Talk:iPhone SE (2nd generation)

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CRYSTALBALL

@Locke Cole: I am NOT doing crystalball. Everything in this article is based on the present. The height? Screen protectors labeled specifically for this phone. The cameras? Cases for this phone. The name? Why, the Apple website itself! Everything is based on real facts. The case is, in fact, designed for this iPhone alone. This is not from leakers. This is cold hard facts. I'm not crystalballer. Everything is based on the present. Some facts even come from Apple themselves! This is NOT a crystalball situation. I suggest you read through first and see what this is all about. -◊PRAHLADBalaji 17:15, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Arguments in favour of keeping the article don't belong here. Make them on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/IPhone SE (2020) please! :) --Yamla (talk) 17:17, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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WP:CRYSTALBALL says, we don't report on unannounced products/rumors (5. Wikipedia is not a collection of product announcements and rumors. Although Wikipedia includes up-to-date knowledge about newly revealed products, short articles that consist of only product announcement information are not appropriate. Until such time that more encyclopedic knowledge about the product can be verified, product announcements should be merged to a larger topic (such as an article about the creator(s), a series of products, or a previous product) if applicable.). Even with a product announcement, we still need outside sources AFTER the announcement to provide us encyclopedic sources to make an article with. None of those exist. Also, you may want to make your case at the nomination page, not here. —Locke Cole • t • c 17:20, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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OK then. I will improve this article. -◊PRAHLADBalaji 17:29, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing you can do to satisfy
WP:CRYSTALBALL short of Apple announcing and releasing the product and secondary sources becoming available to support an article. —Locke Cole • t • c 18:19, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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iPhone SE title

Title

iPhone SE (2020) and iPhone SE (2nd generation) have been proposed. Please don't move the article to a different title without discussing it. I don't think the title matters much, but it is likely that Apple's official designation will prevail. —DIYeditor (talk) 01:46, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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The official name is "iPhone SE (2nd Generation)" at https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/ . This is just the most obvious place to find it. There will be other official documents that mention this, so I'll move the page again once the dust has settled. Admanny (talk) 08:05, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Please note that per
WP:COMMONNAME, official names do not take precedent. Most cited media publications refer to it as the 2020 iPhone SE, and "iPhone SE 2020" has 50% more hits on Google than "iPhone SE second generation" and "second generation iPhone SE" combined. --17jiangz1 (talk) 16:45, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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If we were to follow WP:COMMONNAME then all the iPads would all be consolidated in a single page called iPad Pro, Air, mini, or just iPad. That doesn't work. Admanny (talk) 21:37, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GeoffreyT2000, Admanny: Not sure why there have been continued page moves on this article when there is an ongoing discussion about it on the talk page and the title has been disputed. I think I prefer the "2nd generation" but please come to talk page consensus before doing any more moves on this. —DIYeditor (talk) 15:57, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Sorry but I am going off on how Apple put it on their website.
talk) 16:23, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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@Prahlad balaji: 🤡? What are you doing? —DIYeditor (talk) 19:39, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A quick visit to the Apple home page https://www.apple.com as of 4/18/2020 reveals that the official name is the iPhone SE, with the SE stylized in a rounded-corner box, precisely like the original iPhone SE. There is no mention of the words "Second Generation" on the entire page, though it is the second generation, as found elsewhere on the Apple website. This new phone is simply the latest in the series of iPhone SE.

Thus both generations of the iPhone SE should be on one page, just as all seven generations of the iPod Touch are on one page and all six generations of the Ford Explorer are on one page.

The iPhone SE 1st Generation page and 2nd Generation page should both be deleted with their contents consolidated to a single iPhone SE article.146.115.70.68 (talk) 04:38, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Don't merge the articles together. The 2 articles are similar in name only. -◊PRAHLADBalaji 14:18, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 16 April 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not Moved. The question of the common name is not easy to answer, but the editors in this discussion prefer iPhone SE (2nd generation) by a wide margin. Apple doesn't provide much help on the naming, since for them this is just the new 'iPhone SE'. EdJohnston (talk) 01:53, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]


