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Hi @Tyronqe7:, I've noticed that you've changed the title of the article. The reason the article is named Kelantanese Malay people specifically, as there can also be Kelantanese Chinese people, etc. For example, there is Malaysian Chinese and Penangite Chinese article. Please discuss in the talk page before making a drastic change such as this. Thank you. -Jeblat (talk) 18:10, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,Jeblat,i dont understand why you should Word Malay in distinct ethnic group such as Kelantanese,Trengganurian or Bruneian. when there are certain ethnic groups such as Banajarese or Betawian can be separate ethnic. look at Mongolian and Mayan. in despite contain many different tribe, but never attach with their majority group names. thus, these some group can be separate form ethnicity in spite of similarity to larger group.so return to point, Kelantanese and Trengannurians supposed to be distinct ethnic in respectively state. in term, linguistically,culturally,ethnically. these 3 elements what is defined separated ethnicity.i could not agree your action. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyronqe7 (talk • contribs) 07:31, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Tyronqe7:. Thanks for your response. Please include a ":" (and additional ":" for the subsequent reply, eg. "::") in your first paragraph as a reply under the previous reply, so that others may be able to follow through the discussion. Also, do remember to sign in your post at the end of your reply with the "~~~~" button below the text box, so that others may know who's responding to who.

Alright, you're making my point exactly. I'll try to address to each of your points as simple as possible. "why you should Word Malay in distinct ethnic group such as Kelantanese,Trengganurian or Bruneian. when there are certain ethnic groups such as Banajarese or Betawian can be separate ethnic." The reason being, the article is not referring to other ethnic groups residing in Terengganu and Kelantan, eg. Terengganuan Banjarese people, Terrengganuan Chinese people, Terengganuan Indian people, Terengganuan Bateq people or Terengganuan Semaq Beri people and so on. But the focus of the article is on the Terengganuan Malay people. If you wish to have an article to cover those areas that you've mentioned and feel that there are sufficient scholarly sources to support them, eg. "Terengganuan Banjarese people", you may request for it to be created at the Portal:Malaysia.

"look at Mongolian and Mayan" Ok, Mayan or Maya peoples refers to a groups of indigenous people. There is no Mayan state in existence. Mongolian refers to people who holds Mongolia citizenship or whose nationality is of Mongolia. For example, a Han Chinese person (ethnicity) may hold a Mongolian citizenship (nationality). Mongols on the other hand refers to the ethnic people indigenous to Mongolia (the country) and Inner Mongolia province of China.

"thus, these some group can be separate form ethnicity in spite of similarity to larger group.so return to point, Kelantanese and Trengannurians supposed to be distinct ethnic in respectively state." Therefore, you're returning to my first point again. If you intend to focus on Terengganuan people and Kelantanese people on the basis of the statehood (people who are born or residing in the state irregardless of their ethnicity), you may contribute at Terengganu#Demographics and Kelantan#Demographics. It covers all the scope of different ethnicity of the state under that section.

"so return to point, Kelantanese and Trengannurians supposed to be distinct ethnic in respectively state. in term, linguistically,culturally,ethnically. these 3 elements what is defined separated ethnicity." I think you're confusing the state and the ethnicity of the people as the same thing. Both this article and

Terengganuan Malay people as well as other Malay people articles in relation to their geographical state, focuses on one ethnicity that originates from the respective state. Another same example as the is the Penangite Chinese article, which refers to the Malaysian Chinese people residing in the Penang state and with a distinct language unique to them, the Penang Hokkien. Same case goes for any of the Malaysian Malay

people that originates from their respective states; distinct and unique from other neighbouring ethnicity living together with them and from other Malay people in other states as well.

The issue here is the definition. Are you referring to people that originates/residing/born in the state, or a specific ethnicity that originates from the state. A Kelantanese Malay man may be living in Johor, so would he referred to as a Kelantanese Malay man or a Johorean Malay man? He may be living in Johor for a long time however he's still a Kelantanese Malay man (ethnicity) but a Johorean (state). Just like how a Chinese, Indian or Orang Asli living in Johor would regard themselves as Johorean (state) nonetheless.

If you're going to reply, please reply below by starting with ":::". Once you're done with your reply, don't forget to end with the "~~~~" button below. Only then click "Publish changes". -Jeblat (talk) 12:17, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]