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Hello! It's just me again. I have been thinking about a pic of the Russian Church in Visby, that there might be something in an archive at the museum or something. I know that the father of one of my friends was present at the excavation of the church and that maybe there could be some pic from that. Unfortunately it seems like the museum has removed its photo collections from the Internet. :( But there are some that you could claim as "fair use" if you want to. There is the sketch here or the pic of the excavated foundation (including skeleton) here. I could also just drop by and take a pic of the building now residing on top of the ruins, like the pic of the "Ryska gården" at the Guteinfo-site. I noticed you have a similar take on the pic for the Solberga Abbey. Just let me know. :) At least I can provide you with a detail from the old Visby map. I cropped it and just uploaded it. It is most likely a depiction of the Russian Church in Visby. It matches the location and the sketched reconstructions of the church based on facts found at the excavation of the foundations 1971. Best, w.carter-Talk 10:42, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello! I see we have been considering the same problem :) Hm, it's a bit tricky, for sure! Your idea to use one of the linked images is great, I didn't know you could claim fair use in this way, but then again I've always been bad at understanding the copyright rules - to me it's a big jungle. :) But I will study them more carefully, sounds like it might come in handy! For now though I think this excellent crop from the map should be sufficient, and for some reason I really like the image as such as well. How very nice to get rid of the white blank spot - thanks! :) Ciao, Yakikaki (talk) 11:38, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

I think this pic is actually nicer than the reconstruct sketch. It's in color and seems "friendly" in some way. Pity the map only covers Visby within the wall, otherwise we might have a similar one for Solberga Abbey. If I come across something I'll let you know. See ya! w.carter-Talk 11:56, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

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Nearly all the information that you added to this article was useful but 'none of it conformed to the way in which the information was formatted.

• The lists of examples for England, France and Germany etc don't contain subsections for different regions. Information about regions is listed under the influences, not under the list of buildings.
• None of the examples of buildings have the name of their country in brackets.

A basic rule of successful editting is to look at the way that previous edits have been done, and if what you see is consistent (rather than a mess that needs tidying up) then follow through on what you see.

I forgot to mention that buildings are only listed if they have articles. If you write articles about some of the non-listed churches that are significant, then list them. But keep in mind that the numbers of significant churches are proportionally small in Scandinavia. In France, England and Italy there are literally hundreds of churches that are Romanesque or have significant Romanesque parts, but have been omitted, with only some of the most important making it to the list. It would be easy to create an imbalance by including almost every Romanesque building in Sweden and only a very small percent of the Romanesque churches of France. The list for the UK, for example, only includes two of the finest, least altered, parish churches, where in fact there are a very large number that retain significant Romanesque parts.

Amandajm (talk) 13:31, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I finally got to expanding Alice Habsburg with the Polish source [1], but I am afraid it may be too late for a DYK nom? Perhaps you could submit it anyway, and blame the delay on me - I'll gladly fess up to it and do an extra DYK review to appease the reviewer. If each of us does a review (so two instead of a regular one) maybe we can have this DYKed? (PS. Bare URL ref for now because Dispenser is being difficult again). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:17, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi, thanks a lot for the expansion, it looks much better already! Hm, well, we can try to get it DYK-nominated but my albeit limited earlier experience of DYK has been that it's quite formalistic. For my own part, I'm satisfied with just having the article and bringing it up to good standard, but if you want we can make an attempt at DYK? Thanks for all the help, Yakikaki (talk) 11:17, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

On 2 September 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Tynnelsö Castle, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the medieval Tynnelsö Castle (pictured) in Sweden was once given to a niece-in-law of Ukrainian hetman Ivan Mazepa? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Tynnelsö Castle. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 12:02, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

On 5 September 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Hörningsholm Castle, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Hörningsholm Castle, Sweden has been pillaged by Danish and burnt by Russian troops? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hörningsholm Castle. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:02, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

So, you have finally found your true self. :) Good choice! Here is something to see you through the winter. Zzzzz.... w.carter-Talk 19:56, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Mmm, looks tasty! Zzzz... :) Yakikaki (talk) 20:02, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Btw, the barn pic at Structural integrity and failure was by the road 2 km before coming to Bara Church Ruin. I saw it on my way to Bara and took the pic on the way back. So the pic exists thanks to your suggestions. :) It pays to listen to you. w.carter-Talk 20:12, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

