This is an archive of past discussions for the period October - December 2012. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.

October 2012

Thanks, when I was going to restore the informations someone (you) restored then :) --Gce (talk) 09:30, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Maps as requested:

Radio: TV: 100px

Note I've uploaded the TV version without the year by mistake, I've requested a file move. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 18:58, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Top man! Where would I be without my knight in shining armour. Thank you ever so much AxG, I appreciate it sincerely.

^Mouse

19:01, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

File has been moved :) -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 19:02, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

How come it doesn't allow me to add the maps into the infoboxes?

^Mouse

19:03, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Ahhh the move has cocked up. We've forgotten there is already a file with the same name that contains the contest logo.

^Mouse

19:06, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes I've just realised :o -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 19:10, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello, I inserted a page, ABU Radio Song Festival 2012, but you reverted. I went to that the concert and saw who won it. Certainty, the winner was Bily Acoustie from South Korea. Danielle just received 'GOLD AWARD' which was gave for second place, NOT FOR A WINNER!

Firstly, please be

civil

when posting comments on editor's talk pages, using upper case letters like you did constitutes shouting and is most impolite way to conduct behaviour, especially if you aim to receive cooperation from a fellow Wikipedian.

Secondly, even though you attended the festival physically and witnessed who won, doesn't mean that alone qualifies for your content to be included, as that would be in serious violation of

^Mouse

19:23, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello Wesley! I have edited the JESC 2012 article to change the language of the Belarus entry lyrics to Russian as its current state is erroneous. You can see official lyrics in the Cyrillic script on the Official JESC 2012 lyrics page. The easiest way to distinguish three Eastern Slavic language is to find the I-sounds (Russian uses only И and Ы, Ukrainian uses И, І and Ї, while Belarusian alphabet limits I-sounds to І and Ы). You can see that the lyrics contain И and Ы - a set that can only be found in the Russian language. I haven't found any official sources that the song is composed in the Belarusian language. Also, I 'm a native Russian speaker and I can tell Russian from Belarusian. Take care! Maxim. --Mukaltin (talk) 15:40, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

There were 3 or 4 sources that I remember seeing that stated the language was in Belarusian and not Russian, but I can't for the life of me remember off hand, as I have since been involved in a hit and run accident where a car purposely knocked me down on a busy road, and has caused some memory issues. Looking at another source though [ESCKaz they have listed the song as Russian, so I suppose that should be enough to cite and verify the language until we know more at a later date.

^Mouse

16:30, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Calm down :) I've just tested it and see no changes whatsoever to any articles. The user removed it from the 'logo' and the old 'map' (which does not generate the 'i'), 'map year' is the perimeter which we now use. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 20:27, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Ohhh that's OK then. I get very protective over the templates, as I remember just how much tension they create when people just start altering them willy-nilly without 1) stating in the edit summary first time around and/or 2) notifying the project talk page. The massive arguments over templates 7 months ago still still gives me nightmares.

^Mouse

20:32, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

I removed the BLPPROD from the article. A BLPPROD cannot be placed if any reference is present. Bgwhite (talk) 05:31, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

But the reference that is present is citing the award won, and not citing anything about person. If you view the source it doesn't even clarify what it is citing. Nor does the source even verify the artist's date of birth or anything. In fact the details on the source don't verify anything that is on the article. 11:38, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Her own website is present. Unfortunately, this is enough to not place the BLPPROD tag. I don't like it, but that is what was decided. Bgwhite (talk) 17:05, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

How bizarre that is then, because the guidance on sources state a source needs to verify what it is citing. Yet the source on that particular article is citing the awards section, yet upon reading the source it doesn't verify what its citing. That confused me. Anyhow, I suppose I should do the right thing and help to improve the article rather than PROD it. I'm not normally a prodder lol.

^Mouse

12:30, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

I've noticed you are more of a lover than a prodder :) Of course I do have a wife, so I don't exactly remember what love is. :)

It is very bizarre and I don't understand it. The reliable source issue came up again recently and again last year. Some editors are vehemently opposed. The last discussion is here. If it makes you feel any better, in the past month, two admins and one bureaucrat didn't know about it either.