IPhone SE (2nd generation) → iPhone SE (2020) – Move warring. Please use this thread to reach agreement on what the title should be. I have no opinion myself but the war needs to stop. EdJohnston (talk) 19:46, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • iPhone SE (2nd generation) is the name Apple has given it, and that seems like the likely long-term title going forward. —Locke Cole • t • c 19:59, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I second that. -◊PRAHLADBalaji 20:10, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to iPhone SE (2020). This is a repeat of the
    iPad (2017) discussion; official names don't take precedence here. O.N.R. (talk) 21:12, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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    WP:CRYSTALBALL names... —Locke Cole • t • c 19:28, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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    @Old Naval Rooftops: From Talk:IPad (2017)#Requested move 21 March 2017, at least part of the problem with the 2017 iPad was that there was a dispute as to whether it was the 5th or 7th generation, because Apple discontinued the un-decorated "iPad" name after the 4th generation of iPad And Nothing Else, so some considered the first-generation iPad Air to be the successor to the 4th generation iPad, making it a 5th generation iPad and making the iPad Air 2 a 6th generation iPad. Then the iPad Air name was discontinued when the next iPad And Nothing Else came out, so if the iPad And Nothing Else line and the iPad Air line were considered the same line, that would make the 2017 iPad the 7th generation. On the other hand, others followed Apple's labeling of it as a 5th generation iPad, and there didn't seem to be a clear preference on the part of third parties as to whether to call it "5th generation", "7th generation", or 2017. "iPad (2017)" at least avoided the "which generation" issue. There's no such issue with the iPhone SE.
For what it's worth, a quick Google search for "iphone se" "2020" (with those quotes) says there were about 87 hits if you go to the last page of search results and a quick Google search for "second-generation iphone se" (again, with those quotes) says there were about 173 results if you go to the last page of search results.
Guy Harris (talk) 04:48, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • iPhone SE (2nd generation) This is proper, given the way Apple uses it. Admanny (talk) 21:40, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • iPhone SE (2nd generation) - Keep the current title for consistency with
    iPhone SE (first generation). Ghostofakina (talk) 22:16, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Support iPhone SE (2020) per
    iPhone SE (2016) for consistency. feminist Wear a mask to protect everyone 03:10, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Support iPhone SE (2020) for consistency with other Apple device articles with identical names but released in different years (
    iPad (2018), etc.) The original iPhone SE should be moved to another name, probably iPhone SE (2016). ITSQUIETUPTOWN talk • contribs 04:35, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    @
    original research by using a name you'd rather see than the name actually given. —Locke Cole • t • c 19:28, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    @
    WP:COMMONNAME (for example, when you search for it in Google, iPhone SE 2020 yields more results v. iPhone SE 2nd gen). ITSQUIETUPTOWN talk • contribs 04:14, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    @Itsquietuptown: Doing the wrong thing repeatedly does not make it right. —Locke Cole • t • c 05:49, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to iPhone SE (2020) as per
    WP:COMMONNAME, official names do not take precedent — most cited media publications refer to it as the 2020 iPhone SE, and "iPhone SE 2020" has 50% more hits on Google than "iPhone SE second generation" and "second generation iPhone SE" combined. --17jiangz1 (talk) 04:44, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
    ]
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    WP:CRYSTALBALL journalism. They have no bearing on the conversation here. —Locke Cole • t • c 19:28, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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    @Locke Cole: Even then, if you search in another search engine (I used bing) and add a custom time range (april 15 - april 18, to remove pre-announcement articles), the number of results for iPhone SE 2020 still exceeds that of iPhone SE 2nd gen. ITSQUIETUPTOWN talk • contribs 04:26, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @Itsquietuptown: So basically all the CRYSTALBALL sites that didn't have a name had their name stick after the official product launch. That really shouldn't be a way to name articles, now you're just using CRYSTALBALL as a meta source... —Locke Cole • t • c 05:49, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Even if speculative naming has influenced the common name in media, it does not invalidate such a common name. Crystalballing is not applicable as since its already released, any prerelease speculation is a valid part of the product's history. --17jiangz1 (talk) 06:34, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually, it's not released yet. It's only announced. Which is all the more reason to stick to the name the company gave for it, rather than making up our own name or one made up by the media long before the product was ever available or announced... In other words: iPhone SE (2020) is the stale CRYSTALBALL name, as are derivatives such as 2020 iPhone SE. Because of course media outlets without an official name to use are going to try and optimize themselves into search results by using the year as the disambiguation... —Locke Cole • t • c 07:09, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    What I'm sayings is that even if media biases/speculation has affected their usage of the name "2020 iPhone SE" and derivatives, it does not invalidate the fact that it is being used on a more frequent basis. Furthermore, we should not be arguing on the basis of "an official name", as that does not hold much weight when deciding on the article title. --17jiangz1 (talk) 06:54, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @17jiangz1: I mean, it does... we need a very compelling reason to deviate from the name given to a product by its manufacturer. And one where articles and news on the topic are deviating simply to get themselves well positioned within search results emphatically does not meet the threshold to deviate from the name given by Apple to their own product. If we deviate on the basis of those same sources, we are merely contributing to the problem of promoting this neologism that does not exist from the actual product source. —Locke Cole • t • c 08:37, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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    WP:COMMONNAME is a very compelling reason to deviate from the given name. ITSQUIETUPTOWN talk • contribs 05:45, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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    @
