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--Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:34, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redrose64, I don’t know what devices you read WP on, but the answer is that on the English Wikipedia only there has been a recent change of the way the standard bare “thumb” option displays itself — on many devices, including all of mine, the image window (but not necessarily the image itself) is now being forced to take up the whole page width. That makes all the text sit either above or below the image, so that marginal images no longer work. I have arranged images on the pages I have created in a way that didn’t plan on that and I am putting things back as they were. I don’t know if you are anxious to impose that change? Kind regards, Moonraker (talk) 03:09, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am using a PC with Windows 10 and the latest version of Firefox. I am not aware of anybody else who has the problems that you describe, and have not observed anybody else making edits similar to the one that I linked at the start. If you are perceiving a problem with |thumb images that did not previously exist, that is something to bring up at

WP:VPT. There should be no need to make any of the changes that you are making - particularly since nobody else has reported a problem with the normal syntax or are making similar changes. If the behaviour of |thumb really has changed, the thing to do is get it changed back - and the route to that is (initially) VPT via phab: to (ultimately) gerrit:. Consider: there are something like six million articles on Wikipedia, and the vast majority will display one or more images using |thumb, and you would expect that somebody would have reported it at VPT by now (I've been watching that page for more than ten years, and I see no recent reports). But if a problem really does exist, it would surely be easier to amend the behaviour of |thumb than to make millions of individual "fix" edits. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:28, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply

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Yes, if you are only using a PC, Redrose64, then you won’t see it. But as I understand it, most accessing of Wikipedia is now on “mobile” devices such as iPhones and iPads, as with me. Here is what GKFX (a software engineer) told me about the “thumb” option a few months ago. As you will see, he was arguing against using {{Main page image}}, as I had been doing.

On the official mobile skin, the image transitions from full-width to floating at 720px device width. Maybe this is a bit too large of a value to have been chosen, but it’s a decision taken by the MediaWiki developers who presumably have their reasons for picking that value. With {{Main page image}}, the image comes out very small on mobile in my testing and causes very short lines of text to the left of it on narrow screens. Personally I use the desktop skin (Vector) on mobile which avoids this sort of thing.

Moonraker (talk) 06:01, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I still don't see why changing lots of individual pages is better than fixing the problem at source, so I've raised a thread at

WP:VPT#Changed behaviour for the thumb image option. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:23, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply

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Moonraker, please stop adding this extraneous formatting to articles. Adding sizes using px sizing is also discouraged, since editors have their own preferences for the size of thumbnail images. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:00, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redrose64, I agree with you that by far the best thing is to fix the problem at source, but so far I am not seeing much recognition that there is a problem. Jonesey95, I do not agree that the formatting is extraneous; on the px sizing, the image templates at Wikipedia allow editors to choose an image size; by all means discourage people from using that, but if you want it stopped then the way to do it is surely to get the option removed at source. Moonraker (talk) 08:51, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

