User talk:Loren36/Archive2

Hi Changlc, I noticed your recent changes to the article on Conscription for the Taiwan(ROC) section. As a new user I appreciate you adding stuff I missed. Good job adding the part about reserve service for grad degree holders. Some advice though, you might not want to volunteer for that since the pay is crap during the 4 year service period compared to what you can get with an advanced science/engineering degree elsewhere in Taiwan or other countries.

Drop me a line sometime on my talk page. Like to see your thoughts on this.

achou79 (talk) 1:40, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)

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Loren 03:34, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply

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I like how you mentioned enlightened dictatorship, Loren. A lot of us in Canada think we live under such a system, except we get to elect a new dictator every few years. Just the lack of real legislative check on executive powers in the Canadian system. Do you Americans feel the same way with a prez? Hehe. I agree with your view on Taiwan politics (independence vs unification), and I'm hoping whatever the outcome it would be reached peacefully and freely. Later.

Alan 01:07, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How was my post on here vandalism? I'd appreciate an answer rather than an outright block or ban. Sfmil 05:21 11 january 2006 (UTC)

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Loren 05:34, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply

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Thanks. Sfmil 05:36 11 january 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand what I'm being 'warned' about. I added my opinion on the subject, same as everyone else, and I see no evidence that what I did has been reverted or deleted in any way. What exactly did I do that justified a 'warning'? The Monster 03:03, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

responded, sorry about the mistake, warning retracted. -

Loren 03:09, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply

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I'm not sure how this works. 24.215.238.4 was temp blocked a day ago. He's back now and he blanked all the previous warnings off his user talk page. Is that allowed? Crumbsucker 11:00, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed you reverted the blanking of Phase Distortion Synthesis. Thats really neat, to know that there is somebody out there taking care of the vandals. Keep up the good job! MX44 13:41, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Man, just when I was about to move on with making Planetes a featured article because of the citations. Thanks a lot, I appreciate it. --TcDohl 05:47, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, another thing, as it seems like you have the manga, do you think you can scan individual panels of the manga, one panel per chapter? If you can, please help with moving the manga summary into its own article. I'll give it much of the same treatment as the List of Planetes episodes article. Thanks! --TcDohl 02:58, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! For sake of completeness I have added (what I think is) the Chinese spelling of the Asustek name to the

This is about your edition in

I've added a comment to it, maybe you should read. From what I know, you probably know better physics than I do, but I think most studies about time traveling nowadays are too premature to get us to conclusions about things we don't really know, just suspect of. I mean, I do understand a lot about how it could be, or about what is believed to be possible. But it seems to me like nobody has a confirmation, a physical proof, or even a flawless theory up to date, and you were affirming that if they meet again, in the story, he would have to be older because of something

Problem is, as far as I know, Einstein were never complete, just pointing the "right direction" of subject to study. I'm no expert, but what I understand from the little I know about his theories, they are all either incomplete or wrong.

might be much more (or much less) than just any defined matter multiplied by "squared light" (${\displaystyle mc^{2}}$).

--

Response. See also

Loren 23:57, 19 March 2006 (UTC)[reply

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T | C)

You may wish to block User talk:198.234.202.130 as he/she continues to vandalize. - CobaltBlueTony 18:49, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto User talk:71.28.196.250 e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Prince_of_Tennis&diff=56160981&oldid=55934823 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Samurai_Champloo&diff=56160826&oldid=55934727 if it hasn't already occurred. RB30DE 10:18, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The edits in question were made before the last warning was given, he hasn't made any edits since [1]. Please report him to

Loren 16:31, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply

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Category:Chinese military aircraft, ugh. Look at that template too. SchmuckyTheCat 20:53, 25 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe some form of connection between the categories for China, and those for the PRC and ROC respectively, is necessary. Some readers may type, let's say, category:military equipment of China, and is expecting to get to the relevant articles about the PRC or the ROC (probably before 1949 or 1971) from there. For convenience of our users, we have to bridge the gap between common usage and Wikipedia NPOV policy. — Instantnood 22:08, 25 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Loren 00:13, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply

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Crosslisting might be an option, but I agree redirects and disambiguations are better ways. — Instantnood 00:36, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How are you, ChangIc, I was glad to find you listed a translator; can I ask your assistance with an English to Chinese article ?Res q68 04:58, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've tried to draft a simple but concise medical article, which has several applications in Wikipedia. I was hoping to place it in a few languages, to be of help to as many people as possible. So, the text is--

A practical approach to such complicated auto-immune conditions may be found in the perspective of complementary medicine practicioners. Cases often follow a cycle of (1) allergic reaction (usually dietary), then (2) malnutrition, causing (3) internal bacterial disequilibrium, resulting in (4) strain on liver function and expression of relevant symptoms. The likely cause can be determined with simple patient lab tests, like pH and simple-sugar absorption tests, and then an appropriate course of treatment can be produced. This generally means a person first avoids their allergens, then rids themselves of problem micro-growth (sometimes with antibiotics), then builds back their immunity, with a basic rotational diet of natural unprocessed food (including fish such as salmon, rice, nuts such as almonds and walnuts, and vegetables like carrots and cabbage). The diet is supplemented with vitamins (A, C and E are vital), minerals (including zinc), amino acids (such as glutamine), probiotics (like acidophilus), and herbs (including garlic). Exercising within the patient's ability can also help the process.

(And, an external link, which is but one of many sources-- http://mdheal.org/leakygut.htm).

The article appllies to several conditions, so where we determine there is an article already, it could fit in a "Treatment" section...

Hopefully this isn't a bother for you, but let me know in any event...

Much thanks, All the best, Res q68 04:52, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

kind of urgent, could you help me to postpone the mass rename initiated by User:William Allen Simpson. IMO this should go to the project page first.

current voting is at:

Hey there,

I just posted this message on Tobias' talk page, thought I'd copy it here to save time :-)

I understand your opposition to the renaming, but the only thing I am supporting is the creation of a single term for the categories, "ADministrative Divisions". I do not agree with the nominator to use different terms, and I do not suggest a renaming of all articles within the categories; just the categories themselves. Judging from the entry on categories from the the

WP:Subnational entities page

, it doesnt seem there was an idea on how to tackle this yet. Lets seize the opportunity and do it now!

For that reason, I think its a bad idea to move the discussion to the different projects. We'd have to cross-post to every different sub-page. This way the discussion is centralised. Instead, lets point all those projects to the discussion on CfD. I have already done the two main projects, perhaps you could post on other project pages as well?

Thanks and greets, The Minister of War ^(Peace) 08:22, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This convention doesn't appear to apply to any other template that we have. No others are in

In any case, it's been the better part of 3 weeks of protection for that template now. I figure the edit war has been fixed and the protection can be lifted?

WP:SEMI is not for edit wars, even when an anon is involved, since it discriminates against them specifically. -Splash^talk 23:27, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply

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Huh, so it is. Perhaps conventions have diverged — I 'clean'

CAT:SEMI fairly regularly, and I don't think I've found a tagged Template talk: page before, but then I rarely (ever?) look in the main full-protection category. I didn't realise it was written in PPol. It obviously makes a kind of sense, but I rather suspect that page was written prior to the invention of noinclude and its brethren. -Splash^talk 23:33, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply

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Yeah. -Splash^talk 23:37, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The original debate for renameing the country subdivision categories was closed and a new debate on the subject has now been listed. The results of the old debate are shown, but will not be counted when the current debate is closed. You are being notified because you were involved in the previous debate. If you still have an interest in the outcome, please come and participate in the new debate. - TexasAndroid 20:40, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please give evidence that the IP address in question is assigned to the CFR. A whois on the address shows a class B 66.9.x.x owned by:

INTELLISPACE, INC OrgID: ITLS Address: 11 BROADWAY City: NEW YORK StateProv: NY PostalCode: 10007 Country: US

Thank you! 84.160.236.203 20:04, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I did a whois using this site, which gives the hostname as "ny.cfr.org". It seems that while Intellispace is the ISP, the IP address in question is assigned to CFR. -

Loren 22:41, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply

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Right. Should have done a reverse lookup myself. Thank you. I found another IP address that resolves to "dc.cfr.org" and I marked that talk page accordingly. 84.160.236.203 23:08, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Changlc,

The Persian Jews article was unprotected today, but a full-scale edit war has resumed again. Can you please protect it again before the situation escalates? Thanks. —Khoikhoi 06:37, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I suspect you have possibly misread the label on your radioactive Na source [2] as being ²⁷Na when it is actually ²²Na? ²⁷Na has a 1/2 life of mere milliseconds while ²²Na has a 1/2 life of ~2.6 years [3]....--Deglr6328 03:10, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. It's quite possible I misread it, especially since that particular experiment was over 2 years in the past. Thanks for checking. -

Loren 03:11, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply

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I appreciate your well-reasoned "keep"; I suppose we differ fundamentally as to whether, absent any legal compulsion, we ought to advise readers as to the nature of Wikipedia as prospectively vandalized or, in any case, out-of-date. IMHO, AGF exists only to further the creation of an encyclopedia, which creation is not likely to be severly retarded by the deaths of several users (even valuable editors) in view of their having improperly relied on Wikipedia for information (or even by the concomitant bad press); we are (or, to be sure, I am) wholly value-neutral relative to external happenings, as I have argued, inter al., at WP:NE. Fundamentally, your "keep" is justified by humanitarian concerns, and, as I wrote in my nom, I view those concerns to be unencyclopedic and as such irrelevant to our work; we come at the project, I imagine, in different ways and fundamentally, on this point, must agree to disagree. Joe 04:33, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're correct that our actions or inactions are irredeemably and intrinsically non-neutral; we differ, I suppose, apropos of how we ought to act in view of such knowledge. I maintain that we ought to be wholly disinterested in the external consequences of our actions or inactions; I surely would feel no culpability were some readers to die after relying on incorrect info on Wikipedia, and I wouldn't impute any malignancy or sociopathy to such feeling (nor would I to my general lack of concern over such deaths). I gather that you'd feel differently (if only viscerally), and I suspect that most WP editors concur with you in this regard. (The best explaination of my rationale is my belief that true neutrality is having events in the outside world driving changes in Wikipedia, not vice versa is a very potent contention, IMHO, and one about which I will have to think at length.)

Joe 05:06, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In this your edit [4], you used the rollback function to revert what was not vandalism. Please refrain from any such use in the future. JSIN 10:00, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The rationale for the reversion was explained on the

Loren 19:17, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply

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Whether or not the edit had merit is beside the point. Rollback should only be used in reverting clear-cut vandalism, and an explanation on the talk page does not make it alright to use it for something that is not vandalism. It is not about politicising non-political articles, but it is about correctness and NPOV. Please explain how my rationale is a

strawman argument. I find it offensive that you say so. JSIN 06:52, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply

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The strawman argument is that you are focusing on the use of the reversion itself rather then the rationale for using it in this case. Reverts are commonly used in undoing POV edits on multiple articles [5][6] or in fact, any situation where moving the the previous version of an article is warrented [7]. Rather then focusing on the method of the reversion, perhaps you should focus on why it was made. Per

Loren 12:12, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply

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My edit was definitely not a blatant violation of NPOV. Taiwan, Province of China is used in a number of contexts and is not saying whether the ROC is illegitimate, etc., or touches on any of that. There is a Taiwan Province of the ROC. There is a Taiwan Province of the PRC (claimed). Thus, Taiwan, Province of China is a perfectly correct and descriptive term. Given the complexities of this issue, it is not easy to label something as deliberately introducing POV. JSIN 13:17, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good, we're finally getting somewhere with this discussion. Referring to Taiwan as a province (whether under the ROC or PRC) is in itself a point of view that is not universally shared. Neutrality dictates that we use the broadest applicable term, in this case, the

Loren 17:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply

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Thanks for that. It was a strange case as I couldn't really use the test templates, but thought it should go to AIV as it was clearly disruptive, and I was running close to 3RR myself whilst not getting a response from talk pages or 3RR.

Looking at this edit and this page on RO, this editor almost certainly is the website owner. He seems to have a vested interest in bumping up his Google rating too... [8] Aquilina 20:01, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

After reviewing

Loren 20:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply

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Ah OK, no worries. Actually the last two edits did come after the warning, but I know the blocks aren't punitive and I'm happy for the article to stay as is (although I doubt how long it will stay that way, given the above!). I'll use AIV again next time - I reported to 3RR an hour previously (after the sixth revert!) and still have received no answer there.

Anyway, thanks again for all your help! Aquilina 20:12, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Hurricanehink (talk) 20:01, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just to let you know you Blnguyen and I conflicted in blocking 203.45.116.223 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log). Currently my block is the first to expire. Prodego ^talk 02:38, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Number 1, June 4, 2006

The Hurricane Herald

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Storm of the month

Typhoon Chanchu was the first typhoon and first super typhoon of the 2006 Pacific typhoon season. Forming on May 9 over the open western Pacific Ocean, Chanchu moved over the Philippines on the 11th. There, it dropped heavy rainfall, causing mudslides, crop damage, and 41 deaths. It moved into the South China Sea, where it rapidly strengthened to a super typhoon on May 14, one of only two super typhoons recorded in the sea. It turned to the north, weakened, and struck the Fujian province of China as a minimal typhoon on the 17th. The typhoon flooded 192 houses, while heavy rainfall caused deadly mudslides. In China, Chanchu caused at least 25 deaths and $480 million in damage (2006 USD). Elsewhere on its path, strong waves from the typhoon sank eleven Vietnamese ships, killing at least 44 people. In Taiwan, heavy rainfall killed two people, while in Japan

, severe waves killed one person and injured another.

Other tropical cyclone activity

• Tropical Storm Aletta existed in the eastern Pacific Ocean from May 25 to May 29, peaking as a 45 mph tropical storm.

New and improved articles

• New storm articles include:
  Typhoon Chanchu (2006) and Cyclone Olaf
  .

• New non-storm articles include: Tropical cyclone rainfall climatology, Dvorak technique and List of Bangladesh tropical cyclones.

• New
  Featured articles: 2005 Atlantic hurricane season, Hurricane Mitch, Hurricane Irene (2005) and Hurricane Claudette (2003)

• Articles which became A/GA class:
  Tropical Storm Isabel (1985) (GA), Tropical Storm Odette (2003)
  (GA)

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• An article is requested on
  subtropical ridge
• The current collaboration of the fortnight is Hurricane Gilbert, please help improve this article.
• Improvements are requested to
  Indianola Hurricane of 1886, Hurricane Camille and Hurricane Andrew
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  Featured Article Candidates
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Member of the month

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of articles and so helps to improve many more articles.

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Main Page content

• Today's Featured Article on June 1
  .
• Today's Featured Article on June 17
  .
• Entries from
  Did you know
  column during May.
• Entries from 5 other articles relating to tropical cyclones had appeared in the
  Did you know
  column earlier in 2006.

Storm article statistics

Grade	April	May	June
FA	7	7	10
A	4	5	7
GA	0	3	5
B	62	66	82
Start	154	177	168
Stub	13	12	10
Total	240	263	282
percentage ≥Less than B	69.6	71.6	63.1

The assessment scale

• The cyclone assessment scale is one of the bases of the new assessment scale for Version 1.0 of Wikipedia. It splits articles into several categories by quality, to identify which articles are "finished" and which ones still need to be improved.
• The assessment scale by itself counts of several grades:
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  • good article nomination
    .
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  • Start: articles that fall in this category have a decent amount of content, yet it is weak in many areas. Be bold and feel free to improve them!
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