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Renaming?

See Category talk:Mining disasters for a discussion on whether to rename this and similar articles to remove the capitalisation. [[User:InaugurationBold text[[

Link title

--82.31.187.254 (talk) 19:17, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
]]|Ziggurat]] 21:36, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

1973 closure

This article says ...closed on economic grounds. The Gresford article says ...closed due to "geological problems". Neither claim is provided with a reference. "Economic grounds" can be a variety of reasons, only one of which is "geological problems". These claims could benefit from clarification. Does anyone have any reliable sources? Feline Hymnic (talk) 17:16, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of casualties

I just wondered whether the list should be put in its own article because of the length of the table? It makes the page unnecessarily long and difficult to navigate.

It's obviously very important, but it's already stated that there were more than 260 casualties, so this seems a little bit too much minutiae.

Any interested person could then use the link to see the page entitled: (for example) List of casualties of the 1934 Gresford Disaster.

Just a thought... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.170.214.23 (talk) 11:39, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support such a move. garik (talk) 14:11, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree as well. The list is also incorrect, it doesn't match the Remembrance book on the WCBC website or the other lists online. If there are no objections I'll create a new article with the list based on the Book of Remembrance.Apau98 (talk) 09:57, 20 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Fully support. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:51, 20 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Fully support, even though rather late. JDAWiseman (talk) 19:58, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
About 82 years? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:09, 13 October 2016 (UTC) [reply]

Move of page

Why was this moved without any discussion? It may be, technically, "better grammar", but it's a well-known enough event to merit full capitalisation in this case, surely? Svejk74 (talk) 08:02, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment moved from article

The comment below was posted to the article. --bonadea contributions talk 11:48, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was reading the article which interested me greatly, I note that the time recorded for the explosion is 2:08 am but the anonymous lyrics below for the poem state time as three in the morning. I just wondered which was the correct time; possibly who ever wrote the lyrics did not know the exact time and so rounded the figure up to 3.00 am —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chameleon6 (talk • contribs) 11:39, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Victims

The table has been moved as per

WP:MEMORIAL
.

The names are already available at Wrexham's own Virtual Book of Remembrance which is already an external link in this article.

