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Yes, had seen that and decided to change a few bits and pieces in the article anyway - but have now undone all my changes in the light of your message. --Bcp67 (talk) 20:09, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've redone all your changes since I think they add to the article. They certainly clarify a lot of aspects, and there are some other good fixes (like the links) in there as well. James^x12345 20:15, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. Thanks for your review of George Aitken (rugby union) and for your comments on my talk page. I'll definitely give you a ping if I need something reviewed (which is actually quite regularly). I frequently want another pair of eyes on articles I start! -- Shudde ^talk 11:01, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I see you have added a coouple of new Irish Grade Ones to the list - if you are in the process of creating pages for them let me know where and I will add colours images. (JockeyColours (talk) 07:26, 5 May 2014 (UTC))[reply]

I'm afraid I just added them as redlinks to keep the G1 list comprehensive. I'm a bit lazy these days and tend to edit other people's creations rather than start anything new myself - haven't got masses of time to spare for editing I'm sorry to say. --Bcp67 (talk) 12:19, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Almost November and the category 2012 racehorse births is still empty. I'm not being lazy, I just don't remember any horse winning two GIs, which is usually my "trigger". Do you have any suggestions, or should we just wait for the Cartier winners? I see that "The Racecourse, Newbury" has officially gone west and not a moment too soon. Best wishes from The Boy, Tiger. Tigerboy1966  20:06, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A more ridiculous "re-branding" I can hardly remember! Yes, no especially dominant 2yo at the moment, maybe the Breeders might thrown up 2nd G1 winner? Another year of European pattern races drawing to a close and I've managed to get most of the missing results & refs in place although I gave up on the German races below G1, too many name changes. Time for the real stuff to start!! best wishes to you also. --Bcp67 (talk) 20:36, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I know exactly what you mean about the Gefuhrstockungenlichstampel-Kufuhrstenbahn-Unterndenlinden-Rennen (formerly the Reuss-zu-Zeiss und Johann Gambolputty-von-Ausfern Preis) syndrome which afflicts German racing. Tigerboy1966  23:15, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And the 2012 births category is up and running! --Bcp67 (talk) 05:29, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Do you know the origins of the FranceGalop references on pages such as Prix Ganay. They don't work for me, require a login, so I am wondering if there is something special I need to do, or whether the FG website has recently been protected? I am hoping that you can give me the secret for getting in (I would love another source of online race results), but if they no longer work then I guess they should be removed.(JockeyColours (talk) 16:20, 1 November 2014 (UTC))[reply]

Sorry, no, I don't know - they were put in by Zafonic who did a massive amount of work setting up the European pattern race pages. I guess they must have been freely available at that point - I've never actually clicked on any of the FranceGalop links before trying that one today - and yes, if they need registration they probably ought to be removed. --Bcp67 (talk) 18:12, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Slightly related, I've just started Grand Prix d'Automne and there are some gaps. Tigerboy1966  20:57, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Have added France Galop and Racing Post references to Grand Prix d'Automne. It's painful but possible to extract the refs from France-Galop - will need to find a better way if I'm going to do this regularly! It seems the Jumps results on F-G only go back to 1980, but the Flat results a couple of years earlier. (JockeyColours (talk) 22:04, 4 April 2015 (UTC))[reply]

I have found a new syntax for the France-Galop URLs which (for now) bypasses the userid/password page. I have updated the France-Galop template accordingly and the links now work - hope it lasts! I much prefer the Racing Post layout, but it seems that France-Galop have details of French races from 1979-1987 that are missing on RP, so worth using for that period. (JockeyColours (talk) 16:23, 4 April 2015 (UTC))[reply]

