Talk:Duke of Braganza

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Concerning the non-validity of the Pact of Paris of 1922, these are some considerations made by Fernando Luso Soares in his book: "Maria Pia, Duquesa de Bragança contra Dom Duarte Pio, o senhor de Santar", 1938 [1] [2] [3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.54.245.149 (talk • contribs)

These sites are apologetic of the fake claim made by

Hilda Toledano and Rosario Poidimani. They are not be taken seriously! The Ogre 19:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply

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Accuracy Tag

I added the accuracy tag because it was my understanding that "Duke of Braganza" has not invariably been the title of Portuguese heirs-apparent. My recollection is that in the 18th and early 19th centuries, the title of "Prince of Brazil" was often used, and that Duke of Braganza would be used for the son of the Prince of Brazil. But I am not exactly sure of this, so wanted to lay it out on talk.

k

19:38, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

As far as I remember, both titles were used by the Heir Presumptive and, where the heir also had an heir, the title of Duke of Bragança would pass to him. I.e. the Prince of Brazil would also be Duke of Brangança until the birth of his legitimate first-born male heir. The difference here is that the title of Duke of Bragança is, strictu sensu, independent from the Crown (i.e. it is a title which is held by the heir to the Crown by way of inheritance, whereas the title of Prince of Brazil was one inextricably linked to the Crown itself). [email protected] 20 Jan 2005 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.80.243.43 (talk • contribs)

Perhaps you could clarify this in the article text.

15:55, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

These minor points are always better corrected. The tag has been used as a weapon by contentious and unscrupulous Users, so that many fastidious Wikipedians avoid it.--Wetman 16:12, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I am pretty sure that the guild of merchants is not a single guild of Portuguese merchants, but individual guilds: Lisbon merchants, Oporto merchants. I haven't changed the text, but someone should vet this. --Wetman 16:12, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Wasn't it good for this article to be spli into House of Braganza and Duke of Braganza?

Because the article seem to focus on the fact that they are Dukes and they only mention that they are in fact Kings of Portugal.

Who thinks the same?--Gameiro 01:28, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, should be split along the lines of Duke of Cornwall and Duchy of Cornwall. Kaisershatner 20:46, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is the correct way to write the name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.90.34.76 (talk • contribs)

In Portuguese, yes. In English it's Braganza. The Ogre 18:50, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I found no confirmation in my sources (genealogy books) that the following ever received the duchy:

Queen

(Maria I, Duchess of Braganza) (1734-1816)

King

(Miguel I, Duke of Braganza) (1802-1866) (in exile after 1834)

Queen Maria II of Portugal (Maria II, Duchess of Braganza) (1819-1853)

(and, the count in the article lacked threev grabts which are attested in sources - thus the count arrives at identical number but through different list.)

Additionally, confirmation lacking (but not difficult to believe):

King Afonso VI of Portugal (Afonso II, Duke of Braganza) (1643-1653-1683)

King João V of Portugal (João III, Duke of Braganza) (1689-1750)

King Joseph I of Portugal (José I, Duke of Braganza) (1714-1777)

King João VI of Portugal (João IV, Duke of Braganza) (1767-1826)

King

(Pedro I, Duke of Braganza) (1798-1834)

• 19th King Pedro V of Portugal (Pedro II, Duke of Braganza) (1837-1861)

The following are just post-monarchy grants if even ever took place:

• 22nd
  Miguel II, Duke of Braganza
  (1853-1910-1927), son of King Miguel I, general of the Austrian Empire
• 23rd Duarte I, Duke of Braganza (1907-1920-1976)
• 24th
  ObRoy 19:16, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply
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Mega edit-war.

WHOA, I mean, WHOA...... This is the biggest edit war I have ever seen..... Zazaban 18:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Peter II of Brazil

I really would like to see some reference that the last emperor of Brazil used the title of Duke of Braganza while in exile, for the last two years of his life. I could not find anyone. Could someone help me? Thanks! --

Tonyjeff (talk) 01:03, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply

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Since nobody was able to find reference for the information cited above, after more than two years waiting for any response, I removed it, since I am quite sure that Peter II of Brazil never ever used such title (after 1889, he used to sign just "Pedro de Alcântara", with no title -- not even "dom"). --

Tonyjeff (talk) 23:53, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply

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Numbering

Did the Portuguese actually numbered the Dukes of Braganza or is it made up for Wikipeida?

A lot of Portuguese genealogy and nobility sites do indeed number the dukes, marquises, counts, barons, etc., although I have seen sources without numbering. It’s the same as with the British peerages. However, I don't know whether this is official usage. Mr. D. E. Mophon (talk) 17:32, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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On-going dispute

To participate and view an ongoing dispute concerning various aspects of articles pertaining to the Miguelist dukes, Maria Pia of Braganza, and the Braganza-Coburg articles, and an ongoing dispute between editors User:Anjo-Sozinho, User:Hebel, and myself, see here. Thank you, Cristiano Tomás (talk) 23:18, 21 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]