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Buenas dias, mi amigo. I'm very happy you're back. If you need help with English-language work, just drop me a line. –Vami_IV✠ 11:11, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

• Oh hey! Glad you stopped by. Hope you're doing well. Starting here slowly ... getting the hang of things again. Reach out as well if you need a pair of eyes in any of your work! Cheers,
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I'm also happy that you're back! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:28, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, I look forward to reading more of your work at DYK!

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Today, read Women Disobey (love the slogan, not by me), tomorrow Hilmar Hoffmann. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:21, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your very kind message, it's much appreciated. Kosack (talk) 07:29, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Regarding this edit, the bottom of the source I had originally used has a list of athletes from that nation. I guess that wasn't clear to anyone who hadn't gone through a half dozen of similar "Things to Know" articles published by the IPC, though! (Personally, if I was going to DYK, I'd cobble two sources together and go for him competing one day after a crash the NYT labeled as "horrific", but what do I know? Courcelles (talk) 04:15, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks for the barnstar and your improvements to the article, glad you enjoyed reading it. Came across his obituary and thought it would make for an interesting article. FYI, you don't need to worry about the double spacing at the start of sentences (I think it is a British practice) - the wiki software automatically renders these all as single spaces anyway. All the best - Dumelow (talk) 06:59, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

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DYK for Mexico at the 2014 Winter Paralympics

On 9 August 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mexico at the 2014 Winter Paralympics, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that Mexico was represented by a single athlete at the 2014 Winter Paralympics? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mexico at the 2014 Winter Paralympics. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article

The article

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add soapboxing, promotional or advertising material to Wikipedia, as you did at Draft:Eugenio Minvielle Lagos, you may be blocked from editing. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 23:21, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Or in other words, you may not add a

Wikipedia articles must not promote anyone or anything, and CVs and "lists of accomplishments" are promotional. Do not restore it again. NPOV and not advertising are not matters up for discussion. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me}

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BTW, I moved the conversation to the draft's talkpage,

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If you look at Talk:Quimbaya artifacts there's a question by an editor no longer around about the location of these artefacts. Sadly the article itself concentrates on fringe claims. However, on the talk page there's a link to a pdf[1] which might be useful at least for the location if not more. Any chance you can help? Thanks. Doug Weller talk 18:30, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

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@Doug Weller: Just read through the entire article. There is some information you might find useful. In pages 641–644, it explains that in 1891, the artifacts were discovered by guaqueros (a South American slang used to describe people who "sack" pre-Colombian tombs in search of riches to sell off). The author says that the exact details surrounding the discovery are "unknown".

The artifacts were found in the Colombian municipalities of Quimbaya and Filandia (in a site known as La Soledad). The artifacts were described as "extremely high quality" gold and bronze (tumbaga) objects. The author suspects that their high-quality attributes may have been the reason why these artifacts were not melted (per the author, melting gold/bronze was a common practice in the pre-Colombian era). The name "Tesoro Quimbaya" (Quimbaya Teasure) derives from the name of the indigenous group that lived in the area, the Quimbayas, 1,500 years prior.

When the artifacts were discovered in 1891, Colombia was going through a period of "historical reconstruction"; the government was interested in rebuilding its indigenous past and searching for artifacts from the pre-Colombian era (the author says this was stemmed from the Romanticism movement). The Colombian government donated 122 artifacts to Spain in 1892 as part of the IV Centenary Celebration of the Discovery of America (Spanish Wikipedia here). The government explained that they donated these artifacts as gratitude for Spain's assistance in defining the border between Colombia and Venezuela, among other reasons (not described). These artifacts were displayed in Madrid and Chicago and were intended to be a gift for the Spanish royal family.

The author considers the repatriation of these artifacts as "unconstitutional", and accuses the Colombian government under Carlos Holguín Mallarino of specifically violating clause No. 76.11 of Political Constitution of Colombia (1886), which stated that the government could not donote/gift national assets without popular election. He also cited clauses 76.18 and 120.20, which required the government to get approval from Congress when doing agreements with other countries (in this case, Spain).

In 2008, a Colombian lawyer named Felipe Rincón Salgado issued a "popular action" (Spanish Wikipedia here) in a Bogotá court asking the government to start a formal process to get the artifacts repatriated back to Colombia in 3 months. The request was denied in 2011, after a Cundinamarca court considered that issuing a popular action was not the correct method for demonstrating the illegality of the donation. They also argued that the donation was not illegal at the time it was done because it was not considered a "national heritage" when it was gifted. A Colombian constitutional court rejected the Cundinamarca court decision soon thereafter, arguing that such restrictions diminished the power of popular action, and that the time of the violation did not absolve the government if the donation is illegal in the present. There is yet to be a resolution on the case, but the author believes that the repatriation is favorable.

Please feel free to reach out if you have more questions or need assistance.

