Talk:Workers' Party (Brazil)

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Mensalao is a not just a popular word. It is used extensively by newspapers and televisions. It would be just a funny fact not to include this word in reference to the crisis of 2005.

  • Nothing against the word, but "2005 Crisis - Mensalão Scandal" is too, too long. José San Martin 00:35, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

Coverage of crisis

IMHO the attemp of covarage to the actual crisis in the Worker's Party best fits to WikiNews, especially regarding to the newspaper poll mention. When one puts such information in an encyclopedical article, which should concern much more about the history of the party, its ideology, structure and members, it seems to me to be a POV.

I think that when the crisis comes to an end then one can write a section about the episode and its consequences. However at this moment it seems unappropriate, specially considering that Brazilians tend to defend passionally their opinions (and a edit war would begin) to keep doing this in this article - a link to a specific article would fit better (if I'm not wrong there seems to be a specific article already. Rfredian

I agree totally. Sorry if I bothered. José San Martin 00:47, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

Democratic socialism

Quoting. The anon user, who changed Socialism -> Democratic socialism wrote it my Talk.

"Eu mudei no artigo do PT em inglês para "Democratic Socialism" com base no Estatuto do PT aprovado pelo Diretório Nacional em 31/03/2001(Disponível no site do PT) em seu Capítulo 1,Artigo 1,o qual diz que o objetivo do PT é construir o socialismo democrático,e como está na Wikipedia a ideologia oficial é "Democratic Socialism" não somente "Socialism"."

Or in English, "I made the changes in the english article on PT to "Democratic Socialism" based on the party statutes aproved by the National Directory in 31/03/2001 (avaible at the party's official site), in the first chapter, first article, that says that PT's objective is build the democratic socialism. And as it is written in the [Portuguese] Wikipedia, the official ideology is the

Democratic Socialism, not just Socialism
".

I have to agree with him and I suggest to keep his changes. José San Martin 18:00, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree to include the official position. However, many "Tendências" are explicitly Trotskyist (even taking part in the Fourth International), Maoist, and some, on the other hand, are Social-Democratic. Many independent members of the party also subscribe to one of these fringe ideologies. Therefore, I have just added references to these different currents of thought, for a more complete description.

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labour Party

The title of the article is wrong. The title should be read "Labour Party". "Workers party" gives the wrong impression that the party consists of working people.--Mhsb (talk) 06:25, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Center-left

I apologize if I don't know Brazilian politics enough, and I'm not some ignorant redneck, but how can a party that's Marxist be considered center-left? Although I am aware it's for Social Democracy, so maybe I'm wrong even though it has Marxist factions. J390 (talk) 04:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You question is interesting. There are, in fact, some remaining radical (left-wing) groups in the party. But according to some sources, the party itself has a moderate position (center-left) today:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/feb/04/brazil-presidential-campaign
http://www.correiobraziliense.com.br/app/noticia182/2010/01/01/politica,i=163856/RADICALISMO+ENGAVETADO.shtml (Portuguese)
(I'll put these references in the article)
And also, according to this interview (in Portuguese), Lula, the party's most prominent member, doesn't consider himself as a "leftist":
http://noticias.terra.com.br/eleicoes2006/interna/0,,OI1070437-EI6652,00.html
--Laciportbus (talk) 06:15, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've been thinking about it today...I must admit I'm not sure about it. It's not always easy to determine what's the actual political position of a party. I've heard that the Workers' Party is "left-wing"...but the two sources I've cited above are considered reliable and they say that the political position is "center-left". Anyway, any other suggestions and/or references regarding this are welcome. --Laciportbus (talk) 05:19, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Excuse, but one thing is what politicians says and another is what they are. I live in Brazil and they look more left than center-left. And actually they are adopting some practices similar to Chaves' Venezuela. Nerun (talk) 19:04, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello everyone, yes, I would say that PT is a left to far left party, the centre-left party is PDT, the Democratic Labour Party, PT is on the left of the later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ptwsm17 (talk • contribs) 14:56, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As of 2020 PT is not regarded as "center left" by non-leftist political commentators in Brazil. Its alliance with the Communist Party of Brazil and with the hard-left PSOL for example point to the direction of hard-left. The fact that the party's main strategist, Jose Dirceu claims it is a socialist party. It used to advocate more moderate policies 15 years ago (although it was always allied with the Communist Party of Brazil), but right now, after the information regarding many political scandals involving attempts to control the legislative and judiciary powers through bribery schemes has been released, it sounds rather ludicrous to call it a "social-democratic" party.--RafaelG (talk) 18:26, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

When I looked it up, it was easy for non-leftist media in numerous countries to find data describing PT as a center-left party. Political terms used in Brazil are often distorted. In particular, in Brazil, the term "liberal" does not refer to center-left politics like North America, nor does it refer to centrist politics in most regions, including Europe. Even the far-rights call themselves "liberal" is the reality of Brazilian politics. On the other hand, even moderate political forces that are classified as center-left social liberal by European standards do not describe themselves as "liberal". PT should be seen as a simple center-left party, not left-wing party. Historically, it is true that PT was a Marxist party, and it is true that Lula da Silva shows off his friendship with the far-left regime in Venezuela, but it is more of a nationalist sentiment than a lef-wing. The PT regime took a center-left line based on the market economy and never left-wing rule. It is also important what official ideology a particular party advocates, but it is also important what form of governance it actually exhibits.--Storm598 (talk) 07:52, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And foreign policy itself is not much related to political position. As of 2022, Taiwan's conservative right-wing based on Chinese nationalism is favorable to the Chinese Communist Party, while the progressive left-wing based on Taiwanese nationalism is hostile to the Chinese Communist Party. The former cannot be regarded as left-wing and the latter cannot be regarded as right-wing. Even if the PT regime was close to the Venezuela far-left regime, they accepted a lot of neoliberal factors in economic policy. PT is a center-left party, not a left-wing party.--Storm598 (talk) 07:55, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the insight, BTW, @Storm598! FelipeFritschF (talk) 22:38, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

edits regarding corruptuion

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Membership source

Can any of you get the membership source to work? It doesn't work for me. http://inter04.tse.jus.br/ords/dwtse/f?p=2001:104:::NO::: Mr G (talk) 23:41, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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