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Hi. @HistoryofIran considers that article as its own and has taken it hostage. It does not allow anyone to edit! See the history of the article; Anyone who has edited (even correct edits) he has undone.

He is not willing to discuss on the talk page of that article. Even I brought a source, but the source rejects a historian (Basil Nikitin)!! Sardarmukri (talk) 08:52, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

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I am acting as an admin, to end the edit-war and force discussion. I am not taking a position on the content itself. But I do see that the other editor did in good faith start a talk-page discusion, in which you post multiple unsupported or weakly-supported claims of fact and unsupported opinions about sources, whereas they cite several sources and a Wikipedia guideline about sources. I recommend you seek

dispute resolution from other experienced editors. DMacks (talk

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I changed the word "equivalent" in the text to "equal", because mass and energy are not equivalent. m^2 is the invariant (squared) length of the 4-vector (E,p). Energy is the 0 component of the 4-vector. To say they are equivalent is like saying that r and z of a 3-vector are equivalent if x and y happen to be zero. Of course, even though 100 cm equals 1 meter, the numbers have to be multiplied by a constant factor if they are in different units. I could change the next sentence to "If energy and mass are expressed in different units, then a constant conversion factor would have have to be introduced." I have been working so long in units where energy and mass are in the same unit, that I didn't think such an explanation was necessary, but I left what was there so it wouldn't make too much of a change. In any event, it was what I considered the misuse of the world "equivalent" that motivated me. What do you think should be done? Alfa137 (talk) 17:05, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Hey, DMacks. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Chris Troutman (talk) 17:11, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you for just blanking that request. My gut said something was wrong with it, but I couldn't readily confirm it. —C.Fred (talk) 18:57, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

@C.Fred: You're welcome! Google-translate of the Arabic helps for these sorts of things. DMacks (talk) 19:13, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Which I did, actually, but didn't get any results that let me anywhere useful. Maybe my Translate foo just isn't as strong as yours. :) —C.Fred (talk) 19:19, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

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The page itself has 2 different length of carbon... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/64/3-methylornithine.svg/330px-3-methylornithine.svg.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/Pyrrolysine.svg/330px-Pyrrolysine.svg.png

I'm pretty confused... I don't know what to change ^^

Sciencationelle (talk) 16:52, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

@Sciencationelle The article is correct but could do with expansion. If you click on its reference doi:10.1002/anie.201301164, you'll see a diagram that shows how 3-methyl ornithine first forms a dipeptide with lysine and then an enzyme cyclises the ornithine portion to form the ring. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:39, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Take a look at File:Pyrrolysine Synthesis (corrected).png. In your first step, you take lysine and label the reaction "methylation". If a new carbon becomes attached as you say, it would give methyllysine not methylornithine. Compare your second structure with File:3-methylornithine.svg. The reaction instead is an isomerization: instead of a new carbon added, the chain gets shortened by one to supply the methyl group. Then notice in your last step (the multiple-arrows) how to have to lose one of the black carbons in the chain. If your black-and-red structure were to be correct, wouldn't the final product have a six-membered ring rather than five? Look at how many carbons there are between the methyl group and the nitrogen. Mike Turnbull's DOI link is a good one. DMacks (talk) 03:18, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

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C13H21NO OR C13H22N2O, which chemical formula is right？

C13H22N2O: wikidata, chemspider

C13H21NO: CAS, pubchem, and this artical

pubchem CID: 40579125 is reffer to C13H22N2O -- Htmlzycq (talk) 07:34, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

@Htmlzycq Thanks for pointing this out. I've corrected the article IDs. The easiest way to know which is correct is via the InChI key, which has to reflect the stereochemistry (and obviously there is only one nitrogen!). Wikidata is still wrong. I'm not sure if a bot updates that automatically now I've changed the Chembox but, if not, perhaps you would like to do that? Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:46, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

OK, I've remove all ITEM in wikidada Q1030730 reffer to SS220, except Freebase ID and Microsoft Academic ID which I can't open because of GWF.--Htmlzycq (talk) 12:04, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

I've rebuild the wikidada entry Q116678739 about SS220.--Htmlzycq (talk) 12:16, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

@Htmlzycq I suspect that Q1030730 = chemspider = pubchem is entirely the result of an earlier mistake when someone was trying to enter SS220. There are no actual references to "real" literature on that compound and Chemspider claims it has Cas RN = 298207-27-9, which is actually SS220. I'm not sure how one goes about removing this fictitious compound! Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:44, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Wow, I go to sleep for one night, and all sorts of excitement happens here! There's often an echo-chamber among some or all of wikidata/pubchem/chemspider, whereas CAS and actual literature are more authoritative. What if anything is left to do? Is the article correct, pointing to a correct wikidata item? Is there a different wikidata item that is purely ficticious (as opposed to simply talking about some other known chemical)? Are there incorrect diagrams on commons? DMacks (talk) 17:56, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

