Talk:Stray (video game)

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Commented out image

Why was the image commented out when this was moved into draft? AllenY99 (talk) 03:12, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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@Rhain:Ah I see, thanks. I'll put a note on the image to prevent its deletion on the assumption that this article will get out of draft soonish. AllenY99 (talk) 20:24, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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restored), but it needs to be deleted for now. – Rhain ☔ 06:56, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 09:34, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Kowloon Walled City
Kowloon Walled City

5x expanded by Rhain (talk). Self-nominated at 11:41, 22 July 2022 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Expanded 5x the day before the nom; long enough; article seems well-sourced and neutral. Earwig flags potential copyvio but the website in question is copied from Wikipedia, rather than the other way around [1]; no other areas of concern. QPQ done. Image is fine visually at this size, and under a free licence. No concerns with any of the hooks but my preference is ALT3, followed by ALT0; will leave choice up to promotor. Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 02:07, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Undue coverage

I'm wondering if we are giving

WP:UNDUE coverage of the criticism of this game, it seems over-represented to me given the game's generally positive reception and ratings. EnPassant♟♙ (talk) 22:30, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply
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@EnPassant: I'm clearly biased since I wrote the section, but I couldn't disagree more: the first Reception paragraph is pure praise, the second and third list twice as many positive points as negative, the fourth and fifth are entirely positive, and the last paragraph is fairly mixed (as were the reviews). If you have specific examples of undue weight, please feel free to share. – Rhain ☔ 00:54, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I had a second look and yeah, maybe you're right. Nevermind. Seems fine. EnPassant♟♙ (talk) 00:02, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What kind of people may mean this game isn’t purr-fect ? 2A02:2788:228:93D:65F9:E41D:E623:4C7 (talk) 13:35, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Meow. :) EnPassant♟♙ (talk) 23:36, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nicolas Carthelier?

Someone named Nicolas Carthelier is, at least legally, the president of BlueTwelve. Some sources (albeit with questionable reliability) claim this person to be the one behind the "Koola" pseudonym. Carthelier formerly worked at Ubisoft Montpellier, whereas "Colas Koola" is only credited on Stray. Is Carthelier mentioned in any reliable sources in connection with this game or the studio? IceWelder [✉] 22:07, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@IceWelder: No reliable sources mention Carthelier, though I'm certain that they are Colas Koola—especially considering the spelling of their name, Nicolas. In any case, they are credited as Koola, so I think that's the name that we should use, regardless of their legal name—even if we (or reliable sources) do manage to make that connection. – Rhain ☔ 23:24, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It seems like eventually some source (maybe in French) will cover this and at that time, the connection should be mentioned. EnPassant♟♙ (talk) 02:34, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I doubt anyone will reliably report on this, since the developers seem pretty secretive about their real names. In any case, for privacy reasons, I see no reason for us to use their full name until they do. – Rhain ☔ 07:08, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: TheJoebro64 (talk · contribs) 20:59, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Haven't done a GA review in a while. Should have a full review up within the next few days. JOEBRO64 20:59, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And here... we... go.

And that's all I have to say. Placing the review on hold. Sorry for the wait @Rhain—I think you've done a fine job with this article and I'm looking forward to a second read. JOEBRO64 12:52, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review, @
he/him) 06:26, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Looks good. Passing JOEBRO64 15:32, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

User voted awards

So, apparently user voted awards by the public are not allowed in Wikipedia? I am referring to the

Steam Awards, which got edited out after I included them. Based on that, the Golden Joystick Awards would have to be excluded as well then, since they are publicly voted on GamesRadar (or at least the one that is listed, Playstation Game of the Year.[2]https://www.gamesradar.com/goldenjoystickawards/

If anyone can tell me where I can read up on the rules on public voted awards, please let me know. This is new to me. Dionysos1993 (talk) 23:38, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I presume the guideline being referenced is
he/him) 23:49, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Thanks for claryfing quickly. I did not notice anything in
WP:VG/AWARDS that would lead to excluding it. Dionysos1993 (talk) 23:58, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Recipient(s) and nominee(s)

