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Hello,

I have run across your user name several times now during my work with the Account Creation Improvement Project. I don't know how much you have followed the development of that project, so I'll direct you to this edit for some background. My question is, do you have time to make some of the designs better-looking? With your talents in writing MediaWiki pages with special looks, it seems that you would a very good person to help out. The primary thing now is making this page look better. Anything you can do to help is appreciated.

Best wishes, Hannibal (talk) 15:14, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

I'll be glad to help, tell me what you're looking for—image mockups, on-wiki mockups, etc., and what should be in the software and what should be actually wikicoded. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 00:18, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh, great!

We have some mockups that I did. I am not a designer, by a long shot, so it looks really bad, but I hope that you can understand what we are trying to accomplish. As we cannot change the software (it takes too much tech support), we will have to work with html and css and possibly javascript to create the effect we are after. I am working with a guy who have started on a javascript form that we can use instead of the edit box solution I have on the page I linked to above. So what would be fantastic, would be if you could make the design, in MediaWiki, for the page. You don't have to bother with Step 1, but concentrate on making the other steps, including Step 4 (the resulting user page) as good looking as possible.

If at all possible, could we talk about this, perhaps on Skype, soon?

Best wishes, Hannibal (talk) 07:17, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

I may be able to chat on IRC later this week (Friday or Saturday); Skype doesn't work well because neither my computer's microphone nor webcam seem to work consistently. I'll see what I can come up with for the pages. Cheers, /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 16:32, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Wonderful. How about a meeting on Friday, depending on our mutual timezones. I am in UTC+2 (Gothenburg), and can work during the day, up until 8 in the evening. After that I have a visitor. Or on Saturday, we can find a time.//Hannibal (talk) 18:08, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

OK, I suck at time zone conversions, but I'm in UTC-5, and I won't be available until ~00:00 UTC on Friday (not sure about times on Saturday yet). However, I may be able to do 16:00 UTC-ish (give or take a few minutes) Friday—does that work for you? I might have lunch plans then, but it's unlikely, and I'll have about one–two hours at that time. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 18:13, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Sure, 16 UTC on Friday sounds like a plan, but I have a guest at 17, so we'll keep it pretty short. It will be good to "talk" to you though. Do you have a preference where we chat?//Hannibal (talk) 11:45, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't really care either way. I don't know if you want public (#wikimedia-outreach?) or private (I have ##fetchcomms, or if you have a channel, we can use that). Cheers, /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 21:41, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh, this is not secret, so #wikimedia-outreach works fine. I'll try to join in a few minutes early. See you tomorrow.//Hannibal (talk) 22:37, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your designs

Thanks again for the designs on this project. They were beautiful. Just so you don't miss this, I started working on a variant of the page you did here. Feel free to tweak and change it and comment on it as much as you want. Best wishes, Hannibal (talk) 20:42, 9 May 2011 (UTC) (ps. sorry for not being able to talk this Sunday. This computer crash is really slowing me down to about 1/3 of my usual speed :-(...)

Don't worry about it, my computer regularly acts stupid, too :) /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 17:15, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Accolade

Sorry for not writing sooner, but I wanted to tell you that everyone that has seen your designs have commented very favorable on them. "Looks really good", "amazing", "gorgeous" and "great" are just four descriptions. As you can see here, here and here (and don't forget the links from the last page), I have used almost everything you created. So thank you!

I do have one question: could you create the progress bar for the third step (the user page) as well? I have tried to adapt the second one, but I just can't seem to get the hang of it :-s

Thanks in advance.

Best wishes//Hannibal (talk) 16:59, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! For the progress bar on the third step, I don't think it looks the best if saved directly on the user page, so what you could do is, in outreach:MediaWiki:Common.js, add &editintro=User%3AFetchcomms%2Fdraft%2Fei after the &action=submit. That way, the progress bar will show up as an editnotice so the user can see it, but it won't be saved onto the user page. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 17:09, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

That was quick. Great. I'll try that.//Hannibal (talk) 17:13, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

After taking a more thorough look at this page where the tab bar is still highlighted on "About me" when you're on "Getting started". How do change that?//Hannibal (talk) 12:55, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

OK, so you'll need to add some conditional statements in the code so it detects which subpage it's on and changes color accordingly. If you aren't sure what I mean I can do it later today in a few hours (have to run now). /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 12:57, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Either that, or you do the easy way, with several versions with different colours :-) I tried this method and couldn't get the colours to work.