When nobody except you sees that there is a problem, the burden is heavier on you to demonstrate the problem. It is possible that the problem exists for more people, but you have to show others that it is real and that you can't fix it by adjusting your personal configuration. As for px, there are places where px sizing is useful, for example when making little icons like Y to go inline with text, but photos should almost never have prescribed px sizes; that's what the thumb size preference is for. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:42, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Goodness me. Many thanks, Buster7! Moonraker (talk) 16:09, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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FollowTheTortoise (talk) 18:42, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would be grateful if I could draw your attention to one detail in the above article. It states: 'In 1968, aged 27, he was ordained a priest'. If that year was correct he would have been 17 or 18 which is, of course, unlikely. Could I suggest that the appropriate date is considerably later, probably after 1980. Clrfr-2 (talk) 02:34, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for responding very generously to my contribution above. I have been examining both your edits and the page in its most recent form. There is one sentence in the latter that remains significantly problematic for me. It is in the section Early life. It states: He then underwent monastic training as a Benedictine monk at Downside Abbey (Somerset) for three years and at Ampleforth (North Yorkshire) for two more. I have visited the reference you provided for this but have not been able to find anything in that place to substantiate the statements. In addition I have viewed all the on-line resources that would appear to be available relating to this and, again, have not encountered anything that would provide confirmation of them. In particular: (1) it would appear that after he completed his BA degree at Cambridge University Bellenger remained there until being awarded a Phd. in 1978 and (2) there is nothing to suggest residence at Ampleforth Abbey except, perhaps, for the occasional visit. Could I draw your attention to this web-page which would appear to be reasonably athoritative? Thanking you:--Clrfr-2 (talk) 15:31, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Clrfr-2. The reason of course why you have not been able to find anything to substantiate the statements is simply that the link is not working, I guess someone has taken the Pdf down since I added the reference, which was when I created the page. I would not have made the information up. I might add that six years would be an awfully long time for someone to remain at Cambridge as a Ph.D. student, apparently without a job! On Prabook, see Valery Tsepkalo#Prabook — and it doesn’t offer any citation here. Let me see if I can find any other sources, but I am not worried by what you say. Moonraker (talk) 17:03, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The site truthproject.org.uk is redirecting to iicsa.org.uk, so I’ll contact them to see if they can let us have a link that works. So far as I can make out, the document is probably the witness statement of Bellenger himself. Moonraker (talk) 17:34, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You are being very courteous and academically precise. Both characteristics are, especially in a context such as this, much appreciated and persuade me to be fully respectful of your editorial contributions. With ref. to Bellenger's witness statement: I too attempted to view it but found that it was only available in very limited segments and those were not relevant. I will follow your enquiries with close interest.--Clrfr-2 (talk) 18:02, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No trouble, Clrfr-2. I have heard from IICSA that they will send an answer but it may take them fifteen days or more. Moonraker (talk) 22:16, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is my hope that this document could be of some assistance to you. Please note that it is not the statement provided to the IICSA by Dominic Aidan Bellenger. That is located here. It appears to me that if you intended to cite the first as a reference (which is what I understand to to be the case) you may not have been aware of who had written it (its first page is not provided). According to the IICSA it is the 'Statement of Dom Charles Fitzgerald-Lombard dated 20.10.2017'.--Clrfr-2 (talk) 00:48, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Clrfr-2. Your first link goes to part of the statement of Father Charles Fitzgerald-Lombard, the second to part of that of Father Richard Yeo, the third is a list of documents, but none of them seems to mention Bellenger, perhaps as the first two are incomplete. Anyway, let’s hope IICSA can give us a link to the file I cited to begin with. Moonraker (talk) 01:02, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, now I see what you have spotted, Clrfr-2, Father Fitzgerald-Lombard says he studied for three years at Downside and two at Ampleforth and was ordained in 1967, so you think I may have taken some notes and confused the two. Yes, that’s possible. Fair enough, then for now we’ll take out what you are doubting. But if we can get the statement of Bellenger we may have something similar to put in there. Moonraker (talk) 01:22, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your remarkably prompt response to my most recent posting. I am sure I did not deserve it. You are, of course, quite right to point out the almost complete deficiency of the second external link I provided. I myself realised, within minutes, that it directed to a pdf document which, while not completely irrelevant, was incorrect. I apologise for that. The reason why I included the third, which you rightly if unflatteringly describe as 'a list of documents', was to show how I had attempted to verify the identity the author of the first pdf document. The reference number (in this case BNT006403), appears at the foot of each page on the right hand side. With ref. to the witness statement of Aidan Bellenger: this document indicates that it was, on some occasion, given the ref. number BNT006401_025. Knowing this could, possibly, be of value in progressing a search but I have not, as yet, been sucessful in that. Your substantial editorial contributions, and modifications, made to the article relating to Bellenger during the last few hours are much appreciated.--Clrfr-2 (talk) 04:55, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No trouble, Clrfr-2. Once I was convinced I could have gone wrong, I looked for new sources and found some. What I can do on the Bellenger statement is to update IICSA that what we need is “BNT006401_025“. Moonraker (talk) 13:07, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I posted a further comment to Wikipedia:New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board#Te Urewera roundabout two weeks ago. No-one has responded, but it occurs to me that you might not have seen it, so this is a heads-up, in case. Cheers. Nurg (talk) 09:51, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Just in case it is any use, but no offence taken if not! Cheers DBaK (talk) 23:11, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I love your editing and am not planning on starting public fisticuffs with you. I was a bit surprised by this, because

Okay, DBaK, I didn’t know about the forty character limit. Moonraker (talk) 16:55, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough and thanks! Best wishes DBaK (talk) 17:56, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank You for updating my page. I wonder - If I send you a picture - could you add it?

