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Classic book

Fetchcomms -

Would like any feedback/hints/tips for the Classic book article I resurrected from its previous incarnation as a stub of sorts.

And congratulations on your nomination.

Thanks!Shearonink (talk) 03:58, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Very, very nice job! A few things: make sure that all the references are filled in--you still have a few plain links without author/date/publisher/title/etc. information. Also, I would change the "Quotes" section into a paragraph. Something like

The definition of a classic book varies among several prominent literary figures. American poet Ezra Sound said, "A classic is classic not because it conforms to certain structural rule, or fits certain definitions (of which its author had quite probably never heard). It is classic because of a certain eternal and irrepressible freshness." ....

You get the idea--just make it into prose, not a list of quotes (and remove the bold for that section). Lastly, you might want to use {{
WP:MOS, but it looks very good otherwise. fetch·comms
13:40, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestions. Have done your suggested tweaks, would appreciate your taking another look when you get the chance. Am hoping the article might now be worthy of a slightly higher 'class'-ratings on the two WikiProjects (Books and HIstory). And I'm going to go ahead and probably ask a pretty dumb question here...I'm having a hard time figuring out what the {{cite book}} actually means regarding the book sources and (c) Person?... Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 05:06, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Cite book is like cite web--you plug in the information for the source and it generates the reference. So instead of writing out the whole book ref, you would do {{cite book|last=Smith|first=John|title=The title|year=2008|publisher=Publishers, Inc.|isbn=XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX|pages=24}}. fetch·comms 17:47, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

I *think* I've now fixed all the references. Thought you'd like to know that the quotes are completely gone. An ISP editor (58.169.10.1) came by and deleted the two I had left at the end of the article....kinda funny, they knew it didn't fit the tone of Wikipedia and yet they're not a registered-user... Nothing lost though...I had already integrated the Ezra Pound quote into the article (per your suggestion) and the Mark Twain quote had been in the article from the beginning. I've posted a request for Feedback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_feedback/2010_July_7) but no hits there yet. Shearonink (talk) 12:03, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Ernest Veuve

RlevseTalk 06:03, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Edwin L. Elwood

RlevseTalk 12:02, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

RfA !vote

Just letting you know that I've happily moved to the support column, I'm sure you'll make a great administrator!  -- Lear's Fool 15:20, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Henry Newman (Medal of Honor)

RlevseTalk 18:03, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Adoption assignment #1

I've created

19:15, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Right, I've completed the assesment in that I have created an article and nominated it for DYK. What now? Do I need to make it pass? Rock drum Ba-dumCrash 16:39, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
It's not ready for DYK.... The DYK rules state that the article must be at least 1500 characters in length, but this article is only half that. fetch·comms 17:09, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Ok, so what do you want me to do then? Rock drum Ba-dumCrash 17:43, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Try writing another article, make it DYK-eligible, and then submit that. fetch·comms 03:39, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

NTR Foundation

The above new article is about an organization which was launched with the support an appearance as keynote speaker of former US president Bill Clinton. Perhaps this is a fact you might be interested in molding into a

WP:DYK nomination. I would but do not currently have the time necessary to do it right. In case you were interested. Regards. My76Strat (talk
) 20:20, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Early Congrats!

Congratulations! ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 01:37, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

I love to beat people to things, especially when I don't really care, except I just want to make sure that they feel sad that I beat them!

Congrats.

mono
01:52, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

First is the worst, second is a pest, third is the one with the treasure chest

Congrats. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 04:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

I wonder what that makes 4th...

Congratulations at getting the tools. Mr. R00t Talk 18:25, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Without trying to be a brown noser. Good job Fetchcomms, knew you'd become one someday.--White Shadows There goes another day 02:30, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Solon D. Neal

RlevseTalk 06:03, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

RFA Thank spam

Thank you for voting in my RfA, which failed with 10 support, 26 oppose, and 13 neutral. Your comments were much appreciated.