By the way, do you think we should keep the links in the progress bar? During the "production" stage it was a nice feature, but do we want the new users to click on those?//Hannibal (talk) 13:05, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Ideally, there would be some way for them to return back one step if they messed up, so I don't know exactly how it will be set up in the end (javascript?), but the link to the next step(s) don't really need to be there. I'll take a look soon, cheers. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 14:25, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Some more CSS work

Hello,

After trying out the design on MediaWiki.org (something I probably should have done on the test wiki), I discovered that there is a problem with moving your design to English Wikipedia (namely here). What happens is that the box at the top pushes the form downward, while the box itself is empty. I tried taking out the end |} to see if I could get the box to continue, but it didn't work. So I asked Sertion. He said that either we would have to edit the Mediawiki code (which is not an option at this point), or we could give the existing frame around "Create account" rounded corners and a small shadow, and then put the text ("What would you like to be called on Wikipedia? Choose a user name and a password.") at the top of that, and move the form a little further down with CSS. He thought that you could do it. Is that possible?

Here is the Mediawiki code for the entire page. The page that guides where the box starts is named somewhere in that code. Can you help me find it and start working on CSS that would solve this problem?

Thanks in advance//Hannibal (talk) 17:34, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Hm, OK, I think I understand what's happening. Personally, I think that revamping the entire account creation process would be better (simply because I don't like the how MediaWiki's default account creation system is set up), but as we can't do that right now, I'll see how to get around it. Give me a little bit to play around (on my own local "testwiki") and I'll see what looks best. Cheers, /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 17:43, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! You're a great friend!//Hannibal (talk) 18:24, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

OK, here is what I have right now. It only works for Vector (haven't messed with the monobook tweaks) but that should be OK because the default skin is Vector (except I have to see if it affects users helping at

WP:ACC

still).

#userlogin {
 margin:0; width:90% !important; max-width:100% !important; padding:1.5em;  padding-top:0.75em !important; border:0; -moz-box-shadow: inset 0 0px 10px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.35); -webkit-box-shadow:  inset 0 0px 10px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.35); box-shadow: inset 0 0px 10px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.35); -moz-border-radius: 7px; -webkit-border-radius: 7px; border-radius: 7px; background:white; background: #fff; background: -moz-linear-gradient(bottom, #fff 90%, #F5F5F5 100%); background: -webkit-gradient(linear, left bottom, left top, color-stop(90%,#fff), color-stop(100%,#F5F5F5)); background: -webkit-linear-gradient(bottom, #fff 90%,#F5F5F5 100%); background: -o-linear-gradient(bottom, #fff 90%,#F5F5F5 100%); background: -ms-linear-gradient(bottom, #fff 90%,#F5F5F5 100%); background: linear-gradient(bottom, #fff 90%,#fff 100%);
 }

<hr />
<div style="background:#A7D7F9; margin-top:10px; margin-left:10px; padding:0px 10px; width:250px; float:right;">
'''You can also become a part of Wikipedia!'''

[[File:{{#switch:{{#expr:{{NUMBEROFEDITS:R}} mod 2}}|1=Abbasjnr Wikimedia Video.tiff|0=Lila Wikimedia video.png}}|250px]]

<span style="font-size:90%; line-height:1.3em;">Wikipedia is created by people like you and me. By adding what you know, you are helping countless others find "[[:en:Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia|the sum of all human knowledge]]". Thank you!<br /></span>
</div>
<div style="background:transparent; font-family:Calibri, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size:12px;">
<span style="font-size:34px; color:#000; line-height:1em;">'''What would you like to be called on Wikipedia?'''</span>

<span style="font-size:18px; color:#555;">Choose a user name and a password.</span>

<hr />
<div style="font-size:14px;">
'''Registering a free account takes only a few seconds and has [[Wikipedia:Why create an account?|many benefits]].''' Simply choose a [[Wikipedia:Username policy|username]] and password and (optionally) enter your email address, then click "create account". 

To help protect against automated account creation, please enter the words that appear below in the box, without any spaces. ([[Special:Captcha/help|more info]])

Unable to see the image? Please request that an account [[Wikipedia:Request an account|be created for you]].
</div>
</div>

{{User:Fetchcomms/draft/bc|1}}

I'm not a mediawiki-wiki admin or a testwiki admin so I can't try this, but it seemed to work fine on my personal wiki. Can you try this and get a screenshot for me on Vector, and then I'll see if we need to adapt it to monobook/other skins, too? Thanks! /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 19:15, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

And here's the result. I didn't bother to enter the progress bar code to the test wiki (and it's at the bottom), and there is a loose "signupstart" at the top of the page that I don't know if it's from your code or something they have on the test wiki. Otherwise it seems to work very well! Good work.