After my edits yesterday the article is entirely correct and its citations back up the structure, which has been correctly drawn since its creation. The first mistakes in our article were added in this edit by Graeme_Bartlett when he linked to pubchem=53420601 (presumably searching via the CAS RN) and that edit added the wrong InChI and key: the mol form is the giveaway. I'm not sure how chemspider ID=26514450 was created: it has never been in our article. I don't know how to fix the database side, although I have in the past emailed RSC people to correct Chemspider entries. Arguably Q1030730 should be SS220 and not as it stands today a mixture of isomers that has, as far as I know, never existed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:17, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing that. My bad edit happened too long ago to figure out how I got a wrong pubchem cid. Usually I would go by SMILES, but using the CASRN to search pubchem is likely too. But I failed to add SMILES back then. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:47, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

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In the same chemical field, there are few two compounds with the same name, which will cause great trouble. But there are two "Retusin" in flavonoids,

Retusin (flavonol): CAS, chemspider, and pubchem

Retusin (isoflavone): CAS, chemspider, and pubchem

Maybe it is another echo-chamber among some or all of wikipedia/pubchem/chemspider database.--Htmlzycq (talk) 10:03, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

@Htmlzycq This is just a case of two independent research teams assigning trivial names that happen to be duplicates. The CAS entries call one "Retusin (Ariocarpus)" and the other "Retusin (Dalbergia)". I think that these would be better titles for our two articles than the current ones, since that is what the references use. Would you like to move them? Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:16, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

I personally tend to use a chemical name similar to "4',7-Dihydroxy-6-methoxyflavone", but it is not very friendly to people unfamiliar with chemistry--Htmlzycq (talk) 11:53, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

@

WP:COMMONNAME the "Retusin" should be in both titles. We have a DAB page that might not be needed since there are only 2 retusins. Mike Turnbull (talk

) 12:17, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Kind regards. 2A00:23C6:191A:A901:9D17:4287:117B:E3EF (talk) 19:49, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

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I find it absolutely disgusting that there’s a policy on “deadnames” in Wikipedia that actively tries to hide relevant information. I’m here ONLY to find out what their birth name was, but somehow that isn’t considered “relevant information”. If it’s something people are coming here to find out the answer to, how is it not relevant information?! It’s sad and pathetic that Wikipedia and the people “moderating” it obviously have a political agenda that they want to push, and actively try to hide other relevant information under the guise of “dead naming”. Disgusting and will never donate to this site again. Seedub420 (talk) 06:16, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

You are entitled to your opinion, and free to do with your resources as you please. DMacks (talk) 06:19, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

It’s not an opinion. It’s obvious Wikipedia has people editing articles for political purposes. People are deliberately hiding public information and deleting it off Wikipedia. Seedub420 (talk) 06:52, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Now I agree with you! GRALISTAIR (talk) 15:40, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

:) DMacks (talk) 19:24, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

I'd like to think that the dispute on this page wasn't so bad that you meant to fully protect it until December... — ^Clyde!_Franklin! 17:40, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

There have been fairly consistent disputes for many years. They have at least recently involved autoconfirmed editors. Therefore long-term protection, and full-prot. I could envision "short-term full, indef-semi", but wikimedia software doesn't support that sort of layering or setting an alarm for expiring protection. The disruption often involves BLP details, so I thought it was better to avoid a lapse in protection, even at the risk of losing an occasional direct good edit that could be handled via edit-request. DMacks (talk) 10:08, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

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I don't know Russian. I use a translator to translate the first part of this article. Can you help correct some mistakes Htmlzycq (talk) 10:52, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi Htmlzycq, thanks for the ping. I wrote a bunch of content from scratch. This isn't quite my field of chemistry, so feel free to edit or add anything else to it. Obviously I'm happy to discuss this or related topics if you like. DMacks (talk) 10:37, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

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About phenylacetone, message rec'd. My edit was aimed at removing the links-in-equation style such that it not be propagated by the students.--Smokefoot (talk) 14:28, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Definitely a good edit. Hopefully Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/The University of British Columbia/CHEM 300 (2) will break the typical wiki-ed trend for science articles. Hoooooopefully. DMacks (talk) 18:39, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

So far so good. The slightly depressing aspect is that the prof's dont do much on Wikipedia. But I am pretty hopeful because one of the UBC people actually responded to my caution, wherein I tried to suppress snottiness.--Smokefoot (talk) 19:19, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

