User talk:Styyx/Archives/2022-Q4

Either way, I believe the current Turkish Airlines fleet page needs to be updated one way or another to be accurate. What do you think? Johnnycorns5354 (talk) 08:49, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

~Styyx^Talk? 10:47, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply

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Hi,

AnadoluJet

's to avoid any confusion. Because as I said, now it appears Turkish Airlines has 92 Boeing 737-800 and AnadoluJet has 52, for a combined 144, which is false.

And speaking of good articles, I noticed all of the articles I mentioned are list-class articles as it is the norm for Wikipedia pages about an airline's fleet. The Emirates fleet article, for example, is a list-class article with three main sections: current fleet, historical fleet, and fleet development. This is very much comparable to the Turkish Airlines fleet article in question. Therefore, it might be more appropriate to reclassify it as list-class. Would you agree? Is there a precedent for classifying an airline's fleet article as anything other than list-class? Johnnycorns5354 (talk) 11:55, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

~Styyx^Talk? 12:19, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply

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The photo is attached to the pay-per-view website of the United Daily News. I speculate that this should not be likely with non-US works from 1996, but I don't know if Taiwan is a signatory region of the Uruguay Round Agreement. Note that Taiwan is generally not recognized as a sovereign state by international organizations. So it shouldn't be possible to use protocols published before 1996?

Then I plan to change it to fair use and upload it to the English Wikipedia. This set of photos is treated as historical photos, and it is theoretically impossible to find photos of the same period. My assumption is that since it's secret diplomacy, there won't be much news coverage in the media. This is within the scope of fair use, so what license agreement do I need to use?

A long list of questions. Say it if you know it. I have a second question to ask later.

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Talk 12:02, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply

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Hello again

~Styyx^Talk? 15:02, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply

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Hmm, thanks for the long research. You could wait within 24 hours. Also, help desk is not available. As English isn't a native language to me. So think I could just upload the photos by fair use. --

Talk 15:08, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply

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• So I just tried to upload, but the Upload button is unavailable, I'm going to use
  Talk 12:51, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Hi

~Styyx^Talk? 12:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply

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I'll make a try. Also, the first question needs a solution. --

Talk 12:30, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply

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I think I'll just replace the source and remove the template. --

Talk 12:33, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply

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On 16 October 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Vecihi Hürkuş, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Turkish aviation pioneer Vecihi Hürkuş had to transport his second plane to Prague just to get it certified? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Vecihi Hürkuş. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Vecihi Hürkuş), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

After reading the

~Styyx^Talk? 10:29, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply

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Then this memoir is published by a well-known newspaper, which is a reliable source. Is it a secondary source at the same time?--

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~Styyx^Talk? 13:26, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply

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Wu Peihao

1. Depends on context, but if Latvia did something and others have started to do the same it's probably "Latvian model".
2. "As of 2013, Ukraine has not responded to the request." You can use {{
   ~Styyx^Talk? 13:40, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply
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A new problem. "Alarmed by the "Latvian model", the Chinese government made representations to the Ukrainian diplomatic unit and received an immediate promise from the Ukrainian side that there would be no consulate situation like in Latvia." How should I describe that the case consulate wouldn't occur as China receive the promise (Ukraine wouldn't do it), also hinting that there was a Taiwanese consulate in Latvia, in contrary? --

Talk 13:45, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply

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Hi,

I came here after Styyx asked for help on

WP:DISCORD

. First off, thanks for working on this article - I think a lot of diplomatic articles are underedited or become a hub for promotional/non-POV/poorly written content.

Getting to your question: I think the best way would be to mention the existence of a Taiwanese consulate/diplomatic mission in Lithuania. (I am a bit confused, however; isn't the Taiwanese Representative Office in Latvia a de-facto embassy?) Like this:

After the establishment of a Taiwanese consulate/diplomatic mission/representative mission/de-facto embassy in Latvia, (whatever verbiage you think is best) the Chinese government expressed their alarm about a potential "Latvian model" (you could also use "Latvian precedent) and received an immediate promise from the Ukrainian diplomatic unit that there would not be a similar situation there.

MSG17 (talk) 14:45, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see that you are talking about the consulate established in 1992, which acted officially despite Taiwan and Latvia not having recognized diplomatic relations. Sorry, I was mistaken. Yes, use "consulate". MSG17 (talk) 15:07, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  Talk 15:57, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply
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  Yes, I was mistaken about that point, I mistook it for the current Taiwanese office in Latvia. I corrected myself below. And yes, I came here from the unofficial Wikimedia discord server. MSG17 (talk) 16:07, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Go on. I try to catch the clue. However, what I focused on the Consulate of Taiwan in 1992 in the article. My impression is that the consular relationship seems to imply that Latvia recognizes Taiwan as a sovereign state. Here I would like to make it simple and let that sentence imply that the Latvian model occurred earlier, resulting in Chinese follow-up and Ukraine's promise not to have a consulate.--