Many Thanks

Hugh Eglinton 2A00:23C7:388D:8F01:14C7:AC51:5F7F:61CF (talk) 18:21, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Lord E. Yes, that is no trouble, but Wikipedia can only use low quality images, on a rather dodgy basis, unless the copyright owner uploads them to Wikimedia Commons, which is by far the best way to do this. It is easy, may I suggest you go here and follow the instructions? You may need to create an account. If you can please tell me here the name you give the image, I’ll add it to the page. Verb. sap., thanks to the Wikipedia:Conflict of interest policy, you should not edit your own page, but if I have got anything wrong there you may want to alert me here. Moonraker (talk) 20:37, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I am a little puzzled that you don't list CE Vulliamy's page among your creations. You are shown as having created his page in 2021. This I noticed while adding his book Rocking Horse Journey to his publication list. (I knew about the book because I met him a few times in the 1960s when he had "retired" but was still very much alive. Foiled circuitous wanderer (talk) 16:53, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the kind words, Foiled circuitous wanderer. The answer is it isn’t a good enough page for me to list it, unlike Blanche Georgiana Vulliamy, which was one of many spin-offs from Daisy Burrell. One thing kind of leads to another here. But Colwyn Edward Vulliamy was created soon after Right Book Club, as I thought all its authors needed a page. Another quite interesting one of those was Mairin Mitchell. Moonraker (talk) 20:58, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've had to revert your recent addition of a link to YouTube to the Thorpe affair article per

I see your point, AndyTheGrump, although I don’t think a mere link is a copyright infringement in itself. Anyway, it’s quite easy to find, if anyone goes looking. Moonraker (talk) 08:12, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Links to YouTube get deleted regularly for just that reason. Per

WP:COPYLINK ...directing others to a site that violates copyright has been considered a form of contributory infringement..., and we need to be careful. If Cook's performance isn't legitimately accessible anywhere, that's a real shame (it was a masterpiece of satire) but rules is rules. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:05, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply

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Fair enough, AndyTheGrump. Moonraker (talk) 19:39, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On 23 November 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Sarah Oakley, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in August 2022, Sarah Oakley became the first female captain to helm the passing out parade at Dartmouth? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Sarah Oakley. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Sarah Oakley), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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I have never heard of a parade being helmed, but the English language gets abused all the time. Moonraker (talk) 06:24, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Peace is a state of balance and understanding in yourself and between others, where respect is gained by the acceptance of differences, tolerance persists, conflicts are resolved through dialog, peoples rights are respected and their voices are heard, and everyone is at their highest point of serenity without social tension.

Thank you, Buster7. That sounds ideal, but also unrealistic. To me, peace is simply not starting wars, something we do far too much of, and also not taking steps to end them by talking. We agree on “conflicts are resolved through dialog”, but all too often what we get instead is endless propaganda, and we fail to challenge it. Moonraker (talk) 11:02, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, you sent me a Talk page message about a Turkish city suggesting it be given the Greek name from 100 years ago. Can I ask what prompted that? Because coincidence - another editor has suddenly argued the same thing. Is there something going on that readers should be aware of? In ictu oculi (talk) 14:47, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi In ictu oculi, it was prompted by reading the whole of the talk page. It is certainly a city in Turkey. I was not aware of any other editor taking an interest but now see that a new section has been created on the talk page so will contribute to that.

In reply to your header above, Rome and Milan are much bigger Italian cities. It is not a helpful line of argument. Moonraker (talk) 15:06, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do you know anything about en.wp Geography project? In ictu oculi (talk) 17:27, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No. Do you have a point from it? Moonraker (talk) 17:57, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes - we use modern English sources like urban geography books In ictu oculi (talk) 09:05, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On 19 December 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Robert Bolgar, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Cambridge don R. R. Bolgar was heard to say that if it had not been for a misfortune, he might well have supported the Nazis as a landowner in Moravia and been murdered by the Russians? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/R. R. Bolgar. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Robert Bolgar), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

-- RoySmith (talk) 00:03, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

He didn’t say murdered. Moonraker (talk) 15:04, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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December songs

happy new year

We sang Charpentier's delightful Messe de minuit pour Noël today, which was on DYK yesterday, - a first for me, pictured, - enjoy the season! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:13, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

why did you remove the "name of Pakistan" section from wiki article of Pakistan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan 39.50.26.82 (talk) 13:46, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, IP. I removed it because I had added it without spotting that it was largely duplicating a section called “Pakistan#Etymology”. Then I edited that to add into it what was new. Moonraker (talk) 16:33, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have renamed it as “Name of Pakistan”, which I agree is better. Moonraker (talk) 08:08, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]