Brilliant work, well done for perserverence! --Bcp67 (talk) 18:58, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hey mate. I'm looking for any feedback I can get on the Dave Gallaher article, and was hoping you'd be able to give me your views here. Any and all advice on the article would be greatly appreciated. -- Shudde ^talk 07:02, 17 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for thinking of me, I don't do much RU editing these days but still have a keen interest in the historical aspects - I'll take a look. --Bcp67 (talk) 19:44, 17 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for correcting my Wally/Walter Swinburn mistake. I hadn't realised. Peaky76 (talk) 09:31, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I have recently edited the John Hills Racing trainer page. You have not accepted these edits, for what reason I do not know. All fact are correct- I am his daughter so should know. The poem is already online. However if this is not able to be up please remove and keep the rest. All information regarding winners and horses is accurate as are the dates. All links to we pages in which he is discussed are accurate too. Please amend and accept changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Olivia hills (talk • contribs) 08:57, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Changes for 2015 here [1] Tigerboy1966  19:08, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Brilliant, thank you for that. --Bcp67 (talk) 19:31, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Great, isn't it? I had the update for the David Nicholson Hurdle completed with Annie Power as the winner and was all set to hit save page as she pulled clear at the last when she fell like a sack of spuds. Fortunately she bounced to her feet again shortly afterwards and will fight another day. That's jump racing for you. Tigerboy1966  20:47, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

At least you didn't actually hit the save button! Not editing much at the moment, not finding a vast amount of time for it, but will pick up again soon. Tomorrow, a day in Gloucestershire for me... --Bcp67 (talk) 21:07, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Can you take a look at Dubai Gold Cup which I have just created. I don't often create articles on races, so I think a few tweaks will be needed. btw, you might also like Norton's Coin which was fun to do, but took ages. Tigerboy1966  14:41, 28 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I'll have a look at the race article. Have already had a look through the Norton's Coin one, brings back some memories - I was there when he won the GC although naturally didn't back him! Kind of typifies what makes jump racing so great really, the no-hoper trained by the permit holder who won the biggest prize in the game. --Bcp67 (talk) 17:50, 28 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

btw the reason I haven't created an article for a while is that I've been working on Limestone Lad (another "what makes jump racing so great" story) which has been kicking around the sandboxes for about 2 years. It's about 18k atm and is nowhere near finished, but I'm determined to get it out there before the classic madness gets under way at the end of next week. Tigerboy1966  21:39, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Another gem there, shame he never quite managed to win a Stayers' Hurdle (I still struggle to call it the "World Hurdle", but then I still call last Saturday's feature race the Whitbread!). I did a DYK review last week so I could put up a nom but couldn't quite find anything in the article to provide a hook - any suggestions? --Bcp67 (talk) 20:01, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I am going to do some quick articles on the leading contenders. Elm Park and Epicuris are the only G1 winners, apart from Gleneagles who we have been repeatedly assured will not run but has been left in the field for some strange reason hmmm. Golden Horn is also worth an article as he looks pretty certain to go off favourite although I agree with his owner that his pedigree suggests he won't stay. Can't get my head around Zawraq's position in the market. Tigerboy1966  21:11, 22 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Gleneagles a bit like New Approach maybe, left in "by mistake"? But he does look nothing but a miler really. Can understand why they have decided on Epsom for Golden Horn, despite the doubts re pedigree - even owners of Oppenheimer's type don't often get a live crack at THE Derby. I'm hopeful of getting the 2015 race article onto ITN within a day of two, its ITN/R which means it can get on there if its in decent shape, plenty of prose, well-refd etc, and I think it has a good chance. --Bcp67 (talk) 21:35, 23 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think the article is looking very good. All credit to you. I was tempted to do mini-articles on some of the other contenders but I don't want to stuck with half a dozen stubs which would need regular updating. I'll have a dummy article in a sandbox ready to be customised if the winner isn't Golden Horn, Elm Park or Epicuris. Looks as though Gosden isn't 100% certain about running Jack Hobbs.[2]. Tigerboy1966  22:06, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, it'll need a decent bit on the race itself, which I won't be able to do myself until Sunday at the earliest, so feel free if you want to pile in with something. Interesting about Hobbs - I saw Gosden on tv after the Dante and he didn't seem certain then about whether he might skip the Derby and head for Ascot, he felt the horse was still a bit green.--Bcp67 (talk) 04:34, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Gosden felt the same about Nathaniel a few years ago. Anyway... if you won't be around to update the page on the day I thought I would add a "Full result" infobox as well as a description of the race. I was going to use the same infobox in previous years but I was wondering if you would prefer a modified version of the "Race card" infobox already in the article. I will probably be rooting for Success Days: firstly, its a "true underdog story" and secondly, given his ownership, a Derby win is the only thing that can prevent a trip to the vets for intimate surgery followed by a plane ride to Hong Kong. Tigerboy1966  21:36, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Haha,yes. I think the full result format from previous years would work OK and be consistent with the other Derby articles - the SP can come out of the racecard, its more relevant to the result than the card. Using the same result format would mean jockeys and trainers being listed twice, but that's no great issue really. Up to you, no problem with how it looks in the end as long as the details are in there. I might put the usual sections in today and comment them out, to save a bit of time later on. I'll be an interested tv watched rather than a gambler today, I hardly bet now and given my preference for the winter game I'll look at this as the best Triumph Hurdle trial!!! --Bcp67 (talk) 06:44, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Hills or Charlie Hills? What do you think? He could do with an article either way. Tigerboy1966  13:38, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think I've used both when updating results! RP and the Guardian racing pages both use Charlie today, so I reckon that's the one to go with. Agree he should join his father and many siblings with an article here. Thanks for sticking in the Ascot results, makes life much easier for me, cheers. --Bcp67 (talk) 20:38, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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How about "Soviet Star was compared to Dancing Brave and spent his retirement with a goat named Bertie..."  Tigerboy1966  11:57, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Like it! --Bcp67 (talk) 16:39, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Left a couple of notes for you on there which I think is one of yours. Cheers, Colin aka Henri Merton 15:37, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've dabbled a bit with that one, I'll have a look - cheers. --Bcp67 (talk) 18:53, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you learn something new everyday. I would definitely go for placing him in deaths in Wales. He must have lived in Wales for his first ten years, his mother could well be Welsh and he ran for two Welsh seats, as well as taking Wales to his heart when he became a peer. Go for it. FruitMonkey (talk) 21:18, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Bcp67,