Surname Forename Address Age Occupation
Anders John Thomas Bertie Road, Wrexham 31 Repairer
Anders Joseph Empress Road, Wrexham 27 Beltman
Andrews Alfred Benjamin Road, Wrexham 43 Collier
Archibald Joe Finney Street, Rhosddu 47 Collier
Archibald Thomas Council Houses, Pandy 42 Collier
Byrne Colin Goxhill 40 Collier
Bateman Maldwyn Lorne Street, Rhosddu 15 Collier
Bather Edward Wynn Finney Street, Rhosddu 36 Collier
Beddows Edward The Woodlands, High Street, Gwersyllt 63 Collier
Bew Arthur Colliery Houses, Rhosddu 45 Collier
Bewley Thomas Park Street, Rhosddu 58 Collier
Bowen Alfred Langdale Avenue, Rhostyllen 53 Collier
Boycott Henry Offa Terrace, Wrexham 38 Packer
Brain Herbert Pentrefelin, Wrexham 31 Collier
Bramwell George Western Road, New Broughton 30 Collier
Brannan John Ffordd Edgeworth, Maesydre, Wrexham 32 Collier
Brown George Birkett Street, Rhostyllen 59 Surface worker
Brown William Arthur Hightown Road, Wrexham 22 Haulage
Bryan John A.H. Llewellyn Road, Coedpoeth 20 Collier
Buckley A. Windy Hill, Summerhill 21 Collier
Burns Fred Bennions Road, Huntroyde, Wrexham 41 Collier
Capper John A. Wrexham Road, Broughton 35 Collier
Cartwright Albert Edward Florence Street, Rhosddu 24 Collier
Cartwright Charles Florence Street, Rhosddu 24 Collier
Chadwick Stephen Kenyon Street, Wrexham 21 Collier
Chesters Edwin Beales Cottages, Bradley 67 Fireman
Clutton Arthur Lorne Street, Rhosddu 29 Collier
Clutton George Albert March Terrace, New Rhosrobin 20 Collier
Clutton John T. Council Houses, Pandy 35 Haulage
Collins John Council Houses, Pandy 62 Shot Firer
Cornwall Thomas Bennions Road, Wrexham 30 Collier
Crump William Council Houses, Bradley 36 Collier
Darlington Thomas Mountain Street, Rhosllannerchrugog 28 Collier
Davies Arthur Havelock Square, Wrexham 24 Collier
Davies Edward Cyngorfa, Rhosllannerchrugog 53 Collier
Davies George William Farndon Street, Wrexham 26 Collier
Davies Hugh T. Holly Bush Terrace, Bradley 26 Collier
Davies James Williams Cottages, Moss 31 Collier
Davies James Boundary Terrace, Green, Brymbo 37 Collier
Davies James Edward Farndon Street, Wrexham 21 Collier
Davies John Meifod Place, Wrexham 64 Collier
Davies John Fernleigh, Rhosrobin Road, Wrexham 45 Collier
Davies John E. Bennions Road, Wrexham 32 Collier
Davies John R. Fernleigh, Rhosrobin 69 Collier
Davies Matthias Erw Las, Maesydre, Wrexham Collier
Davies Peter Newtown, Gresford 50 Collier
Davies Peter March Terrace, New Rhosrobin 25 Collier
Davies Peter Glanllyn, Bradley 21 Collier
Davies Robert Thomas Mountain View, Caego 34 Collier
Davies Samuel Woodland View, New Rhosrobin 35 Collier
Davies Thomas Erw Cottage, Caergwrle 31 Collier
Davies William Acton Terrace, Rhosnesni, Wrexham 33 Collier
Dodd Thomas Maeseinion, Rhosllannerchrugog 39 Collier
Duckett Fred Beech Terrace, Ruabon 29 Collier
Edge John Nelson Street, Hightown 28 Collier
Edge Samuel South Street, Rhosllannerchrugog 30 Collier
Edwards Albert Nr Kings Head, Moss 62 Collier
Edwards Ernest Green Road, Brymbo 16 Collier
Edwards E. Glyn Woodland View, New Rhosrobin 23 Collier
Edwards Ernest Thomas Queen Street, Rhosllannerchrugog 53 Collier
Edwards Frank Chestnut Ave, Acton, Wrexham 23 Collier
Edwards James Sam Top Road, Moss 87 Collier
Edwards John Edward Glanyrafon, Maesydre 39 Collier
Edwards John C. Coronation Cottages, New Road, Southsea Collier
Edwards Thomas David New Street, Rhosllannerchrugog 40 Collier