I noticed that you also removed the ProjectEurovision banner from that article's talk page when you don't have the right to do that. Per guidance at

^Mouse

12:00, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Anybody can add or remove tags. Sorry, I had no idea a Korean song festival would be part of Eurovision. Doesn't make sense, but I guess you have your reasons. Bgwhite (talk) 17:05, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

I must disagree on that one, because the team at Project Council advised me that anyone can add a banner, but it is ultimately the decision of the project to whom the banner is for, whether they decide to keep it there or remove it. And that is also verified at

^Mouse

12:30, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you to a point. I would add as long as it follows the project's guidelines. I've had members of a project add their tags to BLPs. Problem being is that WP Film, WP Sports and WP Universities don't include people. I recently had a member of WP Germany saying I was tagging wrong, problem being is I was tagging what the guidelines said to do.

I would rephrase it saying a project's member can add/remove tags as long as they are following the project's guidelines. WP Eurovision decided ABU was part of the project, so I was wrong in removing it and you were right in re-adding it... didn't matter if you were/weren't a member.

The highpoint of Eurovision has to be Lordi. That was entertainment. The lowpoint was the Russians last year. I'm still trying to forget those grannies. Bgwhite (talk) 05:43, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Ahh someone who agrees with Lordi and disagrees with the Grannies. I share the same feelings with you on that.

^Mouse

13:32, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

November 2012

Your monthly ProjectEurovision newsletter has arrived. Click show to open.

EUROVISION monthly Issue: XXIV ARCHIVES • UNSUBSCRIBE Editor's Message Bienvenue! Välkommen! Welcome! We are almost at the end of another great Eurovision year, with preparations now well under way for the cited - remember every article has to pass the Wikipedia:Notability guideline independently. There is a lot going on at watchlist. The current RfC on country article layout is suffering from a lack of participation - myself and others may not agree with every suggestion made, but we won't bite people's heads off, so please feel free to comment! If you feel like you'll be out of your depth over there, you should know that it was a suggestion by a newbie that resulted in a complete re-structuring of all Eurovion templates, so you don't have to be an "old timer" to bring new ideas to the table! On the same page is a proposal to re-license Eurovision logos uploaded locally , and since this will have a big impact on how we handle logos, some further feedback would be appreciated. As always, be on the look out for potential new members to the project. Post {{subst:EurovisionInvite}} (which will produced this template) on any user page you think is interested to join the WikiProject, to officially invite them to join. If you would like something to appear in the next edition of Eurovision Monthly, then please inform us at the Project Newsdesk . If there is an article you think we should have? Request it here. And finally... a massive thank you to all members of the project for your constant hard work on collaborating and contributing to Eurovision related articles. Keep up the good work team! Happy editing! CT Cooper Headlines Eurovision Song Contest - Malmö 2013 Please can we also remember to keep this article well presented based on the layout that was agreed upon via the Project RfC. If in doubt, check Eurovision Song Contest 2012 as an example. That article is using the new layout format and gained the project it's first GA-class on annual pages. Let's maintain that high standard. Also remember to communicate with fellow project members via the Project talk page , as communication is an important tool if we aim to collaborate as part of a team. Please only add countries who have explicitly stated they will be competing, citing a reliable source. Anything not cited may be removed. If in doubt - ask someone for an opinion! Junior Eurovision Song Contest - Amsterdam 2012 The tenth edition of the Junior Eurovision Song Contest is scheduled to take place on the 1 December 2012, in Amsterdam, Netherlands. Twelve countries have confirmed their participation with Albania, Azerbaijan, and Israel making their début. As the contest will be starting in the next few weeks, then the article may become subjected to vandalism from random IP accounts. Please be vigilant and revert any vandalism that you find. Thank you. ABU Song Festivals - Seoul 2012 ABU Radio Song Festival 2012 - On 11 October 2012 the first ABU Radio Song Festival took place in the Korean capital of Seoul. South Korea won the Grand Prix award with the song "For a Rest" performed by boy band Billy Acoustie. Danielle Blakey representing Australia won the gold award with the song "Fearless", Brunei received the silver award with the song "The sweetest memory" performed by Maria Aires, with Sammy Ray Jones also representing Australia receiving the bronze award with his song "Rinet". K-Town Clan representing Malaysia received the special jury award with their song "Party Animal" and thus finished in fifth place. ABU TV Song Festival 2012 - Eleven countries performed in the first ABU TV Song Festival on 14 October 2012. The contest was non-competitive and thus no winners. ABU Radio Song Festival -  Australia 2014 ABC Australia . As it is too soon to start work on the new article, can we please try and avoid creating one. Unless of course, there's enough information out there that would warrant an early creation. See also Eurovision Young Musicians • Eurovision Young Dancers • Eurovision Dance Contest Page Milestones Anggun passed the GA review on 18 October 2012, and has become the project's latest article to achieve this accolade. Project Alerts Please remember to keep checking the project articles that have been flagged up as an alert. Since our last publication the following are listed as alerts: Requests for Comment at WP:ESC started on 13 September 2012. (see discussion ) Project article clean-up The following is a list of ProjectEurovision-related articles that need some extensive improvement work doing them. Abdi İpekçi Arena Armenia in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2011 Azerbaijan in the Eurovision Dance Contest Congratulations: 50 Years of the Eurovision Song Contest Denmark in the Eurovision Dance Contest Forum Copenhagen Georgia in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2011 Greece in the Eurovision Song Contest 2007 Greece in the Eurovision Song Contest 2011 Green Glens Arena Grieg Hall Harrogate International Centre History of the Eurovision Song Contest Is It True? Israel in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest Palace of Sports, Kiev Palais de Beaulieu Palais des Festivals et des Congrès Portugal in the Eurovision Song Contest Saku Suurhall Arena Selecția Națională Skonto Hall To discontinue receiving Eurovision Monthly and Eurovision Mini-Memorandums, please remove your name from here.

