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I saw your work on articles related to Kurdish culture and wanted to say hello, as I work in the topic area too. If you haven't already, you might want to watch the WikiProject Kurdistan talk page, which is a noticeboard for Wikipedia's Kurdish coverage. It's a great place to ask questions, collaborate, discuss style/structure precedent, and stay informed about content related to Kurdish culture. Take a look for yourself!
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Hi! I saw that you recently created this category and its subcategories. How are "Apoist organizations" and "Apoists" distinguished from the existing categories for Kurdish organizations and people? I spotchecked several of the articles in Category:Apoists and none of them put a special emphasis on following Öcalan/Apo. Unless being follower of Öcalan is a "defining" trait that isn't covered by existing categories, I recommend undoing the creation of these new categories. czar 22:47, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Czar, all of that organizations and persons have been categorized in that category are seeking the political issues of Kurdistan and Kurdish people on a basis of Apoist worldview and most of them are following Apo's theories and thoughts; which of them is not included?Paraw (talk) 23:12, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- If the person/organization's article doesn't address the importance of them following Apo's theories/thoughts, then we wouldn't consider their Apoism a "defining" trait. For example, where is Mazlum Doğan's following of Öcalan described as a defining feature of Doğan's life? Would every Category:Members of the Kurdistan Workers' Party be described as an Apoist? If the distinction is unclear, it's better to not use/create a separate category and instead use defining associations. Being a member of the PKK is concrete, but is it realistic to draw an explicit line between Apoists and non-Apoists? czar 23:48, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- I ask you dear Czar, what about the marxist-leninist parties? Are we do this rigor also about the members of Marxist-Leninist parties? Can we say all of members of Marxist parties are believing in Marxism-Leninism? I think following from a Apoist or Marxist party is enough to lable a person Apoist or Marxist, because these terms are not imply only on subjective aspect of a theory, but a practical aspect, and when we speak about a Marxist, Apoist or Maoist person we are speak indeed about his/her praxis which contains both subjective-theoretical and practical aspects of those terms. Furthermore I didn't consider all of PKK members as Apoists, because some of them (Like Osman Öcalan, Nizamettin Taş, ...) were not remaind as Apoist and we can't consider them as exemplified of that term. I think if we want to know the real identity of PKK an Apo and the related stream and figures of Apoist movement, we should categorize them as their real praxis and that's nothing but Apoism. I think it's enough to consider PKK as a Marxist-Leninist party, which does not apply to.Paraw (talk) 00:14, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Since Marxism is an ideology, an individual can fit under the categories "Marxist" and "members of the Communist Party USA" if the sources describe them as such because those would both be defining traits. We could do the same with "Apoist" and "members of the PKK" but is Apoism an ideology that defines a person? And if so, do sources define who is an Apoist and who is not? My hunch is that it's premature to have Category:Apoists for the purpose of categorization. czar 01:12, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- You're right about that, but Apoism is an Ideology too like Marxism, and addly is an political tendency just like Hoxhaism. Mayby we have not any sources that say who is Apoist and who is not, but we have a stream or tendency which contain aspects of this term. I think if we want to categorize some people and some organiations like PKK and it's sister parties, we have to call them Apoist which show their both ideology and political tendecy.Paraw (talk) 16:43, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- Since Marxism is an ideology, an individual can fit under the categories "Marxist" and "members of the Communist Party USA" if the sources describe them as such because those would both be defining traits. We could do the same with "Apoist" and "members of the PKK" but is Apoism an ideology that defines a person? And if so, do sources define who is an Apoist and who is not? My hunch is that it's premature to have Category:Apoists for the purpose of categorization. czar 01:12, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- I ask you dear Czar, what about the marxist-leninist parties? Are we do this rigor also about the members of Marxist-Leninist parties? Can we say all of members of Marxist parties are believing in Marxism-Leninism? I think following from a Apoist or Marxist party is enough to lable a person Apoist or Marxist, because these terms are not imply only on subjective aspect of a theory, but a practical aspect, and when we speak about a Marxist, Apoist or Maoist person we are speak indeed about his/her praxis which contains both subjective-theoretical and practical aspects of those terms. Furthermore I didn't consider all of PKK members as Apoists, because some of them (Like Osman Öcalan, Nizamettin Taş, ...) were not remaind as Apoist and we can't consider them as exemplified of that term. I think if we want to know the real identity of PKK an Apo and the related stream and figures of Apoist movement, we should categorize them as their real praxis and that's nothing but Apoism. I think it's enough to consider PKK as a Marxist-Leninist party, which does not apply to.Paraw (talk) 00:14, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- If the person/organization's article doesn't address the importance of them following Apo's theories/thoughts, then we wouldn't consider their Apoism a "defining" trait. For example, where is Mazlum Doğan's following of Öcalan described as a defining feature of Doğan's life? Would every Category:Members of the Kurdistan Workers' Party be described as an Apoist? If the distinction is unclear, it's better to not use/create a separate category and instead use defining associations. Being a member of the PKK is concrete, but is it realistic to draw an explicit line between Apoists and non-Apoists? czar 23:48, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
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