--White Shadows There goes another day 17:33, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Probably

I probably thought I probably should let you know that

talk · contribs) was probably a sock-puppet, and blocked. Probably. Cheers,  Chzz  ► 
18:52, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Frederick S. Neilon

RlevseTalk • 00:03, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Your RfA

Looks like you're going for a clean sweep! Hope I don't jinx it but, I just wanted to be the first to say congrats :) œ 06:20, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Seconded! :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 06:26, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
urm, you're like 7th. look up. monosock 17:59, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Oh... right... I didn't see that coming. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 18:25, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Doh! -- œ 23:28, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

If only this glorious moment came earlier... Anyway, congrats, and good luck with your new mop that should be arriving shortly. ~

NerdyScienceDude (
) 00:58, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, congratulations! There will be more friendly page stalkers coming your way

talk
) 03:55, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Good luck with the mop and bucket! I'm sure you'll use them well :) Airplaneman Review? 05:03, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 Yo 
06:08, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Add my congrats on your unanimous Rfa... great job! Jusdafax 10:06, 9 July 2010 (UTC)


Woohoo! Hurray!! Congrats once again!! Dwayne was here! 20:13, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Presents a cake. Congratulations Fetchcomms. Spitfire19 T/C 17:18, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Images

Those tags may be deprecated here, but not on Hebrew Wikipedia, where they are originally from. What can we do?--RM (Be my friend) 01:29, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but I have no account on Commons, and have never uploaded media there. We need to paste one of those tags that says to copy it to commons, and then delete it on Wikipedia.--RM (Be my friend) 01:50, 9 July 2010 (UTC)


Alright, I have found new tags for each image.--RM (Be my friend) 02:24, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Congrats

You are now and administrator. Good luck using the tools and always feel free to ask for help! MBisanz talk 06:09, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations!

Try not to break it.

(Please don't block me!)

 Chzz  ►  08:22, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Um...... I disagree. (del/undel) 23:09, 8 July 2010 MBisanz (talk | contribs | block) changed rights for User:Fetchcomms from Account creators, IP block exemptions, Reviewers and Rollbackers to IP block exemptions ‎ (per Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Fetchcomms). Congratulations on your demotion instead? :) --Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 10:03, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
There, you should actually be an administrator now! Enjoy. --Deskana (talk) 11:16, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Congratulations! I'm sure you'll make a fine admin. Let me know if I can be of any assistance, now get to work! ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:00, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Congrats fetch, and don't worry about breaking anything I'm sure Chzz will beat you to it....
powwow
15:40, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Heh, I was wondering if I would be 'cratted by accident as that's happened before... I'm not big on thank spam, but thanks all! fetch·comms 15:57, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Late congrats- good job. -Tommy! [message] 17:56, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Later congrats from me, too! TFOWR 20:20, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
You earned it. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 20:25, 9 July 2010 (UTC)


) 20:51, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

You run an RfA and don't even

tell me? That hurts. ~ Amory (utc
) 20:49, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Reminder

Hi! This message is just a friendly reminder that you signed up to participate in the GOCE Backlog Elimination Drive. I noticed that you haven't logged a single copy edit yet. We'd love to see you participate! The drive runs three more weeks so there's still plenty of time to earn barnstars. Thanks! --Diannaa TALK 21:41, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

John H. Foley

This article which you recently nominated at DYK has an issue that needs to be addressed. Thanks, Gatoclass (talk) 13:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Questions concerning resubmission to articles for Creation

Hi, Back in May, I submitted a Chicanery (album) page to Articles for Creation. The page contained a fair use album cover image entitled “Low_Res_Cropped_Chicanery_Cover_Color.jpg”. The album page submission was rejected due to there not having been a page for the band at the time, and the file became orphaned and was deleted.

Since then, I have completed the band page, Chicanery, and that page is now live. Could you possibly retrieve the above album cover image, or should I upload the image all over again when I resubmit the album page to Articles for Creation? Also, should I resubmit the album page to Articles for Creation as if it were an entirely new submission at this point? Doc2234 (talk) 19:08, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I can restore the image, but the album page needs to go live first, before we can use copyrighted images. You can also reupload it, it doesn't really matter (but the article still needs to be created first). And, you can just paste in all your updated album submission into the original page and add {{subst:AFC submission/submit}} to the top of it, or you can just make a whole new submission. Again, doesn't really matter. Cheers, fetch·comms 01:22, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
  • I will resubmit the album page to Articles for Creation, today.
You also flagged the three images that I used for the Chicanery band page as not having adequate documentation to support the license. I do have emails that provide permission from the owners, and I will forward those to the address you gave me, today also. I do have a security issue for one of the sets of email. Could we go offline with that issue prior to my sending in the full email record that I have? I will try to email you. Doc2234 (talk) 12:54, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
  • I just resubmitted the Chicanery (album) page to Articles for Creation, and I submitted copies of the emails that document permission for the files used on the Chicanery band page. Doc2234 (talk) 18:05, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas H. Forsyth