This newsletter was delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 10:46, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I based my decision on what happened for Ukranian participation (see here and there).

Now it's confirmed and there aren't no more problems. --Gce (talk) 16:18, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi

I totally forgotten about this to be honest, preoccupied trying to gather together 217 London 2012 volunteers to participate in the

^Mouse

18:40, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Well I'll leave you to organise it then. Best of Luck. (a) and (b) also apply to me, but I might watch it on TV. By the way, those two articles appear to have a good chance at GAN. I've not checked references; and reviews much represent the personality of the reviewer: there are some good reviewers, bad, competent and incompetent/misguided, and every point in between these four extremities so its the luck of the draw. Pyrotec (talk) 19:34, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Just wanted to drop by and give a friendly hello, and say that I am semi-active on the site right now as I have a problem with my computer which will hopefully be fixed within the next week or so. I find it annoying and I can only do edits a few times a week right now. But on the other hand it has been quite good and relaxing to be on a semi-break from Wikipedia. Then when I have my computer back and working I can do edits with renewed enthusiasm. Cheers.--BabbaQ (talk) 18:28, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Just wanted to let you know that user Erica has started to do her gossip magazine edits again on Paris Hilton. This user seem to be unwilling to learn and take suggestions to heart again and again editingthe Paris Hilton article into a gossip magazine article. --BabbaQ (talk) 17:07, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for the late response. Been busy the last couple of weeks organising a few events and I've started a new job last weekend at the pub too. On my next day off I will have a look at what Erica has been doing.

^Mouse

17:17, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

OK, well nice to hear from you anyway. OK thank you.--BabbaQ (talk) 18:02, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

December 2012

Your monthly ProjectEurovision newsletter has arrived. Click show to open.