Talk 16:09, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply

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Also, here. 拉脫維亞模式 is a term using on the two sources of the article. I consider it should be translated as "Latvian mode" or "Latvian model".--

Talk 16:16, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply

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I found an English source (Taiwan and Post-Communist Europe: Shopping for Allies, 2007, Routledge) that uses "Latvian model". Mode doesn't make sense here. MSG17 (talk) 16:21, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Could you paste the link? To the comment, I thought the word mode and model are synonym. --

Talk 16:25, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply

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Apologies for the late replies, I will not be able to reply on a timely basis to queries on Wikipedia right now. Here are some links: (Google Books, Routledge (both have limited previews, but one of the chapters is itself named the "Latvian model")). Also, mode is more like setting a device into a certain mode to do a specific task (like how radios can be in transmit/broadcast/send and receive modes depending on what you need to do with it). MSG17 (talk) 15:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"烏克蘭國會友台小組主席訪台行喊卡 原因不明". Liberty Times. 2022-10-24.

• Not sure if you could read Chinese? The report says that Ukrainian parliamentary delegation will not visit Taiwan for unknown reasons. Only one person will attend in public. I was wondering if it has something to do with the Wikipedia article that I am expanding? So should I write less, so as not to damage the bilateral relations between them? But I consider it has already happened. The obscure history should be recorded, whether good or bad, and there are already sources of papers and news. --
  Talk 10:54, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply
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  "Not sure if you could read Chinese?"

  可以一點了。我中文不太好。

  "So should I write less, so as not to damage the bilateral relations between them?"

  No, omitting information on this basis would not present a neutral point of view. As you say, the history should be recorded.

  MSG17 (talk) 15:26, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Call MSG17 to here. I still have one question when citing the reference. The date parameters are confusing.

Zhenqi, Yu (2009-04-30). "驻外札记(3)(图)". 驻外札记: 一个知青大使的外交生活片段 [embassies Notes: An Ambassador s diplomatic life of the educated youth segment] (in Chinese). Nankai University Press (published 2008).

ISBN 9787310030651. {{cite book}}: |website= ignored (help

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date:

orig-date:

publication-date:

So the webpage is from the diplomat's memoir, the webpage date is April 30, 2009. The book is also published in 2008. date is for 2009-04-30 and publication-date is for the book's year, is it right?--

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~Styyx^Talk? 11:27, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply

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Do you know how to use these parameters? I leave a message at the beginning to ask you how to solve it. Then you seem to be pushing the problem to MSG17. And he also said above that he could not respond recently. For those technical problems, you should also provide some answers so that the editing can speed up the improvement.--

Talk 02:38, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply

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~Styyx^Talk? 17:00, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply

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"歷史新新聞》1996年台灣副總統首度踏上烏克蘭國土　連戰怎麼運作「失蹤外交」". news7 (in Chinese) (published 2022-03-06). 1996-08-25.

• So, the 9th reference in the article has two different dates.

I used date and publication-date when citing the news site. The original time is August, 1996 (on the site below), and the online version is published in March, 2022. I guessed date is used for the earliest time and publication-date is the time that the online news is uploaded on the site. Later, I will test if orig-date work for this, maybe date doesn't need to be used. --

Talk 22:23, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply

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Seems good. No issues.

~Styyx^Talk? 00:37, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply

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Yeah, that is correct. MSG17 (talk) 02:20, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"感佩吳部長崇高的教育理念及遠見的教改政策（隨同吳部長從事烏克蘭、德國學術交流之旅後記）" (PDF). Huaxia Leader (in Chinese). No. 77. Chinese Culture University. 1996-12-03. p. 2.

• Here, another trouble I met. The document is a
  Talk 11:27, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply
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• Seems like I asked too many questions so that you're going to take a long Wiki break. Then, do one more thing. Archive the links in the article. --
  Talk 02:09, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply
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~Styyx^Talk? 16:06, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply

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On 24 October 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article De Boom Die Alles Zag, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a grey poplar in Amsterdam is "the tree that saw it all"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/De Boom Die Alles Zag. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, De Boom Die Alles Zag), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:03, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 10,512 views (876.0 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of October 2022 – nice work!

theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 02:38, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is what the images and infobox look like on my screen. See the sandwich? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:09, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

~Styyx^Talk? 16:15, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply

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WP:VPT? Cause clearly this is a major issue. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:20, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply

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~Styyx^Talk? 16:27, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply

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Yes I do, however that sandwich isn't nearly as bad, and could be made better by simply reducing the size of the image. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:28, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've mentioned it at

WP:VECTOR2022 since I'd say this is a big enough of an issue that Vector 2022 should not be made default until this is fixed. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:16, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply

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On 27 October 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Weesperplein metro station, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the platform below the Weesperplein metro station was used as a fallout shelter after the line that was supposed to run through it got cancelled? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Weesperplein metro station. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Weesperplein metro station), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:03, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What is the reason for my article (Ali Akbarpour) being moved to the draft space? Ali Akbarpour is a world ranking in contact jujitsu Ebrahimi9898 (talk) 16:58, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

~Styyx^Talk? 17:01, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply

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I have corrected my article. Please review again Ebrahimi9898 (talk) 06:39, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, my old friend. I came here to talk to you again... Could you archive all of these pages, please? Everyone is reviewing my pages now, but none is archiving them.