Thanks for your edits on Carl Llewellyn. SethWhales ^talk 10:37, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, I see a lot of new horse racing articles when they link to pages on my watchlist and I often go through and try to improve them a bit. Good luck with the DYK nomination! --Bcp67 (talk) 21:14, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for your edits (any additional edits woud be appreciated). I wasn't going to nominate it for DYK, but you have persuaded me. See Template:Did you know nominations/Tim Forster. Many thanks. SethWhales ^talk 12:24, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bcp67,

I wonder if you could do me a big favour. Could you review the hook on Template:Did you know nominations/Zuriel Oduwole. I have already reviewed the article (Zuriel Oduwole) itself. So you just need to review the hook that it agrees with the reference in the article....Many thanks, hoping you can help. SethWhales ^talk 21:18, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done - look forward to seeing it on the main page! --Bcp67 (talk) 21:41, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much Bcp67...and happy New Year! SethWhales ^talk 07:30, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Just to alert you to an amended result [3]. Tigerboy1966  19:14, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers - saw this on the RP site earlier, planning to fix it tomorrow. --Bcp67 (talk) 19:39, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Well done for digging out that book. Timeform's annual for 1984 doesn't have the usual results section. I managed to find most of the jockeys from newspaper articles (but not George Duffield). The finishing order was partly compiled by watching the race over & over on youtube! Tigerboy1966  22:19, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Recovered from the loft! Good back actually, the forerunner of the Ladbrokes Pocket Companions but in a bigger format, I also have the 1986 and 1987 editions. There is some curiousity though as it shows Northern Fred last rather than Cataldi and the beaten distances don't seem to include all 16 places. The result is in an article which concludes that the standard of the 1984 race was very poor when considering the post-race performances of the runners, with only EGS being up to standard. --Bcp67 (talk) 22:23, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't know RFJH's exact birthdate, but I've emailed his daughter Eve Johnson Houghton for help. I'm sure she's a very busy lady but she might get back to me. Tigerboy1966  18:19, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Did you have any luck with that? Just finished the DYK QPQ so the article should make its way to the front page reasonably soon. --Bcp67 (talk) 06:45, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Will do my best. Red Fiona (talk) 20:06, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Have expanded the page with some more information. I mis-read the DYK check output. Sorry about that :) Red Fiona (talk) 20:18, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Bcp67,

