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Section sizes Section size for Transgender history (65 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 4,042 4,042 Historiography 4,732 4,732 Africa 49 16,041 Ancient Egypt 1,426 1,426 North Africa 1,933 1,933 West Africa 1,297 1,297 East Africa 5,983 5,983 Southern Africa 24 5,353 Traditional Bantu third genders 1,612 1,612 Botswana 1,485 1,485 South Africa 2,232 2,232 Americas 16 62,558 North America 22 46,484 Early history 6,242 6,242 Canada 7,472 7,472 Haiti 4,547 4,547 Mexico 5,648 5,648 United States 22,553 22,553 South America 23 16,058 Argentina 246 246 Bolivia 557 557 Brazil 5,986 5,986 Chile 5,181 5,181 Colombia 954 954 Peru 1,554 1,554 Uruguay 1,557 1,557 Asia 11 32,598 West Asia (the Middle East) 156 7,954 Arabian peninsula 1,624 1,624 Iran 2,259 2,259 Israel and Palestine 2,756 2,756 Ottoman Empire 1,159 1,159 East Asia 18 8,154 China 5,025 5,025 Japan 3,111 3,111 South and Southeast Asia 33 16,479 Cambodia 487 487 Indian subcontinent 6,807 6,807 Indonesia 2,382 2,382 Philippines 2,718 2,718 Thailand 4,052 4,052 Europe 13 65,595 Earliest history 3,349 3,349 Ancient Greece, Ancient Rome, and Byzantium 9,306 9,306 Early Scandinavia, Viking-era Norse 2,913 2,913 Middle Ages 8,730 14,858 Medieval Christian church 6,128 6,128 Balkans 2,145 2,145 Belgium 988 988 Denmark 2,824 2,824 France 4,906 4,906 Germany 7,173 7,173 Italy 2,405 2,405 Russia 1,971 2,331 Itelmens of Siberia 360 360 Soviet Union 5,041 5,041 Spain 2,409 2,409 Turkey 1,140 1,140 United Kingdom 3,794 3,794 Oceania 14 5,903 Australia 1,242 1,242 New Zealand, the Cook Islands, Niue 1,518 1,518 Samoa, Tonga, Fiji and Tahiti 3,129 3,129 See also 503 503 References 745 745 Total 192,717 192,717

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The original version of the article was created for the most part by taking portions of text from

• from Hijra (South Asia) (version 725677002) for the section on ancient Asia.
• from Magnus Hirschfeld (724927442)for the title of his 1910 book in the Germany section.
• from
  Chevalier d'Eon
  (723122921) for the section on France.
• from
  Transgender in China
  (723673135) for the section on China.
• from Gender identities in Thailand (708833883) for the section on Thailand.

Mathglot (talk) 02:18, 21 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The article reads In ancient

Ahhh, actually i thought there was a vandalism, that's why i restored the version. Sorry for inconvenience. this is genuine mistake! Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 13:56, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's alright! I'll rewrite it pending input from Mathglot. ꧁Zanahary⁠꧂ 13:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @Zanahary, cheers and happy editing! Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 13:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I've removed it, since I can't find any source. But if anyone can produce one, please add the content! ꧁Zanahary⁠꧂ 14:01, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mathglot It looks like you wrote this originally, before an IP in 2017 changed "pretending to give birth" to "performing the act of giving birth". Is this accurate? If so, do you have a source to cite (and from which we can rewrite this prose so it doesn't suggest that ancient Assyrian transgender sex workers gave birth)? ꧁Zanahary⁠꧂ 13:56, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I accept my mistake! there was a genuine mistake. Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 13:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's okay, now I'm just asking the apparent original author of that section if they know the source from which they got that information. ꧁Zanahary⁠꧂ 14:03, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]