ever happens. MilborneOne (talk) 18:50, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To explain my close a bit, there was obvious consensus that the former title was inappropriate, and of the various alternatives suggested, the nominator's was the best supported. While Wesley has pointed out some potential issues with the current title, they are not overwhelming, and additionally two participants noted that moving the article to

Blue (boy band) might demand a move for Blue (Scottish band), at which point we're really talking about another request entirely. The current title is perfectly acceptable by the naming conventions and appropriately distinguishes the article from Blue (Scottish band), the only currently existing ambiguous article.Cúchullain t/c 18:55, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply
]

It's distinguishing alright but doesn't really describe the band. Nowhere has the band ever referred to as an "English band", it's always been a "boy band".--
Krystaleen (talk) 01:15, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply
]
English band is more correct. Boy band is inappropriate. The guys are all around 30 now, so they're hardly boys. The term boy band itself is fairly controversial given the discussions on the
Gemini (British band) if they actually had an article).--Tuzapicabit (talk) 12:03, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply
]
If previous consensus and policy supports the current name of the article, then I would lean slightly to the article name not changing. We simply can't continually change the name of the article. --I dream of horses (T) @ 01:37, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Can you update

Too much how no updates 81.138.14.12 (talk) 10:52, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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