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Where does the time go? I'll copy this to the article talk page if that is ok. Doug Weller talk 14:22, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

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Sorry, I was referring to the delay in my response, that's all. I kept meaning to respond, but didn't. Doug Weller talk 15:19, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

LOL, gotcha. My bad. Feel free to use the info I posted and reach out if you have more questions. Happy to help with translations.

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Hi MX, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the "autopatrolled" permission to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on

good to see you back. You, and MrX often confuse me. See you around :) —usernamekiran(talk) 14:22, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

@Joe Roe: Thanks!

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@Joe Roe: and @Usernamekiran: I am not sure this is a good idea as this discussion Draft talk:Eugenio Minvielle Lagos suggests there are some serious problems with their editing and their vision of what consensus means despite the recent indef. If they maintain the autopatrolled right I shall personally monitor their page creations notably for possible COI. Dom from Paris (talk) 07:21, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

@Domdeparis: I reviewed the last 50 articles created by MX (going back to 2013) and found nothing to be concerned about with any of them. His ban was not directly related to article creation, and has been lifted by the community. – Joe (talk) 07:41, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

His ban was for socking and there were clear concerns about COI editing with that sock. On the draft that I pointed to there is some very clear editorialising and

WP:COATRACKING. USER:Seraphimblade draftified the article as it did not meet the necessary standards and MX became very combative about the way it was written and asked for another pair of eyes and despite the consensus that the article needed to be totally rewritten he continues to argue and try and justify his position and has made some very slight modifications but essentially refuses to bring it in line with what is expected from a BLP. Dom from Paris (talk

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I didn't have time to get back to you before but when I did explain to you about the coatracking and the excessive detail about his career. I then explained that some of what you wrote was editorialising and also was a

WP:SYNTH of the source. I don't know if this was intentional or not but it certainly rang alarm bells as it embellished the subject's role. I fully understand the explanation you gave on the draft's talk page and totally accept your good faith. --Dom from Paris (talk

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On 29 August 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jorge Luis Mendoza Cárdenas, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the US Drug Enforcement Administration is looking for a man known as The Claw? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jorge Luis Mendoza Cárdenas. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Jorge Luis Mendoza Cárdenas), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Ritchie333 00:02, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

He's not suspected of being Mexican, is he? GiantSnowman 12:55, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

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Slightly awkward is better than misleading/confusing. GiantSnowman 12:59, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. Thanks for your input.

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Your

May 1, 2015, Jalisco attacks

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Talk:May 1, 2015, Jalisco attacks for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Example -- Example (talk

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Your

May 1, 2015 Jalisco attacks

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May 1, 2015, Jalisco attacks

May 1, 2015, Jalisco attacks at the Guild of Copy Editors requests page is now complete. All feedback welcome! Tdslk (talk ) 03:34, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi MX, I had one observation as I was doing the copy editing. The section "Background and possible motives" included some material, especially in the first and third paragraphs, that seemed out of place in the section. Otherwise, I thought the article looked great. I wish you good luck with the Good Article nomination! Tdslk (talk) 03:34, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

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Thank you, MX. That's very nice of you to say. The biggest favor you could do would be to just keep working on articles like this one, and post them for review when they are ready for a GA so I can read them and learn more while I do! Regards, Tdslk (talk) 04:05, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Mario Alberto Peña

On 1 September 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mario Alberto Peña, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Texas-born Mario Alberto Peña became a suspected regional leader of the Gulf Cartel and a gangster folk hero on both sides of the Mexico–United States border? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mario Alberto Peña. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Mario Alberto Peña), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

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I'm not very involved in the video games / esports here but I do follow the competitive / speedrun scene for some of them. Most of my friends do play LoL so I know a bit as a casual viewer. Cheers,

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Latin America 10,000 Challenge!

Friend MX, you'd be a model fit for the Latin American and the Caribbean 10,000 Challenge with your immense labors on the topic of Mexico. Consider signing on and adding articles you've improved and/or created since November 2016. Look forward to seeing more of you. –Vami_IV† 16:52, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

• Great! Thanks for letting me know. I'll ping a couple of editors that I know have created/expanded a bunch of stuff too. Is there a deadline to hit 10,000? Or is it more of a goal of ours? Cheers,
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DYK nomination of José González Valencia

Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk

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GA review Reply

Hello. I saw your message on my talk and i came to reply. The article i reviewed had a dead link and a link that does not work. So i failed the verifiable content. And when i compared it with the criteria. It did not have enough images or audio files in it. It also contained spelling mistakes B. N .D | TALK 05:09, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Érick Valencia Salazar

Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk

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I made the necessary changes to my DYK? nomination

Hello,

I have finally made the necessary changes to my DYK? nomination here: Template:Did you know nominations/Horatio Seymour presidential campaign, 1868. I apologize for having it take as long as it did. Anyway, I hope that you would respond to my latest comments on that DYK? page whenever you are able to do so.

Best regards,

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• Responded and pinged you there. I'm watching the review page. Cheers,
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I have now responded to this page again in order to address your concerns.

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What are your thoughts on my DYK? nomination as of right now? I have fixed everything that I was told to fix. Is there anything else that I need to fix?

