Talk:List of big-game hunters

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Additional inclusions

I ask that anyone adding any other people to this list respect several things:

1. That people included are largely or predominantly known for their big game hunting, not just a couple of hunting trips.
2. That a short biography with emphasis on that person's hunting career be included, not just a link.
3. That the entry be reliably sourced.
4. That there only be one entry per person, with a determination made by the contributor as to which continent is the most appropriate.

Below is a preliminary list of additional people I have come across during the writing of this list for possible later inclusion which I hope to add in time and also invite others to do so, I am sure there are omissions.

Africa

Asia

  • The Honorable James William Best (1882–1960)
  • Captain John Henry Brandt (1927–2013)
  • Douglas Hamilton (1818–1892)
  • Sir Henry Ramsay (1816–1893)
  • Lieutenant Colonel Charles Hugh Stockley (1882–1955)

North America

Kind regards,

talk) 23:02, 3 December 2017 (UTC).[reply
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Hello BobQwerty22, unfortunately I cannot find any
secondary sources for Cliff Walker describing him as a big-game hunter of renown. Cavalryman (talk) 22:06, 26 November 2020 (UTC).[reply
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Requested move 30 March 2018

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Not moved. There is a clear absence of consensus for this move, and a well-argued presumption that "list of" articles collecting people with a specific characteristic will inherently be limited to notable people sharing that characteristic. The addition of a hyphen as proposed by

No such user, however, is done as sufficiently supported and uncontroversial. bd2412 T 13:29, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply
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This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:15, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - unnecessary wordiness against
    WP:LISTNAME. Obviously, the list should only include people which have coverage elsewhere on Wikipedia, so the "famous" part is assumed. All pages with titles beginning with List of famous shows a lot of redirects, but none are actual titles, demonstrating that this is not a practice we ever use on Wikipedia. -- Netoholic @ 13:00, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Internal contradiction

The lede states that this article lists people "who gained fame largely or solely because of their big-game hunting exploits". However, the list includes people such as

Louis XV of France, Ernest Hemingway and Theodore Roosevelt, who, while known for being big-game hunters, likely gained fame for reasons independent of this activity. I suggest amending the lede to indicate that the list includes some people who gained fame for other reasons, but were also widely known for big-game hunting. bd2412 T 13:37, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Holt Collier's Mississippi war service

Bthayesesq, do you have a source for this edit? Because according to Paul Schullery, Holt Collier was "the only black man serving in the Confederate Army from the state of Mississippi".[1] Schullery himself cites the Mississippi Department of Archives and History, his endnote reading: 

Laura D.S. Harrell, Reasearch Assistant, State of Mississippi Department of Archives and History, letter to Major Robert Greene, U.S. Army, Washington, D.C., March 20, 1970. The letter says, in part:
"The only Negro for whom we have evidence of service in the Confederate States Army is Holt Collier.  Enclosed are a letter attesting to the fact and a copy of his pension application.  Although we do not have an official record of his service, there seems to be no doubt of it".[2]

Kind regards,

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References

  1. ISBN 0-8117-0209-X
    , p 209.
  2. ^ ibid, p 234.

Black Confederates

Aside from the mountain of scholarly works in recent years on the subject, I can personally attest to the fact that “old Wash” (Washington) was a black man who served in the Confederate Army along with my lineal ancestors as attested in Manly Wade Wellman’s book, “Rebel Boast” (1956), Owl Publications, Inc. (Library of Congress No.: 56-10520). This book used the handwritten journals of Capt. Cary Whitaker as primary source material which are maintained in the archives of the Wilson Library at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and which I have personally researched and reviewed. Bthayesesq (talk) 03:29, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Black Confederate references

https://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/Black_Confederates

http://mshistorynow.mdah.state.ms.us/articles/289/black-confederate-pensioners-after-the-civil-war

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Louisiana_Native_Guard_(CSA)

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1305763.Black_Confederates 

Bthayesesq (talk) 03:39, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Holy Collier biography

The definitive work and most authoritative source on the life of Holt Collier is Minor Buchanan’s “HOLT COLLIER: His Life, His Roosevelt Hunts, and The Origin of the Teddy Bear” (Centennial Press, August 1, 2002) and no where in this work does it make the preposterous claim that “Holt Collier was the only black man in the Confederate Army.” Since this would be a fairly significant detail to include about one’s life, the omission is telling. This negative inference, coupled with the other positive sources cited earlier, is more than enough to justify the previous edit I made. Bthayesesq (talk) 03:48, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello
talk) 06:14, 1 February 2019 (UTC).[reply
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Good morning, Cavalryman. I am not a dedicated Wiki editor but more of an end-user -- however, when I see something factually incorrect, I take the time to correct it. I'm not sure what your military history background or forte is, but mine is the American Civil War. Of course, I am also a former Cavalryman myself and a current MAJ in the US Army Reserve. Regardless, the statement "he was the only black man to serve in the Confederate Army from Mississippi..." is absolutely untrue. Your only citation for this monumental, extremely broad assertion is a reference to a 1970 letter from an archivist in the Mississippi Department of Archives and History which states, "The only Negro for whom we have evidence of service in the Confederate States Army is Holt Collier. Enclosed are a letter attesting to the fact and a copy of his pension application. Although we do not have an official record of his service, there seems to be no doubt of it". As a lawyer, I can tell you that this is certainly not definitive nor a conclusive statement. On top of that, I have already provided you a much more recently published, scholarly article from the Mississippi Department of Archives and History documenting numerous other Black Confederate soldiers from Mississippi. Please restore my previous edit as I, believe, it maintains the integrity of the article while adhering closest to the truth of the matter asserted. Alternatively, anything along the lines of "one of the few to serve" and/or "to serve as an active combatant" are fine, too, and avoid the problem of over-generalization coupled with a lack of context (the article is, after all, about Big Game Hunters). Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bthayesesq (talk • contribs) 15:59, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello
talk) 19:51, 1 March 2019 (UTC).[reply
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Fred Green

Hello @Hayesstw: do you have any references for Fred Green? His article is particularly unhelpful. The only potential reference I can find is this snippet view article in Google books, and I cannot read it to confirm what it says. Cavalryman (talk) 03:52, 25 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]

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