Since everyone that has not changed their settings have Vector, and you cannot change your settings unless you have an account, you will already have an account if you have any other skin than Vector. But I guess that it could happen that someone wants another account for some reason. But don't concentrate on that until we this working, please. And again, thanks and well done!//Hannibal (talk) 21:06, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

OK, the signupstart thing is from testwiki:MediaWiki:Signupstart. I don't know if that works on en-wiki (it doesn't on my personal wiki, but I'm running an older version of MediaWiki. so maybe that's why). In the case that we can use MediaWiki:Signupstart here, I would put the progress bar at the top, then. Also, I would add a sentence or two at the bottom then saying, "Don't use company names, don't use your real name if you don't want everyone seeing it", etc. But the screenshot looks good to me, so I think it works. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 21:20, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

New problem

Here is the strange result from the first version. Can you help me finding the solution? This should look like this (with the form below). Thanks in advance//Hannibal (talk) 11:51, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, if there was the global sitenotice up, I think that means he wasn't logged out then—so there would be no captcha, and therefore no captcha stuff using the fancycaptcha mediawiki pages. I changed MediaWiki:Customusertemplate-ACP1:Fancycaptcha-createaccount a little, can you or Philippe try again without being logged in initially? /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 16:37, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, don't I have egg on my face... But, there's another thing: do you know how to "hide" the full, long adress to for instance: MediaWiki:Customusertemplate-ACP2:Welcomecreation? See MediaWiki:common.css for our first try.//Hannibal (talk) 21:29, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

My (wild) guess is that interface pages can't have their titles hidden, but I'll play around a bit. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 21:54, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. It seems that they had a similar problem during the fundraiser. It was they who suggested the latest change I made on the common.css page, but apparently it didn't take.//Hannibal (talk) 22:14, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm about 99% sure that MediaWiki blocks the "body.page- ..." thing for interface pages (and some other namespaces, too—it didn't seem to work for the user: namespace, either). I may have a workaround, I'm testing it now. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 01:46, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Common.css

At MediaWiki talk:Common.css, there's two questions for you.//Hannibal (talk) 20:41, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Unhiding text

Hello,

After all you've done, I hesitate to ask, but you've proved so kind that I feel that I can at least ask.

In the ACP2 test, I have managed to hide too much of the title of the page. If you for instance look at MediaWiki:Customusertemplate-ACP2-welcomecreation it doesn't say that you should pick the subject you are most interested in, since the code says display:none. Now, my question is if there is an easy way to write anything you want using that code, or if there is another way of solving that problem.

Best wishes//Hannibal (talk) 13:27, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

You can ask me anything, anytime :). Unfortunately, DISPLAYTITLE cannot change the title to anything other than the actual title (MediaWiki:Customusertemplate-ACP2-welcomecreation)—you can only change how "MediaWiki:Customusertemplate-ACP2-welcomecreation" appears, like hiding certain letters or changing the color, size, etc. There is a way to do this using javascript, which is

WP:VPT. Cheers, /ƒETCHCOMMS/

19:51, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Thank you very much. I'll ask over at Common.js first and take it from there.//Hannibal (talk) 20:15, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for starting the RfC, I just wanted to point out that the opening summary will continue until the first signature (take a look at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wikipedia policies and guidelines). Since you created the RfC, it would only be right that you sign it. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 13:47, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up, I've signed it now. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 16:47, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I think I agree with all of the proposals. How involved would the developers' tasks be? Tony (talk) 16:17, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the technical aspects of this would involve yet, although I am trying to ask a few devs to participate in the discussion. But I think writing up the code shouldn't be too hard (given that these are all features that other major websites have in place), once consensus is formed. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 16:49, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

K, to me, the devil is in the detail, and if you know the developers' side of the story, that will be a great advantage in shepherding the community along the right route. Tony (talk) 17:39, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

To help me think about some certain things, I want to to block me for 24 hours, account creation blocked and autoblock disabled. Also do the same to my public account. Use the block summary: user requested (with a link to this discussion. Crazymonkey1123 (Jacob) ^{T or M}/_{Sign mine} 00:28, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Why not just use the

WikiBreak Enforcer script? Logan _Talk ^{Contributions}

00:30, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

It's not working. Crazymonkey1123 (Jacob) ^{T or M}/_{Sign mine} 00:43, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi, this is to let everyone who has expressed an interest in the topic that the discussion to arrive at a consensus has been opened at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/dash drafting, with discussion taking place at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/dash_drafting/discussion. Apologies if you have already commented there, or have seen the discussion and chosen not to comment. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:58, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

I just wanted to take a minute to thank you very much for supporting me in my recent RfA. Even though it was unsuccessful, I appreciate your trust. With much gratitude, jsfouche ☽☾Talk 01:55, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Hello Fetchcomms, could you please delete

Deleted, but {{db-g7}} or {{db-u1}} still do work there. Although the template does not show, the category still appears. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 22:37, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Greetings, I am just following up with some of the participating parties on the status of the request for getting Portal United States to Featured status. Do you have any ideas about whats left to be completed? --

Hello, Fetchcomms. You have new messages at Rcsprinter123's talk page.
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Worm^TT · (talk) 08:27, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi, just wanted to inform you that I have added Slovenian with Croatian on Luka Šulić page, since he obviusly holds Slovenian passport according to this link http://www.delo.si/clanek/138560

Best regards--Eversman (talk) 13:59, 10 June 2011 (UTC).