    WP:CRITERIA for article names, one of which also includes Precision – The title unambiguously identifies the article's subject and distinguishes it from other subjects. Again, using the year as the specifier is an artificial construction used by news sites to assist with them being found more quickly by readers using sites like Google. It has no bearing on the actual name of the product. If another iPhone SE is released this year for some reason, we will then be in the enviable position of having to justify having convoluted article titles like iPhone SE (2020, April) and iPhone SE (2020, December) or some such nonsense. When the logical path is to use the name the manufacturer has given, one that businesses are using to sell it by, and leave titles like iPhone SE (2020) as fodder for redirects to assist our readers with finding the relevant article under its correct name. —Locke Cole • t • c 07:19, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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    @Locke Cole: The rule Use commonly recognizable names - Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used kind of overrides that rule. Most people will refer to the iPhone SE as the iPhone SE 2020 or the new iPhone SE, not the second generation iPhone SE. ITSQUIETUPTOWN talk • contribs 05:01, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @Itsquietuptown: Again, the year is an artificial name to help articles get search engine hits. In conversation, this device is called the "New iPhone SE". Should that be the title of the article? Should we reward websites that simply append the year to a product name because they're lazy and want to drive search results? I think the answer is no. And that seems to be the consensus here. I'm sorry you feel otherwise. —Locke Cole • t • c 05:07, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    When in common usage after the release as seen in Trends, 2020 iPhone SE is vastly more popular. --17jiangz1 (talk) 05:59, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @17jiangz1: Google Trends is not a valid source: Try this one. With those results in mind, I propose naming the page New iPhone SE since that is clearly the most popular title. Oh... it's not. It's just search results. Which aren't a valid source or reason to name an article a certain way... —Locke Cole • t • c 06:07, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Google Trends may not be the best source in a vacuum, but it is an influencing factor as it represents how most people search for the article/name the device. --17jiangz1 (talk) 06:54, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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    neologism). —Locke Cole • t • c 08:37, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Comment FYI Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 April 16#IPhone SE. —DIYeditor (talk) 22:22, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support one article only for the iPhone SE, which is a single product. The second generation of iPhone SE is an iPhone SE. It's not a new model, it's only a new generation. It is depicted on the Apple website as the iPhone SE (with the SE stylized in a box), just like the first generation. There should be a single article for the single product. There could be breakout articles (named by generation, not by year) identical to the style of the iPod Touch article(s). Ref the mistake of originally mis-naming the iPad Air as the 5th Generation iPad, and calling the 5th generation iPad the 2017. No more making stuff up would be great.146.115.70.68 (talk) 05:14, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Totally disagree with this. The article would be large and they are two entirely distinct products. The new SE is more like an iPhone 8 and the old SE almost an exact copy of an iPhone 5s. There is no way the new and old SE should be in the same article. —DIYeditor (talk) 06:53, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Furthermore the 2nd generation iPhone SE is a successor to both the original iPhone SE and iPhone 8. --17jiangz1 (talk) 10:09, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • iPhone SE (2nd generation) is the official name of the phone, and given that the article about the first generation is titled "iPhone SE (1st generation)", it makes sense to keep the current title so it won't cause confusion. —
    David Jiang DB 22:55, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    The title of the first generation article is actually disputed, please see the Redirects for discussion link I gave above. I don't think that argument holds water. —DIYeditor (talk) 06:51, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Wikipedia relies more on third-party information, and a lot of sources (not just pre-release) state iPhone SE (2020) instead of iPhone SE (second generation). Everyone opposing should consider that. ITSQUIETUPTOWN talk • contribs 07:10, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    They should also consider that it's only been days since the product was announced, and since most of these sites are just rehashing what they were
    speculating prior to the announcement, they're sticking to the incorrect name. —Locke Cole • t • c 18:35, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Apple mentioned in their website that the phone is named "iPhone SE (2nd generation)," and Apple is the company that has made, named, and marketed the phone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.253.118.20 (talk) 10:45, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • iPhone SE (2nd generation) - Whatever Apple designates the new SE as will be the article's name.
    talk) 17:39, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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    I second that, not only because it is the official name, but because the title of this article should be in line with the title of the article called iPhone SE (1st generation). If, for some reason, we decide to move this article to something else, then I suggest that we should also move the iPhone SE (1st generation) article to be in line with the new title. -◊PRAHLADBalaji 20:37, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    The title iPhone SE (1st generation) is brand new and has no authority at all, no more than the one here, I don't know why people keep referencing it. That's why I have linked the redirect for discussion. Both matters have to be decided and if you are going to try to make this a discussion about iPhone SE you will need to notify people there of a requested move here. Also FYI you can't "second" something that has been proposed more than 1 time already. —DIYeditor (talk) 03:58, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I also want to change the title of IPhone SE (2nd generation) too. It will be confusing for other people. Change it to IPhone SE if everybody agrees. Robloxloverandminecraftlover (talk) 12:01, 24 April 2020 (UTC)Robloxloverandminecraftlover[reply]

