Talk:Macauley Island

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Reviewer: Ealdgyth (talk · contribs) 13:38, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, this is outside my usual comfort zone... I'll get to this in the next few days. Ealdgyth (talk) 13:38, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Woop, that was quick. I'll get a better lead in ASAP, might take a day or so. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 13:59, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A better lead is now in. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:25, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (

   lists

   ):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (

   reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism

   ):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

• Lead:
  • "subaqueous" wouldn't "underwater" be more understandable and less jargony for the lead?
    • Yes, so done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The island is part of a protected area." but the geography section says "the islands are within the Kermadec Islands Marine Preserve and the Kermadec Benthic Protected Area" which would be two protected areas?
    • I think that Benthic does not automatically include the emergent landmasses. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Geography:
  • "The volcano rises from a depth" I thought we were talking about an island? which volcano - one on the island or ??
    • The island is a bit of the volcano. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • link or explanation for "lineaments"?
  • Linked. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Macauley Island:
  • "from an average elevation of about 100 square metres" heights aren't usually in square metres?
    • Yeah, seems like a typo. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • ROFL... nothing change here but "45 metres (148 ft) deep Grand Canyon" as someone who's seen the Grand Canyon in Arizona... ROFL...
    • You know, I was thinking the same! Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • a quick explanation of who H.D.M. Haszard was that he got the little rock/island named for him?
    • Well, my Google-fu failed me completely on this guy. But found a link. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Geology:
  • "24 kilometres (15 mi) [10] west-northwest of Macauley Island lies" we don't start sentences with numerals - you'll need to rephrase this somehow...
    • Attempted to spell this out. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Composition:
  • "Most of the rocks have a basaltic composition" rocks where? On the island? In the submarine volcanic zone? We were last talking about the underwater volcanoes so it's a bit confusing...
    • Specified. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I mostly followed along until "with the exception of that Macauley Island rocks have a largely uniform composition" ... we've just discusses all sorts of strange things that make up the rocks and it's largely uniform? Layperson is going to be "WTF?" here
    • Is it clearer now. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Climate:
  • "The climate of Macauley Island is expected to resemble that of Raoul Island" expected? Expected implies that ... no one has actually been there to experience it. I suspect you mean "The climate of Macauley Island is generally resembles that of Raoul Island"?
    • The implication is right - we don't have weather records so scientists guess it's similar to Raoul. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there a "type" of climate - like "continental" or "subtropical"?
    • Yes. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Eruption history:
  • Do we have dates for the various eruptions we discuss below? I'm ... not seeing any. I would expect them to be given if known, even if just estimates
    • No, we don't have dates except for the Sandy Bay Tephra and even there sources disagree. Trust me, the art of telling how a rock was emplaced is a totally different one from the art of telling when a rock was emplaced. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Several 130,000, over 40,000 years and 30,000 years old tephra layers identified in marine cores around Macauley Island may originate from eruptions there." This one is ... very confusing at first. Can we reword it so that we start with something like "Tephra layers dating to ..." so that the subject is clear?
    • Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and all the rocks appear to have been emplaced above sea level" I have no idea what this means - I'd normally expect "emplaced" to be human activity but it's clear from context this isn't the case so... the reader who isn't a specialist is utterly confused.
    • I think anthropomorphism will can help there-a volcano puts rocks into places. I am unkeen of using other words because they imply things that aren't necessarily expressed in the source. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "during a sea level lowstand" link/expanation for "lowstand"?
    • Recast this one. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "numerous blebs" link/expanation for "blebs"?
    • Explained. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Pre-Sandy:
  • "they reack total thicknesses" did you mean "reach" or is this some jargon that needs a link?
    • Typo, fixed. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Sandy Bay eruption:
  • "Caldera collapse and collapses of caldera flanks may produce tsunamis which may have" suggest "Caldera collapse and collapses of caldera flanks perhaps produced tsunamis which may have"
    • Redone. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Historical eruptions:
  • "There is evidence that a lake of molten sulfur once filled the Macauley Cone crater[145] and left sulfur deposits with thicknesses exceeding 1 metre (3 ft 3 in).[" suggest moving this sentence to the end of the paragraph, as it intrudes into a bunch of information on the vents/waters. Or move it to the second sentence of this paragraph.
    • Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Do check my copyedits to make sure I didn't inadvertantly change meaning.

  Not seeing anything problematic here. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• I randomly googled three phrases and only turned up Wikipedia mirrors. Earwig's tool shows no sign of copyright violation - everything it's flagging up is the long article titles that scientific papers end up with....

I've put the article on hold for seven days to allow folks to address the issues I've brought up. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, or here with any concerns, and let me know one of those places when the issues have been addressed. If I may suggest that you strike out, check mark, or otherwise mark the items I've detailed, that will make it possible for me to see what's been addressed, and you can keep track of what's been done and what still needs to be worked on. Ealdgyth (talk) 14:46, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All these look good. I won't certify that the prose is up to FA standards, but it's readable and understandable, which is what GA wants. Passing this now. Ealdgyth (talk) 15:52, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]