Hi - I noticed you created the North Midlands RFU page which is a welcome addition to our rugby union pages. I have just created the North Midlands Cup page and will follow up with the North Midlands Shield and Vase pages. I am a Cornish rugby club fan so my knowledge of Midlands rugby is ok but not great. Please could you check the page(s) to ensure that I am not missing anything as some information is a little hard to find? Thanks. Jgjsmith006 (talk) 17:02, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My knowledge of Midlands rugby might be less than ok actually. I start up a few bits and pieces on county unions and other amateur-era stuff, and I'm out in the rugby wilderness of East Anglia! I'll look at the articles though and see if I can add anything from my reference books here. Thanks for the message, and you create some excellent stuff yourself. --Bcp67 (talk) 22:00, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Amazing in-depth work on this article. I am going to post The Gurkha some time this week as he has a G1 in the bag. If the fillies don't turn up I wouldn't look past him and Wings Of Desire (I hate that capital "O" in "Of" but that's the way it is). Tigerboy1966  20:26, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I'm hoping it will be ready for ITN/R after the race, although I won't be around for the weekend itself so it will need some updating. I'd maybe like to work it up to GA one day, it's a long way short at the moment. I think I prefe the capital O myself! More interested in another Of, Cloth Of/of Stars. --Bcp67 (talk) 20:31, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Midterm out with stress fracture. Algometer wins Cocked Hat. And RP have started using a small "o", at least in results/analysis sections. Tigerboy1966  18:44, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Small o it probably is then! Thanks for the info, not seen the Midterm news until now. I'll update the 2016 Derby article further over the weekend. Not long until we find out who fancies ponying up the £75K for an extra shot. --Bcp67 (talk) 20:11, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's starting to look like a glorified St Leger trial, but who knows what will happen. If ever a horse had "sixth in the Derby" written all over him it's Red Verdon. Now we just have to work out the five horses who'll finish in front of him. I'm liking Massaat atm. Tigerboy1966  19:56, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

On the front page with no arguments! Tigerboy1966  19:29, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent stuff - and "If ever a horse had "sixth in the Derby" written all over him"... brilliant!! --Bcp67 (talk) 11:59, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that you !voted oppose in the RM for the template {{

Thank you - and thanks for all the work with the direct links. I wasn't massively opposed to the move, it makes sense, but the nominator could have done with making some attempt at a rationale I thought. Thanks again and all the best! --Bcp67 (talk) 16:24, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a more depressing phrase in the English language than "Now here's Gok with the fashion"? Tigerboy1966  14:31, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fast forward every time! A great week but never quite as good as Cheltenham. --Bcp67 (talk) 18:55, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have got a sandbox article here User:Tigerboy1966/sandbox12, please take a look. I am struggling to complete the finishing order and the youtube videos are no help as they are very poor quality and most of the horses finished in a heap. Well done on beating me to the punch on the July Cup yesterday, I had my "Quiet Reflection wins" update all ready to go at the click of the mouse. Odd thing is that Henry Candy was involved at the business end of both races, 36 years apart! Tigerboy1966  14:25, 10 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I thought I'd just short-headed you on the July Cup, I had it ready to go just inside the final furlong! Candy seems to have had a resurgence with his sprinters lately. I'll have a look at the 1980 Derby but I have to say I have no written references here back that far so I might be able to call on - all my stuff starts around 1984, 85. --Bcp67 (talk) 19:34, 10 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hope you get a chance to watch the St Leger tomorrow. I think Idaho is a stone cold certainty and I will have an article posted within seconds of him crossing the line ten lengths clear of his hapless adversaries. That's the theory anyhow. Given my record as a tipster he will will probably run like a three-legged donkey with gout. Tigerboy1966  19:46, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't watch it until this morning, without knowing the result - your last sentence seems ominously accurate now! Sorry it didn't work out for you. Nightmare weekend for results, one of the busiest of the year for pattern races all over Europe, just catching with it up all now.--Bcp67 (talk) 20:13, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, thanks for your thoughts on my edits to the 1907 & 09 Home Nations championship regarding John Jackett. At such a removed time it is difficult to say exactly where he should be recorded as playing. At the time club membership was not exclusive like it is now, he was definitely a member of Leicester and playing regularly (24 games out of 35 games he was available for in the 08/09 season) but might have also been a playing member of Falmouth as there weekends "blank" between Leicester and England games, likely these were Cornwall and trial games but I can't be certain or prove that. Personally I would say we have a reliable source showing him regularly playing for Leicester and a source showing him as a member of Falmouth but no source showing how often he played for Falmouth. I don't mind the proposed change to (Falmouth/Leicester) but personally don't think it is an accurate reflection of where he was a playing member at the time.Skeene88 (talk) 11:23, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi - I have created a page for the 2017 Bill Beaumount Cup (tier 1) and will create pages for the other two tiers this week. The structure the RFU is introducing is very confusing with only the promotion/relegation over 2 years making any sense to me. Also, they have eliminated the Lancashire v Yorkshire fixture this season which was one of the best attended of recent years. I will add more information as it becomes available but feel free to add input. Thanks. Jgjsmith006 (talk) 18:01, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, and apologies for not replying to your reply back in August. The new structure doesn't look great, does it, but at least the 2-year setup will give a proper set of home & away games for each team. Will take a look at the new page and chip in where I can. --Bcp67 (talk) 22:07, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No problem - I have now created pages for the

