User talk:Arsonal/Archive5

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On 1 January 2010, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article ASEAN–China Free Trade Area, which you created. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the candidates page.

--HJMitchell You rang? 21:33, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to comment on the above list. I have completed all of the items you requested so when you find the time could you take a look and make sure I captured all of your concerns. Also, if you are interested and have the time I have a couple of other articles that could also use comments.

• Smedley Butler, pending A class review
• Jose Calugas, pending good article review
• talk
  ) 01:28, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

I have made an additional comment on the featured list candidate. As for the other articles, I will try looking at them after vacation. Arsonal (talk) 11:18, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

I feel I should warn that your edit was useless; Collectonian already removed the link for that reference. See https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Royal_Space_Force%3A_The_Wings_of_Honn%C3%AAamise&action=historysubmit&diff=333442926&oldid=332989726 --Gwern (contribs) 16:33 14 January 2010 (GMT)

Not entirely. Just keep digging until you find something that can be kept. :) Never give up! Arsonal (talk) 17:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but what's the point of that? If linked URLs can be removed as copyvios, and unlinked URLs can be removed as copyvios, there's no reason to think URLs inside a comment are any more acceptable. And besides the comment, you added some easily found citation information. If someone wanted to know more, all they would have to do is google the quote and they'd find the whole thing. --Gwern (contribs) 17:49 14 January 2010 (GMT)

Yes, but that requires the effort of the readers. Policy restricts the contributors from providing readers direct access of such copyrighted material from Wikipedia itself. The citation is valid, as is the information; the means of citation to copies of the article was not. An external link to the

primary source (which was what I added) does not violate this. The quote is a means to verify that contributors have not misinterpreted the original text, not as a way to bypass copyright issues. Arsonal (talk

) 17:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

But there's nothing there at the 2 URLs! There's nothing there in the Internet Archive either because of robots.txt. What earthly good does linking to such URLs do?

And IMO, I wouldn't regard fair use as 'a way to bypass copyright issues'. --Gwern (contribs) 18:08 14 January 2010 (GMT)

It may be of some use later, who knows. I only added the URLs in a comment, so they're not visible to readers. Arsonal (talk) 21:56, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Presumably you are creating the chapter article yourself? If so, nice one! Which version are you going to be working from? Dandy Sephy (talk) 17:12, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm working from the original tankobon editions as my library has them. Arsonal (talk) 17:14, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Real nobrainers some of the one line bios - I hope someone comes in and deletes as many as they like - to recover some of them seems pointless - what do you think?

Which one-liners are you talking about? Arsonal (talk) 03:20, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Never mind the above. I think if an article on the person exists on the Indonesian Wikipedia, it is very much salvageable. However, people like

Ishak Effendi are very minor in the national political scene in terms of their lasting impact. We'll do a pass at them first and see about sending some for deletion the second time around. Arsonal (talk

) 03:25, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

My apologies - the bunch at - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Indonesia&action=edit&section=2 - some of them are too hard basket in my opinion - but you might have better access to stub saving refs I dont know

Arsonal, thanks for letting me know about your current effort in re-writing this article. I agree that it's due time for a serious effort. How would you like me to help? Do you want me to get involved in editing the current sandbox under your account, or do you prefer suggestions and review at this point? Thanks. Julius.kusuma (talk) 13:10, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi Arsonal, sounds good. I asked exactly so that things don't get too messy too early. I look forward to your first complete draft! Julius.kusuma (talk) 14:14, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in responding to your request for comments. I will review your excellent draft by Monday April 19 and share my comments. At first glance, it is much improved compared to the original: good work! Julius.kusuma (talk) 12:06, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Arsonal, here is my first round of comments.

• Your first draft really is excellent, very nice work! In particular, I like your organization of the material.
• Do you have plans on where/how to introduce the various waves of immigration to Indonesia? Will it be under "Ancestral origins" or under "History"? I think it should be under "History", to give it a better chronological view. I can help with this part if you like.
• Will you expand the history part to include more modern history? Maybe something along the lines of the following, with mentions of the different waves of immigration in the appropriate sub-sections:
  • Early interactions
  • Colonial period (only Dutch or also Japanese colonial period?)
  • Nation-building
  • Early independent era
  • New Order era (we can introduce the G30S/PKI history here as related to this article, and also important bits such as PP/10, etc.)
  • May 1998 riots (or, this can be the ending to the previous sub-section)
  • Reformasi era (then we can introduce the rescinding of a lot of anti-Chinese identity rules)
• In the "Society" section, I'm not sure yet what you have in mind regarding the structure of this part, so I leave it to you to add more detail before I comment.
• Let me know if you want me or other contributors to actively work on certain sections, otherwise I leave it to you to take the leading role in your draft.

Julius.kusuma (talk) 15:31, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Please stop moving pages without discussing and getting agreement. Page moves can be controversial and it can take time to have the original reinstated. --Merbabu (talk) 21:15, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I have responded with my reasons in the article in question. Arsonal (talk) 22:19, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Which article? I see two that you’ve moved in the last few days.

The first thing you need to do is to respect due process and use the talk page to explain and get consensus before the move. --Merbabu (talk) 23:41, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I will apologize if I have violated any policy, but I stand by my actions as they are within the process of consensus-building. Arsonal (talk) 23:58, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

for your help BLP at the project page list - it is really appreciated

what you have done is fine - dont sweat over it - I can pick some soon - but hey some of them are not worth the effort anyways - thanks

Hey Arsonal. I wanted to let you know I've conducted a GAN review for Wong Fu Productions, and identified a number of concerns at the the review page. I've placed in on hold in the meantime until the issues can be addressed. Best of luck! — Hunter Kahn 02:43, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

• I'm ready to pass it after your fixes to the references, but there is one objection that hasn't been addressed: "# "Since the end of its first tour, Wong Fu has created music videos for rising artists and continued producing short films." Here, too, can you point out where the source says this?" — Hunter Kahn 05:31, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Thanks. I've passed the GAN. — Hunter Kahn 05:51, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

I said that 木鈴 may be read as "Mokurin" in my talk page, but the word may be read as "Kisuzu." Because I didn't know the exact reading of the word, I researched more websites. The word is read as "Kisuzu" on the website (in Japanese). On the Japanese wikipedia article Kusuriya Tantei Yōkidan (as of February 4, 2010), the reading "Kisuzu" was used as the family name.--ACSE (talk) 06:42, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for following up. Would you say that it's more likely to be Kisuzu then? As a side note, I noticed the odd name construction when the Anime News Network encyclopedia listed the episode director's name as "Yoshinari Suzuki". I then noticed that the last name is different from the Suzuki that is used in the name of one of the Twin Spica characters. Arsonal (talk) 09:07, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Having read the ANN article, I thought that 木鈴芳 may be a typo of 鈴木芳成 (Suzuki Yoshinari).--ACSE (talk) 16:54, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

It's true that there are other anime with 鈴木芳成 in the credits, but I just checked the actual anime episodes. They list the director as 木鈴芳. It might be a case of ANN people thinking they are the same people. Arsonal (talk) 20:39, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns which you can see at Talk:Indonesian National Revolution/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:40, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Letting you know I've opened a

That's fine. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 20:24, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Regarding http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WestfieldHSconstruction1.jpg

Did the archived page state that the images were freely licensed? WhisperToMe (talk) 22:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)