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I dont get the C2h symmetry label mentioned in the abstract, so I assume that that the description is related to the crystallographic symmetry, which I do not understand. But C_2h requires centrosymmetry, which we both agree is not on.--Smokefoot (talk) 17:20, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't think about that larger-scale idea. Thanks! DMacks (talk) 17:22, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

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There is a user named 212.201.44.249 who is recently removing a lot of pages in Wikipedia can you please check him Ppppphgtygd (talk) 21:32, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

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Could you be more specific, User:Ppppphgtygd? I don't see others undoing their edits or raising objections to their edit-summary explanations when they give them. DMacks (talk) 02:20, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

i mean just check him and his sources Ppppphgtygd (talk) 03:44, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

I recognized a problem with their nitrate edits and undid them. But I (still) don't see problems with "lots of pages"; those edits are two weeks ago and their only edits in the past ~month. When you ask someone for help, please don't force that volunteer to do your leg-work and hope that they see whatever you are seeing the same way. DMacks (talk) 04:09, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

thanks that is the thing that I needed Ppppphgtygd (talk) 05:04, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Good morning,

A couple of days ago I made an edition of the Ethyl lauroyl page on WP, and I've seen now that I have this notice:

"Your edit on Ethyl lauroyl arginate was reverted", and that the old version has been restored by The Anome.

I talked a few month ago with the author of the page, and he gave me permision to update the information, that was not correct.

Why has been reverted my edit?

Thank you veru much

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What, and I quote, is a "colonoscopy influencer?" -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 10:29, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

There's a "I'm not going to do your research for you. Go look it up-ass." joke here, but I'm too tired to formulate it well. DMacks (talk) 11:45, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

CU-confirmed and blocked a sock: User:Sharmin1994. Drmies (talk) 16:22, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@Drmies: Lovely (Rocktani1990). Also Raselva2022 (though stale), and 1.236.204.136 and 197.239.81.29 if you want the collectors' set. DMacks (talk) 16:51, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Damn you got one hell of a memory! Drmies (talk) 19:11, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

feh. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Raselva2022 DMacks (talk) 11:31, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello. I saw you updated the Richard Cheese Wikipedia page.

Can you please update the discography to include the new Richard Cheese album "Live From Hollywood" which was released today?

Thank you! 2603:8001:9400:FC00:4506:DF6E:9D35:81A2 (talk) 07:51, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi. If you have the time, can you look at this thing I made in the talk page for APRIL2023? It contains a list of interesting articles I might like to see appear as deletion nominations for this year.

Wikipedia talk:April Fools/April Fools' Day 2023#List of things I'd like to see on AFD2023

Happy April Fools' Day! 172.112.199.166 (talk) 05:02, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Too late. But not something I generally accept from third-party request anyway. DMacks (talk) 03:26, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

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Hi. You just blocked this user, and then this user: User:The official account of me, starts right in where they stopped. Perhaps you could take a look, or do I need to open an SPI? Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:09, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

User:Ergo Sum indef'ed them. But given these are both sleepers, there's something fishy going on, and a CU could help. DMacks (talk) 12:33, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

one is looking... DMacks (talk) 12:35, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello - took a look at this per an IRC request. No real possibility for a rangeblock unfortunately, but I did whack Chelsea_Manning (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki), and will keep an eye out for any more. :) firefly ( t · c ) 12:45, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

I've made an SPI already and reverted all the edits. There seems to be many sleeper accounts, and when they are used, they often revert (undo) constructive edits and abuse the uw-vandalism4 template. It seems fishy. Wesoree (Talk) 13:45, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

also @Firefly thanks for keeping an eye out, it was there since I was waking up. I see the sock's edits as disruptive and also bot-like Wesoree (Talk) 13:47, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

There was additionally one more that came on after User:The official account of me came on, which was User:Lodash missing which was whacked later. I had no idea of what was going on at the time as I was on my way to school anyway. I reverted some of the sock's edits this morning when I woke up and reverted most of the third sock's edits while at school. Wesoree (Talk) 14:45, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

all of them were indef'ed as of now and there seems to be no more sleeper accounts. Wesoree (Talk) 16:55, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

There should be no more moles to whack now since the socks and sleeper accounts owned by Christmas tearjerker were dealt with before they could come out so we don't need to worry, their interesting behaviour was that they were acting like

Cluebot NG or us vandal fighters. Only thing is that we rarely use {{uw-vandalism4}} or {{uw-vandalism4im}}. He was using it by a lot so good thing he got blocked and that all his sleepers were also whacked anyway. Wesoree (Talk

) 17:43, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks everyone for tracking and cleaning up this mess. DMacks (talk) 02:24, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Can you help me edit a Wikipedia page name? 91.74.227.130 (talk) 02:47, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

See

WP:RM. DMacks (talk

) 09:43, 7 April 2023 (UTC)