2017 County Championship Shield (as well as adding missing final results for the Plate competition which I initially thought started in 2005 but actually began in 2002). Only thing I am not sure about is whether there is now promotion between tier 2 and tier 3 as has not been made particularly clear??? Jgjsmith006 (talk) 18:09, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply

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Could you help me please by telling me the English counties who played the 1972/73 All Blacks. http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/tourbreak.asp?IDID=68

Hey Bcp. I thought I'd see if you're interested in having a look at Joe Warbrick and giving any thoughts or comments at Wikipedia:Peer review/Joe Warbrick/archive1. The peer review hasn't solicited any comments yet, so anything would be greatly appreciated. -- Shudde ^talk 11:02, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the ping, I'll take a look - always interested in furthering stuff on the deep history of the game. All the best for 2017 to you! --Bcp67 (talk) 11:17, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for your help in tidying up the page which I started recently. The subject is a distant cousin of my late grandmother, but I feel I am suitably distanced from the subject as he died almost 30 years before I was born. I discovered the family link only recently, and was disappointed not to be able to find a Wikipedia entry for him... so, I thought, why not start one?!

I was wondering whether you had any thoughts on how I could improve this article, beyond trying to source information on the numbers of winners ridden per year during his career, and perhaps his annual positions in the lists of leading jockeys. I don't think Charlie would ever be among the very best articles in the project, but I would like to do the best job I can for him. Thanks again. - Steve cov (talk) 15:57, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's a nice connection for you, and I can't see any conflict of interest there with a distant relative who died many years ago. I hadn't heard of Charlie Trigg before I saw you link to the Epsom Oaks article - he was a Classic-winning jockey anyway, and that's something to be proud of. I did look in some reference books I have but found nothing, sadly. Might be difficult to source those sorts of information about winners ridden from the early 20th century too, records weren't that well kept I think and as you mentioned the Champion Jockey title itself was unofficial. It's a decent article which you've created, gives a picture of Charlie and his life and career - hope you can find some more. Maybe online newspaper archives might provide something? All the best! --Bcp67 (talk) 16:15, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts... I already have a little more source material from the newspaper archives on the end-of-season leading jockeys lists, together with some nice images which would now be out of copyright (including a picture of the notorious Mrs Trigg), so I will keep looking and hopefully get a full set of year-by-year numbers of winners. - Steve cov (talk) 17:03, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've now completed as much as I have which I think worthy of inclusion, so in time I'd be glad of a review of the Start-Class rating which Charlie currently has. :-) - Steve cov (talk) 21:03, 22 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Do you have any plans on this article to match your epic effort on the 2016 edition? As it looks like we might well have a race without any previous G1 winners I am hemming and hawing about doing an article for any of the leading contenders. Cliffs of Moher looks like being Coolmore's chosen one and the British seem to have gone dippy over Cracksman on the grounds that he represents the Golden Horn team and has a cool-sounding name. I will be hoping that Permian takes the Derby for the North and Dubai Thunder (another cool name) might be anything but honestly, none of these horses looks NOTABLE atm. Any thoughts? Tigerboy1966  20:09, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No plans to make the 2017 article match the 2016 - just haven't had the time this year to do much apart from keep the results ticking over and not really close to the Derby contenders - good luck with Permian - who was the last Northern winner - was it Dante? --Bcp67 (talk) 20:18, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You've probably spotted this already but [4]. Tigerboy1966  19:04, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No, hadn't seen that - thanks for the link, much appreciated. --Bcp67 (talk) 19:37, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for the heads up. Have read the guidance and have also completed an entry for Gay Spartan with the linking just about right .. I think ? On a slightly different matter, do you know if pages of a racecourse racecard are subject to copyright restrictions. I wanted to add the racecard page for the 1979 Embassy Premier Chase Final on my Silver Buck entry, as I think it would add some nostalgia to it.However, from my understanding the racecard, though owned by myself, is the property of the racecourse copywright wise and cannot be published in a wiki article. I guess it would be the same for personal photos. Border Incident (talk) 15:02, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Linking in the Gay Spartan article looks good, I did a small copyedit for a bit of spacing after full stops and commas etc. I reckon that you are right about copyright and that you can't show them here - photos I am not sure about. I think in racecards there is usually some line about not publishing them without permission of the course, but there are plenty of racehorse photos on wikipedia articles which were taken at the races and have been uploaded, so I'd go ahead with those if I were you. You aren't using them for publication for any personal gain in any case. All the best --Bcp67 (talk) 07:29, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Re the name: Thanks. I went to

