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Done done with some grammatical changes to make it read better. Lizthegrey (talk) 18:46, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The changes that were made also ended up changing the meaning. The territory claimed to be of DPR does not correspond only to parts of the Donetskaya oblast'. It corresponds to the entire Donetskaya oblast'. That was the reason for which I proposed a change. Besides, since the referendum for joining Russia, I think that it is not very correct to say that DPR claims something, since it is no longer an independent state, and consequently it is not responsible for any claims. On other hand, saying "which claimed territory corresponds" is better because it does not specify who claims the territory (who claims the territory is the sovereign state of which the DPR is part - Russia -, but it is not necessary to write it in the introduction). It is better not to specify who claims, than to say that DPR claims it.
You said that my original proposal was grammatically not good to read. Could you say which exactly was the problem? So that we could think on a better way to rewrite it. Ektoras duncan (talk) 19:45, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Seems better to be absolutely clear up front, that Russia claims this territory it occupied, and has controlled the DNR since May 2014. The whole lead is vague and implies the Russian-controlled “separatists” had separate agency in the matter of their sovereignty. —MichaelZ. 18:48, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to revert, but I hadn’t seen this request. “DLNR” do not have armed forces or occupy territory, Russia does. Since the 2022-09-30 “annexation” it is not claimed to have a state identity nor foreign policy, so there is no debate about this. —MichaelZ. 18:43, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Undone: This request has been undone. See discussion above. lizthegrey (talk) 19:12, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I also want to weigh in - I really think the phrasing needs to be changed in the opening paragraph. It is not on Russian territory and in calling it a republic of Russia Wikipedia seems to be adhering to Russia's definition of it.
I propose:
The Donetsk People's Republic (Russian: Донецкая Народная Республика, tr. Donetskaya Narodnaya Respublika, IPA: [dɐˈnʲetskəjə nɐˈrodnəjə rʲɪˈspublʲɪkə]; abbreviated as DPR or DNR, Russian: ДНР) is an area of eastern Ukraine which Russia has proclaimed to be one of its republics during ongoing Russian attempts to annexe parts of Ukraine since 2014. 0lida0 (talk) 22:25, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
“Internationally unrecognized republic of Russia” - what kind of concept is this? There is the concept of an unrecognized republic, there is the concept of a recognized republic and a partially recognized republic
And what's that? After that, do you call yourself an encyclopedia?
Wikipedia has become a propaganda dump
By the way
Ukraine was also initially a separatist entity
Why don't you add this to the description of the article about Ukraine
Kosovo,[a] officially the Republic of Kosovo,[b] is a country in Southeast Europe with partial diplomatic recognition. Kosovo lies landlocked in the centre of the Balkans, bordered by Serbia to the north and east, North Macedonia to the southeast, Albania to the southwest, and Montenegro to the west.
Why does this separatist entity have a completely different description?:)
Panam2014, that something is not forbidden doesn't mean that it is advisable. There was a
WP:UNDUE: It gives too much prominence to those "Heads". The other reason is that while the template looks fine at the end of an article like Head of the Republic of Ingushetia, it looks unesthetic here (at least to my eyes). Returning to status quo, since we didn't reach consensus yet. Rsk6400 (talk) 17:55, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was to merge to this article, and it used a table. Mellk (talk) 17:57, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The current version has been stable since April 10, that's nearly two and a half months. Rsk6400 (talk) 18:27, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but you do not have a veto. Mellk (talk) 18:28, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Of course not, we have to find a consensus, and for finding a consensus every editor should give their reasons. I didn't see your reasons yet. Rsk6400 (talk) 18:31, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The table is used to organize the data. Adding a table for undisputed information is useful. Mellk (talk) 18:37, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I just took a look at both versions: Apart from what I said above, I also think that the table is confusing for the reader (because of the different colours, because of the empty space between the lines that is caused by the pictures). Rsk6400 (talk) 19:42, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think it looks just fine. There is a consensus regarding their notability - otherwise article about them would not have existed on Wikipedia. Alaexis¿question? 20:16, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:DUE here on the talk page. I didn't say they are not notable, but that their notability is dubious, and the fact that their article was merged into this one is a not very convincing demonstration of their notability. Finally, the table is partly unsourced, i.e. the numbering scheme excludes an "Acting Head" and we don't have any reference for the way RS assign numbers to those "Heads". I never read "Pushilin, the 2nd Head of the DPR" in any source. Rsk6400 (talk) 06:59, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply
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My point is that the heads themselves are notable. The articles about them have existed for years and no one has challenged it. If the problem is with the numbering we can remove it. Alaexis¿question? 08:37, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, but their office is not notable enough to be given the visual prominence that comes with the table and the pictures. Panam2014, the problem is not that they lack democratic legitimacy, but that their office is not given much prominence by RS. Rsk6400 (talk) 09:23, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Area
Just a random geography fan, I've reverted your edits since the BBC country profile you added doesn't contain the area of DPR. Please feel free to add the area back with proper sourcing. Alaexis¿question? 08:23, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Territorial control of Avdiivka should be changed to Russia as Ukraine announced withdrawal Khrom3ium (talk) 03:52, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Done done with some grammatical changes to make it read better. Lizthegrey (talk) 18:46, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
Undone: This request has been undone. See discussion above. lizthegrey (talk) 19:12, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
Already done ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 19:21, 17 February 2024 (UTC)