Talk:Fagan (saint)
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Move
At some point, a mod should go ahead and move this to
WP:ENGVAR
This edit established the use of the page as American English. The guy spoke Latin and missionized among the Celts who became the Welsh before the English language existed, so I'm not seeing any
Etymology
The source on Fagan's etymology is specifically focused on the etymology of Dicken's Fagin and dismisses the connection to the Welsh saint owing to one of his sources using the alternate name Fugatius. A) Per Baring-Gould, the oldest known sources use Fagan in preference to Fugatius. B) Per Robinson, those early names may have been recent Norman inventions, leaving the obviously post-2nd-century Saxon and French names in play. C) The present COMMON use of 'Fagan' in English is as a (particularly Irish) surname, which is what the source is talking about. That surname, however, is not a native Irish one but a Gaelic-sounding import from the Normans and Anglicized Welsh who colonized Meath &c. I've seen the same etymologies given here listed around the web as origins for that surname, but nice to have the three gathered in one place. — LlywelynII 08:02, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Fugatius
Knight claimed that 'Fugatius' appeared in the "
Requested move 8 September 2021
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved.
Although one editor in addition to the proposer supports the move, neither provides any evidence (or even asserts) that the article subject is
– Most notable person with the name. Has long term significance, the name basically came from him.
- No primary topic with ]
- Oppose - no evidence that the saint is the primary topic. It much better as now having Fagan leading to a huge list of names. If you compare the number of page views per month from randomly chosen people called Fagan with that of Saint Fagan, it is clear that even a sheep-shearer gets more page views that the saint.[1]-- Toddy1 (talk) 14:08, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
- In favour of moving the article to Fagan. The saint is definitely the main topic. The surnames can be moved to fagan (surname) which clearly only merits a disambiguation. Even though, we live in a society eager for likes or views, our history (in this case Wales history) will continue to be an important topic even without getting enough likes or views as expected. If wikipedia were facebook then, I would agree with you that Sofia Vergara, who gets more views than Sofia, Bulgaria should get the primary topic for eg. Sofia. By the way, the comparison of a saint to sheep-bearer can be considered very offensive and christianophobic--Lambrusquiño (talk) 19:53, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose fine as it is In ictu oculi (talk) 17:18, 13 September 2021 (UTC)