I wouldn't agree. The 2nd generation/2020 iPhone SE is not the iPhone SE, it's just the current version of the iPhone SE. The first generation/2016 one is also an iPhone SE.
Guy Harris (talk) 17:21, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Can we close this conversation since it has not been discussed for a while --67.174.99.43 (talk) 16:35, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

"IPhone 9 Plus" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect IPhone 9 Plus. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. feminist Wear a mask to protect everyone 03:15, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Line of smartphones

Could the iPhone SE be considered its own line of iPhone? Apple specifically refers to the new iPhone SE as the second-generation. This makes me wonder if iPhone SE has become its own product line. Could we possibly change the generation number to 2nd? NiSaBo (talk) 04:24, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@NiSaBo: No. Apple themselves don't consider the iPhone SE to be its own special lineup, so we shouldn't either. -◊PRAHLADBalaji 20:24, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

iPhone SE title (followup)

Hi all, I just wanted to clear something up about the name of the second generation of the iPhone SE, as a new owner of one.

File:IPhone SE second generation designation.jpg
The designation of the second generation iPhone SE as it appears in Finder.

For those of you who still think that the article should be titled as 'iPhone SE (2020)', the picture next to this text (which is my OWN work) is proof that Apple does, in fact, designate the new iPhone SE as 'iPhone SE (2nd generation)', so retaining the current article name was the right move.

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"iPhone 9" listed at Redirects for discussion

IPhone 9. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 4#iPhone 9 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. I'm notifying you since you edited this redirect a few months ago. Mz7 (talk) 21:42, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Should point releases be added to the "currently released IOS version?"

For example as of right now the iPhone SE's latest official software is ios 14.5.1 not 14.5

talk) 00:27, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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WPA 3 available here in iOS 13

See

https://support.apple.com/de-de/guide/security/sec8a67fa93d/web

Should the XR be added to the related section?

Should the XR be added to the related section as they have the same camera and the Same paint scheme on the sides? Corrib Oil (talk) 17:11, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"iPhone 8 (2nd generation)" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address redirect IPhone 8 (2nd generation) and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 10#iPhone 8 (2nd generation) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. --Hajoon0102 💬 05:32, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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