While we're talking about the awards category anyway, I'd like to remove this column, which just says "Stray" over and over. It seems superfluous to me to mention that these awards were given to the video game that the article is about. No other video game article seems to format its awards like this, either. ReneeWrites (talk) 00:51, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It may seem odd right now, but not all awards are given to the game—the
he/him) 01:02, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Not every game that was awarded a D.I.C.E. award formats the award column like that, though. See Celeste, Hades, Ghost of Tsushima. Having this column isn't future-proofing so much as it's premature. Once the column contains information that's not just the title of the game it makes more sense to me to have it be added. ReneeWrites (talk) 01:22, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Of course—there are plenty of inconsistencies between articles—but I'd much prefer to follow the examples set by the featured lists (which is also the standard of
he/him) 01:11, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply
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See
WP:CRYSTALBALL: The column can always be added back if/when something other than the game as a whole is nominated—we shouldn't accommodate potential new information, we should work with what currently exists. DecafPotato (talk) 03:55, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply
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he/him) 05:06, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply
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@Rhain, since it'll almost certainly be back in two or three weeks is CRYSTALLBALL-y: it's essentially saying that "we will have to use it eventually", even when that's not confirmed. The featured lists are an apples-to-oranges comparison—to put it simply, there are things that go in those columns that warrants their existence, whereas removing the column in Stray loses literally zero information. DecafPotato (talk) 03:01, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's a little predictive, sure, but certainly not
he/him) 08:09, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply
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To be clear, I’m perfectly fine adding back the column if it gets an award not to the game. We don’t need to predict anything—we can remove it now and revert the edit if/when it has a use in the future in like, five seconds. DecafPotato (talk) 19:13, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
DICE nominations are out [3] and none of Stray's are for anything but the game. Thus, I've removed the column. DecafPotato (talk) 20:38, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not quite true, so I've reverted and corrected. –
he/him) 00:00, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply
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This is not consistent with how it's done on other video game articles that mention the DICE awards. The three articles you're pointed to as examples aren't consistent with Stray's, either, they're stand-alone articles for the awards themselves. I'm with DecafPotato on this, and reverted the revert. ReneeWrites (talk) 12:55, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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he/him) 13:14, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply
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To be clear, my stance is that I do not object to the inclusion of a "recipients" column, so long is there is information to be put in it other than the implied recipient (the game as a whole), and all examples that you have cited meet that criteria. For Stray, however, this column provides no new information to the reader (as mentioned above, it is implied that awards are going to the game as a whole unless something else is specified), and we shouldn't include the column even if
it's virtually guaranteed that those awards will be given to it. DecafPotato (talk) 03:33, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply
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he/him) 03:39, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The IGN source provided does not reflect this information, nor does the official website, which just lists developers that worked in the relevant area of the game rather than actually nominating them, as the nomination is still directed towards the game as a whole (for an example of a nomination for something other than the game as a whole, see the text indicating Aloy for Horizon Forbidden West in both the official website and the IGN source. DecafPotato (talk) 03:48, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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@Rhain, the article for the 2022 Game Awards also shows key people and the developer/publisher of the game; it has no indication on who is designated as the recipient to the award. DecafPotato (talk) 05:26, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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he/him) 05:39, 14 January 2023 (UTC) this is in my watchlist; you don't need to ping me[reply
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The "Best Score and Music" category of The Game Awards names the game's composers. And the official website of the D.I.C.E. Awards lists the game itself as the recipeint of awards, and the applicable sub-aspect (like the character in "best character" awards are listed with the same weight as the game itself, marking an equal recepient, rather than a smaller-sized list of select cast members. DecafPotato (talk) 06:34, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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he/him) 07:00, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply
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NAVGTR Awards nominations

My edit on NAVGTR Awards was reverted and I am surprised that they apparently are not notable per

WP:VG/Awards. The Academy's awards are given out since over 20 years. It may not have a wikipedia article yet but it is used in about 300 articles on here. Why should we not include them? Just because of not having an article? Vestigium Leonis (talk) 00:06, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Correct. Per
he/him) 11:01, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Rating

would it be helpful to include the rating? Blitzfan51 (talk) 17:14, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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he/him) 22:53, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
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yes, the age classification. Blitzfan51 (talk) 01:16, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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he/him) 02:42, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Ok, Thanks. :) Blitzfan51 (talk) 12:17, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Image map

The article currently contains an image map with a photograph of some of the developers at the GDCA, but it doesn't work in its current state. Clicking on the image links to BlueTwelve Studio, which is currently a redirect to Stray. Is it better to change it to a regular image and put in the description from left to right who the people in the image are? ReneeWrites (talk) 11:22, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It should work as intended: pointing (not clicking) identifies the person. My concern with listing names in the caption is the length—it increases it fourfold. –
he/him) 01:24, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
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