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Thanks for approving my DYK? nomination!

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DYK for José González Valencia

On 22 September 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article José González Valencia, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the suspected Mexican drug lord José González Valencia possessed an official passport that had all the security features needed for international travel, issued under a false name? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/José González Valencia. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, José González Valencia), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Eugenio Minvielle Lagos (September 24)

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The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's

Referencing for beginners

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A Dobos torte for you!

7&6=thirteen (☎) has given you a Dobos torte to enjoy! Seven layers of fun because you deserve it. To give a Dobos torte and spread the WikiLove, just place {{subst:Dobos Torte}} on someone else's talkpage, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:46, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Érick Valencia Salazar

On 1 October 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Érick Valencia Salazar, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that after the arrest of suspected drug lord El 85, shootouts, burning vehicles, and roadblocks were staged in Guadalajara, Mexico, possibly to allow his allies to escape undetected? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Érick Valencia Salazar. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Érick Valencia Salazar), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 00:03, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

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Contributions to Científicos.

I appreciate your feedback. I am not sure what your position is within the Wikipedia organization. Why did you tag my contributions to this page for lack of sources. I would really appreciate a well founded academic position on why you are considering the deletions. The sources are there, but the reference is generally to other Wikilink pages. Most of the Científico entries have other Wikilink pages, but they are not English language pages. That is it because there are no English sources for much of Mexican history. Just wondering. The same situation exists for virtually all history, as the original source materials are generally written in the original languages, unless they happen to be for American history, English history, or the history of another English-speaking country.

There are several primary and secondary sources as to who is considered part of the Científicos, a group of elites hand-chosen by Porfirio Díaz as advisors and supporters of his programs to modernize Mexico. These men (no women were ever picked) did not remain constant for the most part. Over time, members of his advisors died or fell out of favor. I can't effectively tag each member of the group with the primary source providing the name and position, but I can list the sources as general references to back up the list. Virtually all of the sources will be in Spanish, but that should not be a problem. THERE WAS NEVER ANY LIST that Porfirio Díaz or his staff kept. The men were recognized by their positions and contribution in the modernization program, and by their relationship with Porfirio Díaz.

If a person needs the basic English explanation for a subject, I write that in English. However if the primary source in is another language that I speak, read or write, then I will list the primary source as it originally is. Secondary source are subject to error, and are many times without reference to a primary source. The more advanced researcher can go to the original primary source if they wish. This is how the best academic encyclopedias of the past have always done it. I am just follow how most real historians have always written. By the way, I have several advanced degrees. I have a degree in history, and have been writing and teaching for more than 40 years. I only do this writing here to help the world-wide community in the advancement of knowledge. I don't need to make any contributions if that are not appreciated. Kind regards,

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Thanks for the additional feedback. I have noted that most "lists" in Wikipedia do not use inline citations, or cite sources. Why is that? I suspect it is because they are simply lists, and the item listed is readily verifiable through multiple sources. In the case of the listed Científicos, I have gone one step further than the majority of contributors do when creating lists. For every person I have listed I have provided an inline link to a Wikipedia page - English or Spanish, with one notable exception, Miguel Salvador Macedo. I was going to create a page for in both languages for Sr. Macedo in the future. I will concede that providing an additional citation link following the name of the person to a source at the end of the page might be helpful, but the majority of the sources would be nothing more than a reference to an additional list in the book, journal or document cited. I think that this is less useful than the current inline links to other Wikipedia articles. I would appreciate your thoughts on this. Thanks you again.

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You actually didn't address my concerns. I have no questions regarding formatting of tables to organize lists. Previously, you have specifically stated that my contributions to the page had a lack of sources. Next you indicated that you reached out because my updates need inline citations at the end of sentences/paragraphs. I came back to you and stated that I had provided inline citations via wikilinks for every name on the list, including all of those that I had not put there, with a single exception. I also stated that, in general, lists in Wikipedia do not have any sources, inline citations, or footnotes. I stated that this is likely because they are, after all, just lists, and typically do not have extensive content that needs specific sources provided. Lists are to provide a guidepost for further research if the reader wishes, and not contain extensive citations of sources. If what I have added to the Científico article is not sufficient, I will leave it to someone else to work with in the future. Kind regards,

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• You made updates to científicos without using sources. And I specified to you that you need inline citations, and that using inline citations in the linked articles is not enough. You need them in both articles. Lists should have sources. Just because some articles don't doesn't mean that's the standard for list articles. I suggested tables because that's the recommended way of citing from what I have seen. I have no idea why many list articles don't have sources, but that doesn't really matter because we need to cite anyways.
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Thanks

Thank you very much for your kind nomination at editor of the week. It was extremely unexpected and is hugely appreciated. Kosack (talk) 16:16, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

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Template:Did you know nominations/Raid of the Ghetto of Rome

Please see note on your DYK review. Yoninah (talk) 13:15, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Loltyler1

Twitch.tv? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Loltyler1. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk