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Please review this edit. I could not verify suspected copyvio, but the edit summary raises questions about whether the edit should stand. Zefr (talk) 19:34, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

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I can't find close matches for copyvio. But I agree the ES is a problem. It's clearly a school project or similar edit-contest where someone needs to demonstrate that they have made a change. My VPN is not working right now so I can't access the refs to see if they actually support the content. If they do, then I'm ok with it staying. If it's even slightly not, then I'd nuke. DMacks (talk) 19:57, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

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Hello, I thought my edit to be a positive contribution to an even better formulation of the example in terms of mutual influence later. As the statement at the wikipedia page is formulated right now, it appears a bit rediculous to me. I believe this is what I'm trying to say: there's something wrong with the formulation of the 'book on table and the Earth'-example in terms of a pull of the earth on one side and an equal pull of the book on the earth on the other side. I can't remember Newton ever has formulated a comparative example in this way. Jan janman (talk) 06:27, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

The standard formulation of gravity, Newton's law of universal gravitation is that two objects equally pull on each other. DMacks (talk) 04:46, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Your recent help with copyright issues with some of my students is greatly appreciated! I wish I had a tool to identify some of the issues you found, and while I know there are some out there, I have not been able to find a way to gain access to them. Do you have any suggestions or guidance for any tools I can use to monitor edits and try to root out issues if or as they arise? Many thanks. FULBERT (talk) 18:21, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Most copyvio cases are easy, especially for these students because they did follow the guideline about citing their sources. I just checked the cited ref and 'command-F' to find a key few words that the student added. Sometimes google search for a key phrase can find an origin that isn't cited. I don't know of a tool that is generally very useful for sources in journals, because so many of them are not visible without a university subscription. But if you have access to an articles database on a certain topic, searching there can help.

For uncited content, and "softer" problems such as SYNTH and TONE, I don't know of any alternative to simply looking at the edit itself. I've never taught a class that involves wiki-editing before, but from experience seeing other classes' outcomes, the results are often not very good. Encyclopedias are so very different than normal school writing, and so many experienced eyes often catch things that might go less-noticed in other media. I don't have more time today beyond the ones I already commented on your talkpage, but I can check more of the edits later this week if that would be helpful. DMacks (talk) 18:34, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@DMacks Thanks for your reply and suggestions, all of which are appreciated! I am back to offering feedback into my comment with my students and will work your most helpful feedback as a learning opportunity into all of this. Again, I value your feedback to my students and suggestions for them! FULBERT (talk) 18:22, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Can I erase my reply about what I said that was not needed on the conversation? Wikipedia:Teahouse#Introducing_my_parents/family_to_being_a_wikipedianCwater1 (talk) 09:56, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

I am not a hard-core Teahouse participant, so I do not know what their usual guidelines about that are. But I personally don't object. DMacks (talk) 09:59, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

love the choice of colour you put on this banner. its excellent Zekerocks11 (talk) 20:17, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

:) DMacks (talk) 00:53, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

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I’m still learning how to edit correctly. Instead of leaving rude criticism, mind your BUSINESS tf. Naniigray (talk) 03:53, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

We're running an encyclopedia here. Your edits are part of a pattern many of us are observing related to inappropriate content on many fashion-related articles. Best anyone can figure out, there is a class or other project that is promoting all these edits, but the professor or coordinator is not providing you with good guidance. That is leading to widespread disruption on Wikipedia and patience has run out. Please ask them to contact Wikipedia:Education program right away so they can better help you towards success. DMacks (talk) 04:09, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Happy adminship anniversary! Hi DMacks! On behalf of the Birthday Committee, I'd like to wish you a very happy anniversary of your successful request for adminship. Enjoy this special day! CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 07:36, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks CAPTAIN RAJU. On behalf of probably every admin, though, this reminds me to finally ask: WTF was I thinking???? DMacks (talk) 19:19, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

WTF indeed. I didn't realize that we were promoted on the same day. Acroterion (talk) 19:56, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Wow cool! Sadly the editors who nominated us both left within the past year. DMacks (talk) 04:24, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

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Hi DMacks. Can you take another look at the recent contributions for Special:Contributions/85.109.136.232 please? I had occasion to check based on their recent chemistry-related question at the Teahouse. I note that you had blocked them for 31 hours recently. Now I've reverted a couple more of their useless contributions, for example this addition of a non-reference. I also find it odd that they have been adding to six User Pages, all of currently-blocked sockpuppets. Meanwhile I'll continue to delve into other edits they have made in article space with a view to reverting anything else they shouldn't have been doing. Thanks. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:39, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

I blocked for a week based on their direct article edits. Looking at the other talk-page edits, I don't see any relationship among the blocked accounts to tie this one to them as evasion. I agree it's weird though. But if you do see a connection among any of them that were active within the past few months (such as multiple socks of the same master, or socks whose edits are analogous to this IP's), I know who to ask about checking it more detail. DMacks (talk) 05:17, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

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No worries. I obviously do watch the WikiProject Chemistry talkpage and other related ones, though I often don't jump into discussions that seem to have already covered what I would say. Freezer loaded up, let me know if you need any for other purposes. They are a good side dish for

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DMacks, could you protect pages Dichlorodifluoromethane and Selenium dioxide for prevention of vandalism (non-constructive edits)?

85.109.136.232 (talk) 21:51, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Please ignore that request. We are having a discussion at User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull#External_links which may or may not be progress..... Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:04, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Keep be updated if you need any third-eyes or admin help. DMacks (talk) 18:34, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Seems likely to be the LTA that you mentioned. User:79.71.70.53 --Smokefoot (talk) 18:47, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Ayup. Gone. DMacks (talk) 18:53, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Why did you remove the section of an article that I put down there? Bopit1998 (talk) 13:40, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Actually, I found my chalk page, and I put a response, and I know why you did it. You have to forgive me. It was late at night. I was literally about to go to bed. I always play didn’t think about the sausage. If you can leave it up there, I promise I will find some credible sources. It was my idea to put the article up there in the first place, and it’s my responsibility to find credible sources. I’m sorry if I caused any problems. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bopit1998 (talk • contribs) 13:59, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

No worry, no hurry. I responded on your talkpage. DMacks (talk) 17:33, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks for catching the vandal harassing me. He'll be back but whatever. Yours. MurrayGreshler (talk) 03:52, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

I would assume so. You know where ANI and AIV are if you need them. DMacks (talk) 03:53, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

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Hi DMacks, I don't know if this is the correct tool to talk to you as its my first time working on Wikipedia (CAS Registry Number). I added the actual number of valid cas numbers I calculated with a python script and you deleted it because it was not from a reliable source. By that standard you would have to delete lot of information on Wikipedia. The same article states that 1 billion CAS numbers are possible but the same article states that only some of them are valid. This information has no citation and is also wrong. Should we then also delete the information about the billion CAS numbers? Is it possible to provide the code to provide a source that could be checked? This type of information I could not find anywhere else, thats why I wrote the script.

Freespam (talk) 13:00, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

I recall you asked me about organopolonium back in 2020 (which I then created as a stub), so I guess my recent creation of organoastatine chemistry might interest you. :) There is some detailed knowledge there (and some reviews), but I just started a stub first.

I don't think there are many more that are actually missing (other elements without individual organometallic articles mostly are already sections in a more general article), but some could well have their own articles (e.g. organothallium). There are a few known organokryptons and organoargons, but I don't recall seeing a review article yet (while there are such for organopolonium and organoastatine). Double sharp (talk) 07:04, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Cool! Thanks for the note. {{ChemicalBondsToCarbon}} is a nice nav-box. Should we have redirects to the relevant section if there isn't a stand-alone article? Help:Link_color#Redirect is then a nice tool if to indicate which ones are actual vs redirects in that navbox. DMacks (talk) 07:39, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

In some cases we do, e.g. "CTl" (thallium) links to Organogallium chemistry#Higher group 13 organometallic chemistry. Almost all the lanthanides send you to Organolanthanide chemistry: I think this is fine (because a recent review also considers them all together), but that article surely needs expansion. For the actinides we have organoactinide chemistry linked to for most of them, even for the ones where no such chemistry is actually known (although, since variation of properties is much greater among 5f elements than among 4f elements, maybe more of them should become real articles; in particular maybe for Th a better target is Thorium compounds#Organometallic compounds). I'm not sure if it actually makes sense to have the template give any link at all for "Lr" when there aren't any known organolawrencium compounds (for obvious reasons) and nobody has actually investigated any. Then we have a "CSg" for seaborgium which is necessary pedantry: exactly one compound is known and there's no hope of ever having a real article for the foreseeable future (though maybe that should link to Seaborgium#Experimental chemistry?).

The funny thing is that I found enough sources that I now think organohelium chemistry makes sense as a computational-chemistry article. Even though no such compounds are actually known. Double sharp (talk) 07:53, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

I spent a while in grad-school doing computations on alkylargon (or alkylneon, can't remember anymore) to simulate hydrophobic-protein binding regions. Nothing publishable came of it. DMacks (talk) 08:29, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

I'm still hoping that someone will eventually make the argon fluoride salts Frenking predicted in 1989. Or find helium acting as a bad alkaline earth metal in the way hydrogen acts as a bad alkali metal – in fact that's exactly what is calculated for high-pressure helium when it metallises. Actually I agree with Wojciech Grochala that the "right" place for helium on the periodic table is in group 2 (in the sense that one puts H in group 1), but I suspect most will not be quite so convinced to move it! :D

Anyway, I'm convinced that organothorium deserves an article, though I'm less convinced about other actinides (except U and Np where we already have articles – amazingly little is known for Pu despite its notoriety). Once again I find myself wishing that protactinium got more love. :( Double sharp (talk) 08:47, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

I created organothorium chemistry by copying over from Thorium compounds (it can be expanded beyond that, but this is an OK start). No plans for other actinides.

I'll probably write the noble-gas ones soon. Double sharp (talk) 09:50, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

I made permastubs for

organoargon chemistry. Organohelium probably still to come (as purely computational chemistry). I couldn't find any studies on organoneon structures. Double sharp (talk

) 14:00, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

And it's certainly not "organic", but you might like

doi:10.1016/j.apradiso.2014.07.011, which predicts that ArO₄ might be metastable and possible to synthesise via β⁻ decay of ³⁸ClO₄⁻. This sort of decay technique

has been suggested for making organoheliums too – almost always the result from decay of tritiated organics is a carbocation with the ³He leaving as a neutral atom, but it ought to occasionally stay behind.

I suspect it'd be worth trying to make Kr(IV) and Kr(VI) oxoacids via decay of bromates, but as much fun as it would be to make kryptonites for real, that moves straight into OR territory. Double sharp (talk) 14:05, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Well, organoargon is at AfD. Double sharp (talk) 16:27, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Hope I'm not bludgeoning too much there, but I keep thinking of new search terms, or tracing a ref's cites or what-cites-it. Managed to push back to late 1970s and up to 2022, with a bunch of different lines of research, including practical (even if niche, obviously) applications and specifcally about Ar rather than all NGs. DMacks (talk) 05:11, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi,

I noticed that my account was blocked after a warning I did not read before (I know, my fault) so I hope we could leave it to a final warning with me refraining from edits that violate copyright.

Countrymaster Countrymaster (talk) 17:50, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

@Countrymaster: what account (or which specific wikipedia site) are you talking about? DMacks (talk) 17:55, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Countrymaster Countrymaster (talk) 17:59, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Not sure if you are the right admin to do this though. Countrymaster (talk) 18:10, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

@Countrymaster You are not blocked, or you would have been unable to add content here. You have been warned that adding copyright material may result in a block if repeated. You will be annoying a whole group of admins by adding the same message as you did here to their Talk Pages! Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:15, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

I understood. Countrymaster (talk) 18:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Blocked I meant was at the commons page. Countrymaster (talk) 18:17, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

People missed that that's why the confusion. Countrymaster (talk) 18:19, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying. If you're blocked on commons, you'll need to discuss it on commons. When users are blocked on a single site, they almost always still are able to write on their own talkpage on that site (commons:User talk:Countrymaster, the same place where the warnings and block-notice are). DMacks (talk) 18:45, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Whatever you celebrate at this time of year, whether it's Christmas or some other festival, I hope you and those close to you have a happy, restful time! Have fun, Donner60 (talk) 00:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)}}

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@Donner60: Thanks! DMacks (talk) 05:27, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

DMacks Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, RV (talk) 07:30, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

@RAJIVVASUDEV: Thanks! DMacks (talk) 12:10, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Where does it say articles deleted at AFD can't exist as redlinks? Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:39, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

MOS:DAB to include entries for which there is no reasonably close article on the topic at this time, since DAB are designed as a reader tool to help navigate to articles. DMacks (talk

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