Talk:Joe Pyne

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The article says it is controversial whether the exchange with Paul krassner occurred. I saw it. I can picture Krassner's smirk with his quick comeback. I have zero doubt that I saw it. I never heard about it after I saw it until today on Wiki. I suppose I cannot cite myself in the article for authority. Please do not respond with references to false memories. I can picture my black and white small TV screen during this episode and was not shocked by it, more a little turned off by both of them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:1384:41D1:503A:A6B2:E666:2C23 (talk) 20:51, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pyne had a regular on his TV show whose main role was to ridicule controversial guests who deserved riducule. Pyne would keep a calm dignified attitude while his assistant would do the nasty work of insulting the guests.

Does anybody remember the name of this assistant? Greensburger 19:50, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I know that Pyne called this guy "Whiffenpoop", but I can't remember his real stage name. He was bald and short and never exhibited any particular affection for Pyne. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rogermx (talk • contribs) 03:49, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It was "Ozzie Whiffletree". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.143.173.178 (talk) 23:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The following blog has the following on Whiffletree: http://www.newsfromme.com/archives/2005_08_05.html

"The best thing about Pyne's TV shows was a local businessman named Ozzie Whiffletree. That, obviously, was not his real name. It was an identity he adopted because he was afraid of reprisals against his family and/or business. He began showing up in Pyne's "dock," where audience members could get up and debate him. Mr. Whiffletree, whom I recall looking like Gavin MacLeod on The Mary Tyler Moore Show, was a Liberal and a good arguer, and he put Pyne in his place a few times, playing Joseph Welch to the host's Joe McCarthy-like rants. Pyne and/or his producers apparently realized it was good television because they made Ozzie a regular on the show, promising to maintain his anonymity. I suspect Pyne came to regret that decision because he was sometimes reduced to stammering insults, and it began to seem like he was trying to make the show run long so there'd be no time for the bald guy. When Pyne's show finally went off the air, I don't think very many people missed him. But a lot of us missed Ozzie Whiffletree." Greensburger (talk) 18:10, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lester Maddox (the Georgia Governor) walked off Pyne's TV show during an interview broadcast, I believe, in November 1968. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.27.111.134 (talk) 01:19, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Explanation needed as to why user "Binksternet" is removing properly sourced information. The editor of the Joe Pyne article has taken the reference I added but removed the appropriate context, so it is now misleading. Donna Halper says the exchange between Zappa and Joe Pyne cannot be confirmed. As a broadcast professional for many years and a professional and published author her opinion is more important that Binksternet's. He took this out without having read her book. Binksternet cannot support removing properly sourced info on this or any other subject. I did read it and I know what she said. Does not reading make someone qualified to be an editor? I doubt it. Read more comments on the talk page of the Joe Pyne article for more details about why this is properly sourced.

Also, need an explanation on the following. He seems to think that a user name Sugar Bear did this editing and is doing a "Ban evasion"??. What is that? I added the above information about Zappa and Pyne. I am not SugarBear and I have absolutely no idea who that person is. Maybe its just a case of mistaken identity but there needs to be an explanation. Different people use the same IP address all the time. It does not confirm or deny identity.

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This information was previously deleted from this page by Binksternet with no explanation. Updated and edited for clarity:

The story about Zappa and Joe Pyne's wooden leg started circulating in the 1980s. I can't remember exactly where I first heard it but was definitely based upon one person's supposed memory (we don't know who) of something that may or may not have been said about 20 years earlier. Totally unreliable because no one has seen the show with Zappa and Pyne since around the time it was broadcast in 1966. There is no way to confirm. Tapes of the show may still exist but it is highly unlikely that it will ever be seen. The equipment to play old 2 inch video tapes barely exists now. The tapes themselves will eventually degrade and not be playable at all. A lot of old audio and video master tapes are already no longer playable. All of the references to this story are second or third hand at best. Bill Press's book was published in 2010 and does not cite a source.

I logged into Internet Archive and read the section of Donna Halper's book that talks about this story. Her book was published in 2010. Here is what she says:

"Because Joe Pyne was known for being rude and confrontational with guests, there are stories about the few guests who got the better of him. For example, there is a much-quoted story about his losing a verbal duel with rock star Frank Zappa. Pyne, a supporter of the Vietnam War, had an intense dislike for “hippies,” especially men with long hair. He immediately insulted Zappa by saying, “So I guess your long hair makes you a woman.” Zappa allegedly responded, “So I guess your wooden leg makes you a table.” The difficulty is that although the story has been repeated on the Internet and in magazines, it has never been verified as authentic."

So the person who added this reference to the Wiki article actually took it out of context. Halper confirms that the authenticity of the story is dubious at best and yet the article indicates otherwise.24.143.109.40 (talk) 05:56, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]