Would you know why I get notices telling me that something (usually a race) has been linked to Brian Meehan? Stretchrunner (talk) 15:52, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Stretchrunner, there is an option to be notified when an article links to one that you created - look in Preferences>Notifications then find "Page Link". Let me know if you have any problems. Best wishes. --Bcp67 (talk) 16:02, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

May I suggest a label for Wally Swinburn as Walter, Sr. to help others in the future avoid doing work for no reason. Stretchrunner (talk) 11:09, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Can you, or someone you know, help out. I just revised the United States Champion Jockey by wins list and its very long. I don't know how or if possible to do it, but can/should it be split into two, maybe three columns? Thanks. Stretchrunner (talk) 16:37, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi User:Stretchrunner, there is a template called which you can use to divide a list into two or more columns - have a look at Template:Div col for the details. Hope that helps get you started with splitting that list.--Bcp67 (talk) 20:52, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I played around with diffent things including "Div Col" but it seems to work only for columns. The Jockey win list is a table which has three distinct columns and each requires alignment. Apparently a table can't be broken like "Div Col" does. I ended up creating something that is almost 100% and, to me, looks good. I left a "help" note in the edit summary and another note on the Talk page asking for anyone who has technical knowledge of such things to look at it. Stretchrunner (talk) 15:38, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Need some help if you can. I created a new article for Sir Harry (Canadian horse) as there was a Sir Harry already. I just moved that Sir Harry to Sir Harry (British horse) but it didn't achieve what I wanted as a search for Sir Harry redirects to the Brit horse. Do you know how to set this up so a search for Sir Harry will show a choice? Thanks. Stretchrunner (talk) 21:52, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Stretchrunner, you could take the redirect page for Sir Harry, and make into a disambiguation (dab) page with links to both the articles. An example is Nimbus (horse), which is a dab page for three different horses. Have a go at doing it and I'll take a look when its done. --Bcp67 (talk) 20:18, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just working up an article on Mabs Cross and found that she won the "EBF Musselburgh Fillies' Sprint Stakes (Listed Race) (Registered As The Arran Stakes)" last October. I've never heard of the race. Do you want to add it? Tigerboy1966  08:01, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the message - this was a new Listed that year and it's part of the Ayr Gold Cup meeting, which fell victim to waterlogging. The race was rescheduled for Musselburgh a few weeks later, won by Mabs Cross. Article here Arran Scottish Fillies' Sprint Stakes. Will have a look at the Mabs Cross article when its done - all the best! --Bcp67 (talk) 10:24, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Now I know why I couldn't find the race. Tigerboy1966  12:33, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello. The picture on Dan Kemp’s page is not him. It’s a young picture of actor Jim Davis. I just watched the Gunsmoke episode “McCabe” you reference (Kemp and Davis both star in it), and while looking up Wiki info on Kemp, noticed the picture was of Davis instead. I took a picture of Kemp from the episode if you’d like it. Fluff61 (talk) 01:02, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the message but I only changed a link on the article to point to a tv series rather than a racehorse, so I don't know anything about the subject or the picture, sorry. --Bcp67 (talk) 08:09, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Robinson (horse racing)