EUROVISION monthly Issue: XXV JESC 2012 ARCHIVES • UNSUBSCRIBE Editor's Message Bienvenue! Välkommen! Welcome! With the festive season a matter of days away and 2012 rapidly drawing to a close, I'd like to take the time to reflect on the last 12 months as a project community, and look ahead to 2013. 2012 witnessed the period when Azerbaijan got to showcase their capital city Baku to the rest of Europe. Preparations for the contest were not the smoothest ever seen, but come the day of the contest everything seemed to have knitted together OK. Concerns over the longevity of the Junior Contest were also raised when the lowest participation ever recorded. Fans worried that the contest would be brought to an abrupt end, however, with 3 new countries debuting the contest went ahead as planned. The project also seen the start of two new contests, ABU Radio Song Festival and ABU TV Song Festival, which were both staged in the Korean capital of Seoul. The host nation won the first edition of the festival. And so we look ahead to 2013, with Sweden hosting the Eurovision Song Contest for a fifth time, and for the second time in the city of Malmö. Vietnam is expected to host the 2013 ABU TV Song Festival, with the Radio Festival having a year break, which won't be hosted again until 2014 in Australia. Details about the 2013 Junior Eurovision Song Contest are still unknown. As always, be on the look out for potential new members to the project. Post {{subst:EurovisionInvite}} (which will produced this template) on any user page you think is interested to join the WikiProject, to officially invite them to join. And so I would like to take this opportunity to wish all our project members a Very Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year! Wesley Headlines Eurovision Song Contest - Malmö 2013 Please can we also remember to keep this article well presented based on the layout that was agreed upon via the Project RfC. If in doubt, check Eurovision Song Contest 2012 as an example. That article is using the new layout format and gained the project it's first GA-class on annual pages. Let's maintain that high standard. Also remember to communicate with fellow project members via the Project talk page , as communication is an important tool if we aim to collaborate as part of a team. Please only add countries who have explicitly stated they will be competing, citing a reliable source. Anything not cited may be removed. If in doubt - ask someone for an opinion! Junior Eurovision Song Contest - Amsterdam 2012 Ukraine won the tenth edition of the Junior Eurovision Song Contest, in Amsterdam, Netherlands, with the song "Nebo" performed by Anastasia Petryk. Twelve countries participated with Albania, Azerbaijan, and Israel making their début. ABU TV Song Festival -  Vietnam 2013 No news as to the host country on the internet, although the 2013 ABU General Assembly is scheduled to take place in Vietnam. ABU Radio Song Festival -  Australia 2014 ABC Australia . As it is too soon to start work on the new article, can we please try and avoid creating one. Unless of course, there's enough information out there that would warrant an early creation. See also Eurovision Young Musicians • Eurovision Young Dancers • Eurovision Dance Contest If you would like something to appear in the next edition of Eurovision Monthly, then please inform us at the Project Newsdesk . If there is an article you think we should have? Request it here. Page Milestones ABU Radio Song Festival 2012 was nominated for GA review on 24 November 2012. ABU TV Song Festival 2012 was nominated for GA review on 24 November 2012. Project Alerts Please remember to keep checking the project articles that have been flagged up as an alert. Since our last publication the following are listed as alerts: Requests for Comment at WP:ESC started on 13 September 2012. (see discussion ) Project article clean-up The following is a list of ProjectEurovision-related articles that need some extensive improvement work doing them. Andrej Babić Angel (Mika Newton song) Armenia in the Eurovision Song Contest 2008 Austria in the Eurovision Song Contest 2013 Belgium in the Eurovision Song Contest 2013 Edyta Herbuś Finland in the Eurovision Song Contest 2008 France in the Eurovision Song Contest 1996 France in the Eurovision Song Contest 2008 Georgia in the Eurovision Song Contest 2008 Germany in the Eurovision Dance Contest Greece in the Eurovision Song Contest 2006 Ireland in the Eurovision Dance Contest Ireland in the Eurovision Song Contest Israel in the Eurovision Song Contest 2013 Krajowe Eliminacje do Konkursu Piosenki Eurowizji Marcel Bezençon Moldova in the Eurovision Song Contest Netherlands in the Eurovision Song Contest 2013 Netherlands in the Eurovision Dance Contest Norway in the Eurovision Song Contest Poland in the Eurovision Song Contest 2007 Romania in the Eurovision Song Contest Serbia in the Eurovision Song Contest Slovenia in the Eurovision Song Contest 1995 Slovenia in the Eurovision Song Contest 1996 Spain in the Eurovision Dance Contest Switzerland in the Eurovision Dance Contest Ukraine in the Eurovision Song Contest To discontinue receiving Eurovision Monthly and Eurovision Mini-Memorandums, please remove your name from here.

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A bit ago, I gave a reliable source. — Preceding

Merry Christmas

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	May your Christmas sparkle with moments of love, laughter and goodwill, May the year ahead be full of contentment and joy, May the good times and treasures of the present become the golden memories of tomorrow, Merry Christmas To U & Ur Family. BabbaQ (talk) 18:59, 24 December 2012 (UTC)