Talk:History of Venezuela (1999–present)

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Broken references

There are a bunch of broken reference links in this article I can't find the original note text for. It was apparently split off of Hugo Chávez back on October 19 2005, and I did find some reference material there to repair some of the broken links with, but others were still missing. Anyone familiar with the history of splitting and merging on this subject and able to provide clues to track down the rest? Bryan 05:55, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Down to just one broken reference. It's probably one of the Carter Center ones on the main page, but I haven't looked at the contents yet to see which one. Bryan 05:49, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Presidency, why?

Why does this article article exist? Since when is it necessary to distinguish the president as a person from his presidency? Well, maybe Hollywood actor Ronald Reagen, but are there other good examples of this practice? Someone, please explain the meaning of this forking. Medico80 22:56, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't around when the article was split, but it looks to me like it's simply a way of breaking up an overly long article into chronological chunks. This article is about the time period during which Chavez is president, stuff that happened before then is still back in the main article and presumably stuff that happens after he's moved on to other things will go there too. Unfortunately it looks like a lot of material was left behind in the main article in the process, though, so it didn't reduce the size as much as it could have. Bryan 00:56, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Chavez led a bloody coup well before he was a President, so there are issues separate from his Presidency, but if Nelson Mandela can be written about in one article, it would seem that Hugo Chávez could. As far as I have been able to tell, a LOT of Hugo Chavez articles exist because they were spun off of the main article (which is HOPELESSLY too long, biased, suffers from dubious sources, and needs a major red marker), using Summary Style, when it was aiming for featured article status. Rather than ruthlessly getting rid of unnecessary, controversial, or poorly-sourced writing, it looks like it was moved into daughter articles. A lot of what is written in the too-long main Hugo Chávez article needs to be moved over to the Presidency article, so I don't think deleting the Presidency article would be productive -- but everything in all the articles needs to be edited, shortened, and better sourced. I personally believe this was a bad use of Summary Style, but since the main article is hopelessly too long, the daughter articles are needed. Sandy 01:01, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mudslides

Cut this from article:

Subsequent mudslides in 2000 left 3 dead.[1]

Not relevant to the 1999 referendum, it could be moved somewhere else but I think it can be left out JRSP 12:04, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Kriner, Stephanie. (Red Cross, 2000). "Flooding Returns to Venezuela". Retrieved 10 Jun 2006.

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Source

What is the source for this? : "Damningly, it was later revealed that that announcement had been pre-recorded on the morning of the 11th – before the shooting had begun." 201.242.110.159 (talk) 04:20, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I found this sentence to be NPOV and removed it: "...which was effected by management's locking workers out of facilities, changing computer codes so as to disable equipment, and performing other acts of sabotage."

The source for the statement does not explicitly mention any of this. It reads: "INTENSA, the information and technology enterprise that was formed to run electronic operations at Petróleos de Venezuela, was at this time 60 per cent owned by a United States company, Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC), which is "closely linked to the U.S. government", with "former chiefs of staff, ex-CIA agents, and high-level government employees comprising its board of directors." (Golinger, "Machine", p 135.) During the work stoppage, INTENSA refused requests by Petróleos de Venezuela president Ali Rodriguez to provide him the computer access codes so that Petróleos employees could operate the company's machinery. Eventually, Petróleos employees had to enter INTENSA headquarters and seize equipment to reestablish opertations. Source: Golinger, "Machine", pp 135, 6, on INTENSA; and Goliger, "Media", p 100, on the management's activities."

Not to mention that Eva Golinger not just as a source, but as the only source in some cases, is debatable, given her unabashedly apologetic attitude towards Chávez and her possible links to the Venezuelan government. ( http://alekboyd.blogspot.com/2005/04/sins-of-eva-golinger-in-big-apple.html ) 201.242.110.159 (talk) 04:46, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Source added for the pre-recording, and for sabotage (and I'm sure there are more; and note that the source previously given wasn't the footnote itself; the source was given in the footnote, being Golinger's book). Undeleted the statement, but qualified it. Rd232 talk 22:39, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Although the reference links to venezuelanalysis.com, which is generally an illegitimate source, the reference is fine. Ellner is an academic whose work has been published in legitimate academic journals. Venezuelanalysis.com is merely carrying his article.

I moved it here where it belongs. Ohconfucius ¡digame! 14:13, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

POV

For a partial listing of items presented incompletely here, see User:SandyGeorgia/Chavez sources, in particular, User:SandyGeorgia/Chavez sources#.22Coup.22.2C general strike.2C recall referendum.2C Sumate, but also human rights, crime, corruption, economy, foreign policy, and many others. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:07, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Another article comment about a source moved here

The following comment was made in the section After the coup, and refers to the first two sentences in that section:

"The preceding two sentences are at variance with the following source information: "The coup was defeated but Chávez opted not to move against all but the most visible leaders of the conspiracy. The absence of sanctions against the opposition was interpreted as a sign of government weakness."[1]"

Commentary belongs here on the Talk page. RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:33, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ McCaughan, pp 114,15.
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