Came across this and thought you might want to do something. Stretchrunner (talk) 19:41, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, might see what I can do. You could hardly find a briefer stub!! --Bcp67 (talk) 19:42, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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I think there should be a bio on this trainer. I'll do it, but it's likely that you or one of your fellow Brit editors could give it a proper justice that I might not.Stretchrunner (talk) 20:24, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look if you start one. Controversial figure! --Bcp67 (talk) 20:31, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's because of the controversy. Churchill Stakes makes me wonder - someone suggested that maybe "we" don't like to write this kind of thing about racing.Stretchrunner (talk) 16:56, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Would you have the year Hopeful Stakes (Great Britain) was first run? Thanks.Stretchrunner (talk) 14:45, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, I haven't. It was certainly around in the late 1980s but no idea before that. --Bcp67 (talk) 14:44, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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No need to thank me. Just send cash. Stretchrunner (talk) 22:47, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I found a 1932 article on him that surprised me due to the American horse numbers involved twenty years after

Very interesting read - he clearly had plenty of excellent connections on the American scene. May see at some point if I can use any of that. --Bcp67 (talk) 20:33, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

more than 50% of all his horses being American owned boggled my mind. Based on the elite/rich/powerful owners in question, Cecil B-R's regular visits to the U.S. paid off. Good businessman. Stretchrunner (talk) 21:44, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the good input on the idea of a Track Record category for horses. I've always wondered if running on grass, maybe especially in wet/rainy areas of England, could mean a far wider range of running conditions that would affect race times? Stretchrunner (talk) 16:51, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you - yes, weather very much a factor I think - at Newmarket on Saturday you could see from the tv pictures it was pretty fast, the horses were kicking dust up. On another day after a week of rain, there would be a lot of cut in the ground. Timeform always reckons that the going is the single biggest factor affecting a horse's ability to produce it's best form. Undulations on courses make a big difference too - you couldn't compare Newmarket's mile course (for example) with York's much flatter straight. From what I've seen of North American racing on tv and live, the tracks are invariably flat and fairly consistent in surface, unless you get a sloppy track. Nothing against either way of racing, it's what makes it interesting! Pace definitely a factor too, we're used to seeing US races where the field gets on with it right from the start. In Britain and Ireland it tends to be all done inside the last couple of furlongs and in France even more so - they run their races much slower for most of the way than we do. --Bcp67 (talk) 17:01, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately I am working a full shift ov Derby day so I won't be able to do any updates until the evening. I'm just hoping that O'Brien runs Amhran Na Bhfiann to see how the Anglophone commentators cope with the pronunciation. I think it's something like "Ohrohn Nya Vyaun" but I couldn't swear to it. Tigerboy1966  17:50, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Will probably be able to get something updated during the day. I'd like to add a bit about the original entries being cancelled and re-opened but can't find a decent ref for it at the moment. What does the horse's name translate to in English? --Bcp67 (talk) 18:46, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'll have a look at the entries issue. After a quick google I can confirm Amhran Na Bhfiann means "Song of the Soldier" or "Soldier's Song" and is the Irish National Anthem. I am revising my pronunciation to "Uhrahn Nya Vain". Tigerboy1966  21:32, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Would you like to do a bio for this guy or should I? Stretchrunner (talk) 16:05, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Hartigan SEE:

• Roseway (horse)
• Vaucluse (horse)
• 1901 Grand National
• 1904 Grand National
• 1930 Grand National
• List of Grand National winners
• 1000 Guineas Stakes (1915 & 1919)
• Coronation Cup (1921)

Great minds think alike I suppose. Looks like we were making the pretty much identical edits at the same time! Tigerboy1966  20:03, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry if I gave you an edit conflict! Feel free to improve on my wording. --Bcp67 (talk) 20:04, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that correction. That was an awful mistake and I'm pretty sure it was me that committed it! --