Hi

~Styyx^Talk? 11:41, 1 November 2022 (UTC) Re-ping Clenixon[reply

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On 7 November 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Wibautstraat metro station, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the letters on the platform walls of Wibautstraat metro station (pictured) refer to the offices of Dutch newspapers that were located on the street above? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Wibautstraat metro station. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Wibautstraat metro station), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Styyx, Do you mind checking out my DYK nominations:

I've seen this message and will look into it once I get some stuff done on the Turkmen Wikipedia.

~Styyx^Talk? 19:44, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply

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Hi Styyx, when I was looking back over the history of a draft (Draft:Sweta_Rai), I saw this simulated AfC note, posted by its draft creator with your signature. Presumably they simply copied the comment from this AfC decline of Draft:Centre for Heritage, Arts and Textile by yourself and changed the words, and they did fix the signature in their next edit, so no actual attempt to pretend to be you. However, your comment also mentioned possible socking by the creator of Draft:Centre for Heritage, Arts and Textile, and there are some close similarities between that user and the user who copied your note to Draft:Sweta Rai. Do you recall whose sock you thought it might have been? Best, --bonadea contributions talk 15:31, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

~Styyx^Talk? 16:33, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply

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Thanks! Yes, I think there is a connection there. I'll look more closely at it tomorrow. --bonadea contributions talk 21:52, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2001:A61:3AED:1301:D983:EEA9:4295:9ABC (talk) 18:02, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reverting your wrong removal of content and manual of style ignorance is not "ownership of an article".

~Styyx^Talk? 18:09, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply

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As per our guidelines, Anadolujet has its own main article and therefore the fleets are not to merged but listed separately. This is the case with all airline subsidiaries, the state of the AOC is not relevant for this. This has been maintained for several years (including Turkish Airlines until your recent edits) and there’s no reason why your article should be an exception - hence claiming ownership. Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:A61:3AED:1301:D983:EEA9:4295:9ABC (talk) 20:28, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's... not a subsidiary. It is a part of Turkish Airlines. It's the same company.

~Styyx^Talk? 20:33, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply

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OK so we are not coming out of this together. I'll open a discussion on the Aviation WikiProject and ask for the article to be protected in the mean time.

~Styyx^Talk? 20:35, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply

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As I stated this is not about corporate structure. Anadolujet has an independent article on this Wiki and this is why the fleet charts are not allowed to be merged. We split them like this ages ago. Additionally Anadolujet is about to receive an independent AOC which makes this discussion obsolete.

~Styyx^Talk? 20:41, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply

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The rule about the independent article still applies. Unless Anadolujet does no longer have its own main article their fleet cannot be integrated into TKs chart. It can be discussed if this should be changed - and it hasn’t in the last 10 years I’m on here - but you cannot change it at will for an article that you are the primary contributor for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:A61:3AED:1301:D983:EEA9:4295:9ABC (talk) 20:46, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Styyx.

I just saw your draftification.

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  Styyx talk contribs‎ m  16,466 bytes 0‎   Styyx moved page Famoe to Draft:Famoe over a redirect without leaving a redirect: Guideline overrules essay. Draft per conflict of interest. (via script) undothank

What if the author denies having a COI. Should it go to AfD? If the author has a COI, then their mainspace move and all mainspace edits are not allowed. I agree. SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:11, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi SmokeyJoe. My understanding of DRAFTOBJECT is that an article can only be draftified once and once only, since it doesn't say anything like "with the exception of...." and explicitly states that the author is also allowed to object, even though I really think that COI is an exception. I remember having a few other cases like this last summer when I was still an active NPP/AfC reviewer here, though I don't think I can dig them back up.

When an author denies COI and there are no other "suspicious" things then we should probably AGF and send it to AfD. In this case though, I haven't seen the author confirm or deny anything (correct me if I'm wrong though), so that mostly leaves it up to judgement. I sent this one back due to possible sockpuppetry/block evasion concerns; see my talk archive. I think this is a blocked UPE continuing their work. I was actually writing up an SPI when you messaged me.

~Styyx^Talk? 13:48, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply

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I made this edit, which removes the apparent conflict. I am not sure what should happen if the COI is denied. AfD? I’d say wait to see some examples before trying to document good practices. SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:08, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Saw some great work has gone into this article, but I'm not sure it's quite at GA yet. Just thought I'd ping you here SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 21:16, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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