Edwards William Church Street, Rhosllannerchrugog 32 Collier
Edwardson John High Street, Gresford 41 Collier
Ellis George Council Houses, Pandy 43 Collier
Evans Fred Grange Road, Rhosddu 50 Collier
Evans John Ness Cottage, Park Wall, Gwersyllt 32 Collier
Evans Norman Grange Road, Rhosddu 45 Collier
Evans Ralph Pentre Lane, Llay 34 Collier
Fisher Len Maple Avenue, Acton 44 Collier
Foulkes Irwin Bryn Gardden, Rhosllannerchrugog 21 Collier
Gabriel Richard George Crispin Lane, Wrexham 61 Collier
Gittins Johm Henry Abenbury Street, Wrexham 42 Collier
Goodwin John Chapel Road, New Broughton 51 Collier
Griffiths Edward Brandie Cottages, Ruabon 21 Collier
Griffiths Ellis Cyngorfa, Rhosllannerchrugog 50 Collier
Griffiths Emmanuel High Street, Penycae 53 Collier
Griffiths Charles Gardd Estyn, Garden Village 25 Collier
Griffiths Frank Oxford Street, Wrexham 57 Collier
Griffiths Walter Victoria Road, Brynteg 50 Collier
Hall Walter Church Road, Brynteg 49 Collier
Hallam T.W. Railway Terrace, Gwersyllt 32 Collier
Hamlington Arthur Yew Tree Cottage, Summerhill 62 Collier
Hampson Frank Ruabon Road, Rhostyllen 32 Collier
Harrison Arthur Moss Hill, Moss 21 Collier
Harrison Charles Edward James Street, Wrexham 15 Collier
Hewitt Phillip Poplar Avenue, Rhosllannerchrugog 56 Collier
Higgins William Finney Street, Rhosddu 27 Collier
Holt Alfred Pentre Lane, Llay 31 Collier
Houlden John Henry Second Avenue, Llay 21 Collier
Hughes Cecil Tanygraig, Minera 23 Collier
Hughes Daniel First Avenue, Llay 56 Rescuer
Hughes Francis O. Acton Terrace, Rhosnesni 60 Collier
Hughes Harry Hill Crescent, Spring Lodge, Wrexham 44 Collier
Hughes John Percy Road, Wrexham 58 Collier
Hughes Peter Joseph Tanygraig, Minera 27 Collier
Hughes Robert John Lorne Street, Rhosddu 29 Collier
Hughes Walter Ellis Rosemary Crescent, Rhostyllen 24 Collier
Hughes William Long Row, Brymbo 43 Collier
Hughes William Jackson's Houses, New Rhosrobin 54 Rescuer
Humphreys Ben Vernon Street, Rhosddu 34 Collier
Humphreys John Edwards Road, Brynteg 30 Collier
Husbands Thomas Manley Road, Wrexham 40 Collier
Jarvis Ernest Ddol, Bersham 41 Collier
Jenkins William Heol Offa, Tanyfron 25 Collier
Johns Percy Ffordd Edgeworth, Maesydre 27 Collier
Jones Albert Edward Nelson Street, Wrexham 31 Collier
Jones Azariah Westminster Road, Moss 37 Collier
Jones Cyril Main Road, Rhosrobin 26 Collier
Jones Daniel Western Road, New Broughton 33 Collier
Jones David L. Colliery Road, Rhosddu 36 Collier
Jones Edward Woodland View, High Street, Gwersyllt 64 Collier
Jones Edward Queen Street, Cefn Mawr 56 Collier
Jones Edward George Ruabon Road, Wrexham 23 Collier
Jones Eric Rosemary Crescent, Rhostyllen 23 Collier
Jones Ernest Glan Garth, Maesydre 36 Collier
Jones Bill Glan Garth, Maesydre 14 Collier
Jones Evan Hugh Marion House, New Brighton, Minera 55 Collier
Jones Fred Woodland View, New Rhosrobin 30 Collier
Jones Frederick H.C. Bridge Street, Holt 31 Collier
Jones Francis Council Houses, Berse 27 Collier
Jones George Glan Garth, Maesydre 47 Collier
Jones George Humphrey Russell Street, Cefn Mawr 22 Collier
Jones Gwilym Glan Garth, Maesydre 52 Collier
Jones Henry Gordon Terrace, Rhosddu 59 Collier
Jones Idris Nant Road, Coedpoeth 37 Collier
Jones Iorwerth Bryn Dolwar, Rhosrobin Road, Wrexham 52 Collier
Jones Jabez Morgan Avenue, Rhosddu 43 Collier
Jones John Dan Williams Cottages, Moss 42 Collier
Jones John Richard Mostyn View, Coedpoeth 33 Collier
Jones John Robert Pentre Lane, Llay Collier
Jones Llewellyn Windsor Road, New Broughton 49 Collier
Jones Llewellyn Yew Tree Bungalow, Gresford 40 Collier
Jones Llewellyn Bersham Road, New Broughton 38 Collier
Jones Neville Ffordd Maelor, Maesydre, Wrexham 30 Collier
Jones Richard Henry Bryn Terrace, Ruabon 21 Collier
Jones Richard J. White House Lodge, Brymbo 34 Collier
Jones Robert Trefechan, Penycae 57 Deputy
Jones Robert Hillock Lane, Gresford 49 Collier
Jones Thomas Council Houses, Gresford 55 Collier
Jones Thomas E. Poolmouth Road, Moss Collier
Jones Thomas John Bryndedwydd, Marford Hill 58 Collier
Jones Thomas O. Penllyn, Trevor, Llangollen 59 Collier
Jones William Lorne Street, Rhosddu 51 Collier
Jones William Lloyd Street, Rhosllannerchrugog 21 Collier
Kelsall James Florence Street, Wrexham 30 Collier
Kelsall John Rose Cottage, Common Wood, Holt 37 Collier
Lawrence William Nelson Street, Hightown, Wrexham 43 Collier
Lee John Lee Heol Offa, Coedpoeth 30 Collier
Lee Thomas Heol Offa, Coedpoeth 16 Collier
Lewis David Merlin Street, Johnstown 44 Collier
Lewis David Thomas Middle Road, Coedpoeth 46 Collier
Lewis Jack Cefn y Bedd 48 Rescuer
Lilly Joel Main Road, Rhosrobin 41 Collier
Lloyd Thomas Colliery Road, Rhosddu 55 Collier
Lloyd William Finney Street, Rhosddu 59 Collier
Lloyd William Sidney Pentre Lane, Llay Collier
Lucas John Council Houses, Gwersyllt 59 Collier
Maggs Colin Talwrn House, Talwrn 17 Collier
Mannion Albert Hill Crest, Spring Lodge, Wrexham 29 Collier
Manuel Thomas A. Meadows Lane, Spring Lodge, Wrexham 33 Collier
Martin William Henry Newtown, Gresford 37 Collier
Matthews William V. Hill Street, Penycae 18 Collier
Mathias Samuel Eagle's Place, Moss 42 Rescuer
McKean John Cheshire View, Spring Lodge, Wrexham 30 Collier
Meade William St. John's Road, Wrexham 39 Collier
Mitchell George James Street, Wrexham 23 Collier
Monks Ernest Glanrafon, Bwlchgwyn 23 Collier
Morley Edward Council Houses, Bradley 57 Collier
Morris Alfred High Street, Penycae 20 Collier
Nichols Harry Ashfield Road, Crispin Lane, Wrexham 32 Collier
Nichols John Beast Market, Wrexham 29 Collier
Nichols William Henry Farndon Street, Wrexham 25 Collier
Owens Evan Henry Cunliffe Walk, Garden Village, Wrexham 54 Collier
Palmer Alex Kingstown, Maesydre 20 Collier
Parry Isaac Western View, Wrexham Road, Brymbo 40 Collier
Parry Joseph Western View, Wrexham Road, Brymbo 65 Collier
Parry John E. Pisgah Hill, New Broughton 31 Collier
Parry John Richard Manley Road, Wrexham 21 Collier
Penny Stephen Stansty View, New Rhosrobin 23 Collier
Penny William H. Council Houses, Pandy 32 Collier
Perrin Frank Finney Street, Rhosddu 23 Collier
Peters Henry Pentre Lane, Llay 38 Collier
Phillips George Trevanna Way, Spring Lodge, Wrexham 22 Collier
Phillips Herbert Haig Road, Hightown, Wrexham 30 Collier
Phillips John Gardd Estyn, Garden Village, Wrexham 40 Collier
Pickering J. Sycamore Terrace, Old Rhosrobin 22 Collier
Powell Charles Dale Street, Wrexham 57 Railman
Price Ernest Moss Hill, Moss 27 Collier
Price Samuel Oakfield Terrace, Gresford 37 Collier
Pridding James Oxford Street, Wrexham 32 Collier
Prince Mark Manley Road, Wrexham 59 Collier
Prince William Meadow Lea, Spring Lodge, Wrexham 30 Collier
Pritchard Isiah Woodland View, New Rhosrobin 54 Collier
Pugh Ernest Quarry Rd, Brynteg 49 Collier
Pugh Thomas Vernon Street, Wrexham 54 Collier
Ralphs John Market Street, Wrexham 53 Collier
Rance Thomas High Street, Pentre Broughton 21 Collier
Rees Albert Gatewen Road, New Broughton 56 Collier
Reid Lloyd Bryn Gardden, Rhosllannerchrugog 20 Collier
Roberts Arthur A. Wire Mill Cottage, Bradley 63 Collier
Roberts Edward Bryn Estyn Cottage, Rhosnesni 35 Collier
Roberts Edward C. Council Houses, Gresford 42 Collier
Roberts Ernest Little Penybryn, Abenbury 26 Collier
Roberts Frank Bury Street, Wrexham 26 Collier
Roberts George Glanrafon, Maesydre, Wrexham 28 Repairer
Roberts H. Patison Road, Coedpoeth Collier
Roberts Idris Pumphouse, Highfield, Stansty 16 Collier
Roberts John David Lorne Street, Rhosddu 47 Collier
Roberts John H. Patison Row, Coedpoeth 33 Collier
Roberts Olwyn Hill Street, Penycae 24 Collier
Roberts Percy Bungalow, Llidiart Fanny, Coedpoeth 26 Collier
Roberts Robert off Brook Street, Rhosllannerchrugog 33 Collier
Roberts Robert John Market Street, Wrexham Collier
Roberts Robert Thomas Crispin Lane, Wrexham 57 Collier
Roberts Robert William Forge Row, Southsea 38 Collier
Roberts Thomas James Kendrick Place, Beast Market, Wrexham 19 Collier
Roberts William Princes Street, Wrexham 45 Collier
Roberts William T. Pentre Lane, Llay 40 Collier
Robertson William Spring Road, Rhosddu 41 Collier
Rogers Edward Llewellyn New Houses Lane, Llay 20 Collier
Rogers Grenville Wheatsheaf Lane, Gwersyllt 29 Collier
Ross Harry Nelson Street, Wrexham 34 Collier
Rowlands John Holt Road, Wrexham 36 Collier
Rowland John David Old Cross Foxes, Minera 17 Collier
Salisbury William Victoria Road, Brynteg 48 Collier
Shaw George Ashwood, Wrexham Road, Brynteg 63 Collier
Shone John Gresford 34 Collier
Shone Richard High Street, Gresford 49 Collier
Slawson Arthur Crescent Road, Wrexham 22 Collier
Smith Leonard Bennions Road, Huntroyde, Wrexham 20 Collier
Stevens Richard T. Pisgah Hill, Pentre Broughton 22 Collier
Strange Albert Nelson Street, Wrexham 25 Collier
Statford Stanley Ninth Avenue, Llay 39 Collier
Tarran John Liverpool Road, Buckley 59 Collier
Taylor William Henry Church Street, Holt 53 Collier
Thomas Berwyn Kent Road, Lodge, Brymbo 26 Collier
Thomas John Elias Queen's Terrace, Gwersyllt 29 Collier
Thomas Robert Pant Hill, Rhosllannerchrugog 32 Collier
Thomas Tec Council Houses, Pandy 26 Collier
Thornton John Coronation Cottages, New Broughton 24 Collier
Tittle Edward Smithy Lane, Acton 44 Collier
Trowe Ernest Huntroyde Avenue, Wrexham 41 Collier
Valentine Fred Glan Dwr, Acrefair 24 Collier
Vaughan John Edward Alford Street, Wrexham 28 Collier
White John Chapel Cottages, Gresford 38 Collier
Williams George Gardden Terrace, Summerhill 31 Collier
Williams Harold Osborne Terrace, Claypit Lane, Gresford 37 Collier
Williams Hugh Llewellyn Park Street, Rhosddu 43 Collier
Williams John Cheetham's Lodging Houses, Wrexham 62 Collier
Williams John Dale Street, Wrexham 44 Collier
Williams John Council Houses, Brynteg 66 Collier
Williams John D. Vulcan Cottage, New Road, Southsea 29 Collier
Williams John Thomas Brynffynnon, Brymbo 33 Collier
Williams Morris Pentre Lane, Llay 24 Electrician
Williams Reg Old Rhosrobin 29 Electrician
Williams Thomas Park View Stores, Bradley 57 Collier
Williams William A. Gatewen Road, Pentre Broughton 29 Collier
Wilson John Walter Victoria Terrace, Coedpoeth 32 Collier
Witter Henry The Mount, Gresford 56 Collier
Wynn Edward Bradley Road, Wrexham 68 Collier
Winyard J. New Inn, Cefnybedd 47 Collier
Yemm Morgan James Seventh Avenue, Llay 28 Collier

Christie’s auction

Not worthy of comment in the main article, but perhaps of interesting to passing researchers, might be an auction by Messrs. Christie, Manson & Woods, on Tuesday 2nd October 1934, “of Works Of Art presented by the Exhibitors at The Antique Dealers’ Fair for the benefit of The Mansion House Fund, In aid of dependents of Miners who lost their lives in the Gresford Colliery disaster, which will be sold without reserve”. (My picture 22176.) JDAWiseman (talk) 17:28, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be far more detail about the Disaster Relief Fund(s) at the main article. Not sure why that does not also appear here. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:39, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I’m writing a book on Vintage Port, so have been going through Christie’s catalogues. Thinking of Wikipedia, of this auction I photographed only the title page. Christie’s allows me to post a paper copy to people, but not to send digital. If you need paper — to decide whether to add to article — I very willing to post/mail a paper copy (my contact info). JDAWiseman (talk) 17:46, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That's remarkably thoughtful and generous of you, JD. I'll wait to see what other editors think about it. I guess we might see you (eventually) over at Port_wine#Vintage_port? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:51, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Subsequent to my posts in 2014, Christie’s have told me that I can re-use pictures. Hence small (394×606) and large (1578×2427). JDAWiseman (talk) 13:08, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Gathering the Jewels

The Gathering the Jewels mainpage says this:

"Gathering the Jewels is offline due to essential security maintenance.
We apologise for any problems this may cause.
You can view nearly all the GTJ items on the Peoples Collection website

The link is present on many pages, but without an indication of likely offline duration, it's difficult to know whether it should be replaced or explained in more detail. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:42, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 October 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved back to Gresford disaster. No support for capital D. Nom has just wasted time by not following RM procedures. Andrewa (talk) 05:11, 24 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]


Gresford Mining Disaster → Gresford Disaster – Consistency with capital D in article text. Failed first move will not allow UNDO. Current title is a stop-gap placeholder. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:54, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply
]

I believe that the
WP:MOS would say it should go back to where it was, at Gresford disaster. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:58, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply
]
Happy with all the text being different? What does MoS say about that? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:29, 13 October 2016 (UTC) p.s. London Beer flood? p.p.s but Senghenydd colliery disaster suggests this should be "Gresford colliery disaster"?[reply]
Gresford Colliery is a proper noun, as is Colliery so perhaps that should be changed. J3Mrs (talk) 19:04, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I am mistaken, Senghenydd is the village name, not that of the colliery, so that title is correct, but I still think the article's title should be Gresford Colliery disaster which is where it happened rather than in the village. J3Mrs (talk) 06:49, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Revert to Gresford disaster until/unless someone presents a case for a proper name here. From book search it appears that Gresford disaster is what it is mostly called; much more than including colliery in it. Dicklyon (talk) 02:40, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The original intended move was simply from d to D. Many of the results in your link show "Gresford Disaster". Or is everyone quite happy to see "Gresford disaster" as the article title and "Gresford Disaster" in the opening line? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:28, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article title and the opening line should be the same. Disaster should not be capitalised in either. I have seen the disaster called both the Gresford disaster and Gresford Colliery disaster, Colliery makes it clear where the disaster occurred. Either way no capital D. J3Mrs (talk) 12:11, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • When it's both ways in sources, as here, we default to lowercase per
    MOS:CAPS. But it looks to me like majority lowercase any way. Dicklyon (talk) 21:41, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply
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"Nom made a spelling mistake and was unable to correct it". Please read the history. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:00, 24 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please accept that I did read several article histories... and quite a lot of other stuff to figure out exactly what you had done. (And I think I got it right.)
Please do not move an article to a placeholder, as I have already requested at
technical request
. That's what they are for.
We are all learners here!
WP:creed#15 Andrewa (talk) 16:39, 24 October 2016 (UTC)[reply
]
I have replied at User talk:Martinevans123#Bold or RM but not both please. I had assumed that [1] would be a bit of a giveaway. Except that the log for that change says (quite incorectly) "(No difference)". Martinevans123 (talk) 16:48, 24 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Map