Thanks for your thanks and no problem at all - we've all made some howlers in our time here! I'm also a bit worried about the article for Left-arm orthodox spin, which refers to it as off-spin bowling. For me, the orthodox left-armer turns it away from the right-handed batsman, I'd find it hard to describe that as off-spin! --Bcp67 (talk) 11:06, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree. I always wondered why left-arm orthodox doesn't terrorise batsmen more than it does; other than the odd individual like Pietersen, in my head, I don't think it does seem to do much better than off-spin, yet its line seems so much more threatening to a right hander. Maybe there just aren't enough left arm spinners around to form a big enough talent pool. --

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Hi Bcp67 - I drafted my first article on Josh Gray (rugby union) and have learnt a great deal from a couple of editors to help me write articles. One final bit of learning for me is I beleive you created the Disambiguation as there are other Josh Gray's but what i dont understand is the other two gray's come up in a wiki search with their sport in brackets but the page josh gray (rugby union) doesn't even if i type it in full in the search. A Josh Gray wiki page comes up and takes you to your Disambiguation page and then you can select the article for josh gray (rugby union). Should josh gray (rugby union) come up straight away like the other two? Do i need to add something in the article code for it to do so or is it something else? If you can help (and help my learning!) that would be great. Thanks 2A00:23C4:B05E:C700:E4DE:F733:CD89:9568 (talk) 04:27, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bcp67 - apologies I realised I hadn't logged in but the question above on the josh gray page is from me. You can see i'm new to this. I didnt realise what a great community there is on wiki - I'm hooked! Just got loads to learn. If you can help me understand the issue above that would be rEally helpful. Thanks MelbourneWang6727 (talk) 04:31, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi MelbourneWang6727, thanks for your message. Yes - if you create an article with a disambig'd title, you'll always need to do something else to lead readers to that article, either an entry on a dab page or a hatnote if there is a single primary topic - see my edit to Jamie Hill for an example. To answer your question, I have found that sometimes when you create a new article it doesn't come up in the search box for a while, but I can see it does now - just allow a bit of time. Another thought - if you leave a message on someone's talk page, please leave a section heading - there is a tab at the top you can use or you can do it manually. Hope you have a long and happy editing career and feel free to ask questions here, or you can also go to the Rugby Union project talk page for help from the wider rugby community. All the best! --Bcp67 (talk) 12:37, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bcp67 - I actually dont see the Wiki option come up for josg gray (rugby union) when i just type in 'josh gray' but josh gray (footballer) or josh gray (basketball) do. Perhsps I will just wait as you say and search periodiocally to see if it appears. Thanks MelbourneWang6727 (talk) 16:42, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi could you help me getting me unblocked and can you please be my mentor?Mr Hall of England (talk) 23:15, 11 November 2020 (UTC) Hope you are well. Stay Safe Also could you add this to the Six Nations?[reply]

Hi, you edited Jack Gleeson (rugby union) with a 1979 date of death. I was the author of that article and I realize that that date of death contradicts with some of the information I had provided. Could you kindly refer me to a source for the date of death? It would help unravel the mystery of the dates. Thanks! Nearlyevil665 (talk) 22:59, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi User:Nearlyevil665, a bit of a lazy unsourced edit by me, sorry! Gleeson was coach around 77 to 78 - he coached the 1978 Grand Slam tour but fell ill the following year I believe. Eric Watson succeeded him and the In Memoriam article here [5] for Watson gives some info - " Eric Watson who served in 1979-80 died on March 25 while the man who replaced him for the 1981-82 seasons Peter Burke, died on October 2. Watson, from Otago, took over the coaching when his predecessor Jack Gleeson fell ill and while the All Blacks had some rocky experiences, including losing the Bledisloe Cup in 1979, he took the side to Wales for the centenary tour and saw the All Blacks claim an outstanding 23-3 win over their old rivals." while this article mentions his death [6] "The Gleeson-Mourie partnership guided the All Blacks to the first Grand Slam of Britain and Ireland in 1978, before Gleeson had to step down when he was diagnosed with cancer, which would tragically see him die in November 1979." Hope that helps. --Bcp67 (talk) 07:33, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No worries and thanks for the references. I have used it to amend the article a bit further. Nearlyevil665 (talk) 08:38, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is in the Frankel article's infobox. Is this the title the U.K etc. contributors want us to use? Stretchrunner II (talk) 11:20, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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