RlevseTalk 00:03, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Your last question in Connormah's RFA

Generally, I think candidates are asked too many questions but your last one there asking the candidate to "oppose himself" is clever. A few editors have asked me to go for the mop. So far I have declined because I can think of some very strong opposes for myself and I've yet come up with a good rebuttal to any of them.

Also, it reminds me of an idea I once had about asking RFA candidates to "write for the enemy". Example, asking an "ultra deletionist" to make a "keep" argument for a hypothetical AFD on something "crufty" like a minor fictional character or someone who is against the use of non-free images to make a "keep" arguments for a screenshot from a movie. Doing so would show if the candidate understands the thoughts and motivations of those with views he opposes and is still able to assume good faith. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:27, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, your idea is probably better than what I did simply because it does what you noted at the end--understanding different viewpoints while still AGFing. Would it be OK if I used that question in the future (I sort of stole the oppose yourself one from an anonymous user)? fetch·comms 02:31, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
No problem, but keep the "oppose yourself" one. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Move protection

The "semi-move-protection" you put on your user page is pointless; only autoconfirmed users can move pages anyways :) PleaseStand (talk) 04:30, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

FYI. And congrats on the mop!
talk
) 04:35, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks guys... I guess I was so tired that I didn't even notice I was clicking that x_x. fetch·comms 17:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

FYI

They do exist: Wikipedia:Database reports/Indefinitely blocked IPs, even though indef blocking an IP is, of course, very rare. Nsk92 (talk) 04:30, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I've never stumbled across any before, excepting the old AOL proxy blocks. Reading the list is interesting, though, especially Gurch's username block. fetch·comms 17:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Support

My attention was diverted because of the 3rd Wikipedia Drama Out, a 5 day campaign of article writing and not participating in ANI or other wikispace drama. I promised you my support and give it even though I missed your RFA train, which already left the station. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 19:27, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

My comment at Connormah's RFA

I'd like to know for future reference, was that comment honestly bad judgment on my part?--White Shadows I ran away from you 00:07, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Seemed fine to me. I was just trying to clarify my stand, not say anything on yours. fetch·comms 02:26, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
OK thanks for letting me know :)--White Shadows I ran away from you 02:30, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Type message title here

Thanks so much for your help. I've added a few articles, but I've never added one that needed a disambiguation. I know you're super busy, but I'd love to learn now to do so, so that I don't have to bother people anymore.

Again, thanks for helping a relative newbie!

Miss Ivonne (talk) 23:14, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I've already listed it on Crime and Punishment (disambiguation), and the title has the (play) bit, so I'd call it all disambiguated now. fetch·comms 23:25, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Type message title here

Thanks a million!

Miss Ivonne (talk) 00:11, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Ping!

You have mail. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:48, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Oops

Sorry 'bout that. I realize that should not actually have been uploaded. As you said here it does not show any proof. Realized after I went to dinner that it shouldn't have been uploaded. Mr. R00t Talk 05:00, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


Hi

Why Nanak Shahi bricks ? what happened to the building pic ?  Jon Ascton  (talk) 11:08, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

The image was deleted, so I removed the broken link from the article. fetch·comms 21:19, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Changes to edit filter 339

Hey Fetchcomms,

First, thanks for the {{

editprotected}} and congrats on the sysop-ing. I wanted to leave a comment about this change to edit filter 339. Using lcase eats up the condition limit (or so i have been told) and using the ugly regex is a more efficent way of doing the same thing. We dont really have to worry about the length of the filters code, rather the efficency. Because of this, I reverted one of your versions of the filter, back to your version that included Lesbian (good idea by the way). Thanks, Tim1357 talk
11:51, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