Gresford
Wrexham
CountryWales
Sovereign stateUnited Kingdom
PoliceNorth Wales
FireNorth Wales
AmbulanceWelsh
Wrexham
List of places
UK
Wales
Wrexham
53°05′13″N 2°57′58″W / 53.087°N 2.966°W / 53.087; -2.966

Could there be a map? Perhaps the map in the article about the village of Gresford, but ideally one marking the colliery. And definitely with the inset showing where in Wales. (But I don’t know how to extract the map without all the village-level information.) JDAWiseman (talk) 18:49, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A very good idea, I think. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:32, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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References

An editor has indicated that he needs about 8 citations adding to the main article. There are already 5 different incomplete citations of the official report satisfying 11 references. I would like to help

WP:CITEVAR
I would therefore like to seek consensus to change the established style since:

  1. With multiple references to a single work it is clearer to cite it once, fully, and then permit references to be detailed.
  2. A 200 page online report without original page breaks needs to be differentiated by section, not just chapter.
  3. Changing the style now whilst there are relatively few citations (24, including duplicates) is preferable to trying to sort out the mess later.

I'm happy to take on the work both to change over citation style and to satisfy Howcheng if we can agree this in a reasonable timeframe - could we say by 27 Sept? Martin of Sheffield (talk) 21:51, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good, & it's great to see somone actually asking, for a change. Agree with #1 in principle, but it's not clear what it would look like. #2 certainly right. Johnbod (talk) 00:18, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Something like this: "and far too small to provide adequate ventilation.[1]" and later: "confessed to 'an uneasy feeling that Mr. Bonsall was overridden' on the matter.[2]"

References

  1. ^ Walker, Brass & Jones 1937, chapter 4, section Condition.
  2. ^ Walker, Brass & Jones 1937, chapter 12, section (d).
  • Walker, Sir Henry, CBE LlD (Commissioner); Brass, John, MInstCE MIMinE (Assessor); Jones, Joseph, CBE JP (Assessor) (January 1937), Reports on the causes of and circumstances attending the explosion which occurred at Gresford Colliery, Denbigh on 22nd September, 1934, retrieved 21 September 2018 – via Durham Mining Museum{{citation}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
Oh, you didn't say sfn. I and many others loath it, but it will do the job, if probably put some people off from adding in the future. No objection to your plans. Thanks for clarifying. Johnbod (talk) 14:09, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Several of the references to the main report are vague, I'll now start to chase them down and also to deal with the {{
cn}} issue. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 16:47, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Coordinates

The coordinates as previously give come down in a housing estate a little to the south of the industrial estate. "In the 1980s the site was redeveloped as an industrial estate." made me suspicious, and looking at the 1945 1" OS map a location slightly further North seems correct. I've updated the coordinates accordingly, can anyone confirm this work? Thanks, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 13:51, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's almost exactly right (I remember the mine buildings after closure). Svejk74 (talk) 15:04, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lyrics

Are the lyrics for the folk song "The Gresford Disaster" Roud Folk Song Index No:3089, covered by copyright, even though they were written "anonymously"? Or does that depend on when and by whom they were first published? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:31, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia takes copyright of external material seriously. See:
WP:COPYOTHERS. If there is doubt, it should not be included. The onus is to demonstrate that the material is free of copyright. Feline Hymnic (talk) 13:22, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The song is noted as "trad." on several recordings (eg the Albion Band. Position in the UK is that copyright in cases of unknown authorship lasts for 70 years after the work is 'made', which in this case is assumed to have been c.1935 (see Laidlaw, 1995, "The Gresford Disaster in Popular Memory", Llafur v.6 n.4)Svejk74 (talk) 13:37, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure there was any "Attribution-NonCommercial 2.0 Generic (CC BY-NC 2.0)" back in 1935? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:49, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's basically a typical anonymous broadside ballad, albeit a 20th century example'Svejk74 (talk) 14:55, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Then I'm not sure what these "doubts" about copyright are. It's now 86 years since they were anonymously written. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:14, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, I can't see any doubt here. Svejk74 (talk) 15:34, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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