Talk:Salome (disciple)

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It seems there is a little too much sympathy given to the apochryphal forgeries of early Christianity in this article. Clean it up, someone! Tix 23:39, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

As I'm sure you've noticed, but there are special tags to place on pages to indicate things like bias (or sympathies) in articles. There are complete lists at

Wikipedia:Template messages/Disputes. You should also know that followers of apochryphal Christian scriptures are a strong element on Wikipedia. Any edits to this page will have to be done in cooperation with them. -Acjelen 01:00, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply

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If anyone doubts whether assertions of violation of "POV" are code terms for "Not my point-of-view", the POV label has been applied here by User:Tom Peters "because|This article elaborates on apocryphical writings and mostly ignores the canonical tradition". Let's have some "canonical" tradition for this article, and let us keep in mind that Wikipedia is not an approved organ of the Roman Church. --Wetman 15:54, 21 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

[[[CHEESEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE In [Gospel of Matthew|Matthew] Is that supposed to be normal, or does somebody need to clean that up? I'm just bringing that up because whoever did that needs to be taken behind the woodshed (given a "talking to"). 71.210.96.162 23:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to clean this up, maybe it's more clear now. Rwflammang 01:11, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't salvage the phrase "leaving Salome unrelated to Jesus" at the end of the paragraph on the gospel of John; It's a non-sequitur as far as I can see. Perhaps the original editor was thinking of something he did not write? Rwflammang 01:11, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What does this sentence in the middle of the paragraph on John have to do with Salome? Or with John for that matter? Let's move it.

"Mary the mother of James and Joses" mentioned in Matthew may be identified with Mary, the mother of Jesus, backed up by an earlier passage in Mark which names a James and a Joses (or Joseph) as being among Jesus' brothers.

"In 15:40, we read: "And there were also women looking on afar off: among whom was

Mary Magdalen, and Mary the Mother of James the Less and of Joseph, and Salome." This is a falsified quote. An interpretation presented as text. What else is wrong? --Wetman 06:29, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply

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I don't understand your comment about a falsified quote. What does Mark 15:40 really say? That quote looks accurate to me. Rwflammang 14:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Salome appears briefly in Mark, which is believed to be the earliest Gospel. Then her name is not even mentioned in Matthew, Luke, or John. Later, in the apocryphal literature, she is represented sometimes as Jesus' most faithful disciple or the woman who tried to tempt him. She must have been a prominent heresiarch, a major heretic and the leader of a heretical sect, which is why Matthew, Luke and John suppress her name. Saint or Heretic? Great Leader or Temptress? Or All of the Above? Next: The Salome Code.Das Baz 15:31, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am wondering if anyone has sources that identify that this Salome and Salome, daughter of Herodias are different people. I am not disputing this fact, I just think that that information should be properly sourced and integrated into the article, rather than simply given a passing mention in the redirect.

--trlkly 06:40, 16 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Salome the disciple at the foot of the cross of Jesus was a grown woman, the mother (perhaps) of James and John, grown men and followers of Jesus. The daughter of Herod was a young girl at the time of Jesus' ministry. It is unlikely that James and John were both grandsons of Herod and disciples of Jesus. There is no reason to suppose that the woman is the same as the girl. Rwflammang 03:04, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, we can not even be sure that the names were the same, since "Salome" can be either Shulamith or Shlomzion. Das Baz, aka Erudil 19:55, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes - this is an issue that could be raised at many a disam page - How do you know they aren't the same person? Perhaps a new tag is needed? Johnbod (talk) 00:36, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And the mother of James and John? Sorry, this "fact" just does NOT appear in any of the Gospels, it is an extremely thin inference that we simply are not allowed to make at this late date. I am removing. If someone puts it back, you MUST SOURCE. (Knowing already that there are no such sources.) 173.20.132.128 (talk) 07:12, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I read somewhere she settles in

Apparently she plays a large role in the Gospel of the Twelve Apostles. (Epistula Apostolorum? Gospel of the Twelve? Rwflammang (talk) 14:43, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

May want to discuss her role in iconography some more, too. Rwflammang (talk) 14:50, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I do not think it is appropriate to state that Salome is the same as the mother of the sons of Zebedee as an objective fact (as was done on the article before). I instead wrote "She might be the same person as the wife of Zebedee" to make it clear that there is some dispute about this identification. On that note, I wonder if it would be appropriate to add another section to the article discussing the case for and against the link between Salome and the wife of Zebedee. Artemzista (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:00, 15 January 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Not a language expert, but even I know that the Arabic "Salome" is cognate to Hebrew "Shalom". Either Salome's name is from Hebrew "Shalom" (and that would be highly relevant), or the mention of the Arabic and Aramaic is irrelevant and inaccurate. I'm not qualified to assess which. --2602:30A:2EA0:D9F0:F145:1DBC:D2FC:F6BD (talk) 18:11, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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