OK, no problem. I'm still trying to learn how the coding works and all, and
Tim Song recommended the lcase method. In any case, are things like "homo" or "fag" covered in other filters that you know of, or should that be added to this one too? fetch·comms
21:22, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Hmm thats weired. Shirik recomended the regex method. In any case, yes, fag and homo are covered in other filters (although off the top of my head I couldnt tell you which). The reasoning behind 339 is that the words "gay" and "homosexuall" are appropriate, when the subject is actually gay. Fag and homo, however, are rarely appropriate. Tim1357 talk 23:54, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
OK, no probs. Need a revdelete? :P fetch·comms 23:56, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Hah, not at the moment. In fact, I hardly know what they are. Tim1357 talk 23:58, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

But there is something else: I was wondering if you would help me with a bot project I was working on. I need an admin because it involves downloading the wikitext of deleted articles, which I of course cannot do. Tim1357 talk 00:00, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Sure, if you tell me what needs to be done. fetch·comms 00:02, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Well here is what I was thinking of doing: I want to have a bot patroll new pages and tag those that are blatantly vandalism, or attack pages. I was planning on using the
AI. One "teaches" the engine by feeding it text, allong with a tag (good/bad for example). After a few rounds of this, the engine is suprisingly good. I have already made a list of pages deleted as G3, so all you would have to do is run a script to download their wikitext. Of course, that would mean allowing the script to log in as you. You can review the code before running it, or ask annother to look it over for you, to be sure the script wont do anything malicious. If you are at all uncomfortable with this, It will be no insult to me if you decline. Cheers, Tim1357 talk
00:15, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Few quick questions--how many pages, how long (can I do it today or tomorrow?), am I saving the pages onwiki or not, and is this allowed (or specifically banned)? Thanks, fetch·comms 00:34, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
As many as you care to do, the more the better. Remember that its a script so you just have to start it. I havent writen the script yet, so this was just a test to see if you were willing, it would be in a few weeks when I get back home. No, you would be emailing the pages to me because its easier and I dont think you are allowed to save them to the wiki. Finally, I do not know of any rule banning this, but I have been wrong before. Ill ask arround. Tim1357 talk 00:41, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
As long as it's OK (I'd ask the BAG or maybe even ArbCom), I can do it. fetch·comms 00:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Im on the BAG, and there isnt really a problem with it in terms of bot policy. Ill find the time to ask at the Admins Noticeboard sometime. Tim1357 talk 09:17, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deleted subjects that are notable

Hi Fetchcomms. I've come across a contrubtion history that includes the nomination of numerous notable article subjects for deletion. Many of the articles themselves were in poor shape (many were created years ago when standards were different) so they got speedied, but many of the subjects are notable or can be merged. How do I go about getting them restored so they can be fixed properly? There seems to be resistance to using DRV, even though the article subjects shouldn't have been speedily deleted in the first place.

Also, I can't see the article histories without having them restored. I'm not out to ruffle feathers, but I hate to see the work of others lost or destroyed by a series of mistakes that can be easily rectified. It's troubling to me that I'm being attacked for trying to fix things that are broken and that the focus for many isn't on what's best for the encyclopedia, but if there's a more discrete way to go about the process I'm certainly open to it. I suppose userfication is one route, but then the workload is totally on me and this is supposed to be a collaborative enterprise. Is there some other way to go about getting them properly worked up, merged etc? Perhaps involving the article rescue squadron? Freakshownerd (talk) 16:16, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I can undelete and usury pages for you, but I'm not sure about involving others. If DR doesn't work, you can try the
article incubator, but from my experiences there, it's not the most efficient or popular area either. If you can get me a list, though, of deleted articles, I can see which are salvagable, usury them, and ask some others for help with sourcing and whatnot. fetch·comms
21:25, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi Fetchcomms. Thanks for the reply. Would you mind undeleting
Hard Leaders and redirecting o Kickin Records. I don't think there is much to merge. Freakshownerd (talk
) 21:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
I don't think
Hard Leaders was deleted before. Are you sure that was the exact title? fetch·comms
21:41, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Oops.
Hardleaders, sorry. It seems to be spelled both ways... Darn indie labels! Freakshownerd (talk
) 21:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Redirected. It was a two-sentence stub, it just said that it was a subsidiary of Kickin Records. fetch·comms 21:51, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
I still like to see the history preserved. But if you think it's enough I will do my best to let go. :) Thanks for your help. Freakshownerd (talk) 21:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for John H. Foley

RlevseTalk 18:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for William Foster (Medal of Honor)