You are far too kind :) Yakikaki (talk) 20:54, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Btw, have you ever used the LIBRIS catalogue? It is great for fixing the "cite book". If you know the name or author of the book, you enter it in the search box on any page. Like if I want all the facts for the ref for "Svenska ostindiska compagnierna 1731-1813", I enter that and end up here. I click on the most likely book and end up at this page. This page can be used as the url for the book in the ref. Then I click on the "Skapa referens" (middle of the page), scroll down and there is everything I need for the ref. Just copy and paste to the cite book. Very handy. No mistakes in spelling or ISBN-numbers. I use it all the time, especially if the title is long. :) Pity it's in Swedish and can't just be copied as a whole, but is some help anyway. Best, w.carter-Talk 21:06, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Hey, sorry for the belated answer, it's been quite hectic at work lately. Hm, interesting about the flag! I'll incorporate it into Svindersvik for sure - thanks for the great research! I've encountered Libris a few times but never got the hang of how to use it, or quite frankly, what it was. So thanks for the suggestion, I'll be sure to check it out. It seems a lot more convenient and also safe, in the sense that you're sure to get it right. Very Swedish, essentially :) Ciao for now, Yakikaki (talk) 19:28, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello! Have a rest now from your exhausting week. :) I just post when it's convenient, and you read at your leisure. Libris is actually the catalogue for all books in Swedish libraries, so quite comprehensive. Aside from the spelling thing, I also use it to see if a book I want is available at my little library in Visby or if I have to order it from some other library. The bureaucracy in Sweden can be a tad too much sometimes, but it has its advantages. Have a nice weekend! w.carter-Talk 20:59, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

On 23 September 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Örbyhus Castle, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the Swedish king Eric XIV was imprisoned and ultimately died in Örbyhus Castle (pictured)? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Örbyhus Castle. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

On 25 September 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Hovdala Castle, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Hovdala Castle in Sweden belonged to the same family from 1651 to 1944? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hovdala Castle. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:03, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

	The Gotlandic Sheep Badge
	To churches and ruins on Gotland, (...and they are many...). In Gotland, the gift of a sheep in any form is a token of respect and friendship. w.carter-Talk 23:13, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Oh, how kind of you, and such a beautiful sheep, with its little flag! I assure you, it's a pure pleasure to write about that beautiful island :) Yakikaki (talk) 07:34, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello! Hope you don't mind, but I went and added all the translations for titles, websites, language tags, etc. in the refs that I was asked to do on my GANs, I suspect it might be the same for FANs so... The reflist became a bit long because of this, so I made it into a {{reflist|30em}} instead. Hope it's ok, revert it otherwise. The reviewer also wanted some English sources, but since these are hard to come by they have to settle for som further reading in English. I added a new section for some that are relevant. I'm going to pay a visit to one of the bookshops in Visby and see if I can't find info on some tourist books to add. List is looking very good! :) Best, w.carter-Talk 23:39, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much! You're very kind, as always, and I think you should be included in the nomination, for all the work you've done. And I'll try to make use of Libris as you told me, I know a few books that could probably be added to the further reading section. Always a pleasure working with you, @W.carter:!

Dito! But then again I enjoy true cooperation so much more than just fixing something by myself. :) No way I'm taking credit for this. It is your article. I'm not doing more than all of the editors helping me with my GAs. I have also taking the liberty of asking for a copy edit of the article. This is customary before submitting an article for GA or FA, so I think we better get it over with. See ya! w.carter-Talk 22:23, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Just to let you know: I used a cleanup script on the list, it is very effective in finding all the little formatting tings I tend to forget or overlook, but it always has to be checked afterwards since it sometimes, like here, can be a bit too automatic for some links. These have to be corrected afterwards. Best, w.carter-Talk 15:03, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

OK, thanks! I'll look into it :) The copyedit help was very welcome, also! Best, Yakikaki (talk) 15:07, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I see you already addressed the issue. Many thanks, as always! Yakikaki (talk) 15:12, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it is always best to do right away. So not 100% accurate, but it is really nice to not have to worry about all the spaces, /,-,etc. and other formatting mistakes that are sooo hard to find otherwise. w.carter-Talk 15:18, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it seems very useful, as you point out. I wanted to ask you something about it, actually. You recommended it to me earlier, and I must admit that it seems very handy, but I'm still not quite sure how it works. I was thinking it would be a good thing to run all the church articles through such a script to find all those annoying little things. Would it be too much trouble if I asked you to tell me how to do it? If you have the time and inclination, of course! Yakikaki (talk) 15:31, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

No trouble at all. :) They are very easy to install and use. It is all done automatically. This script that I used now is a different one from the first one I talked about. The way you do it is that you create a new subpage called User:Yakikaki /common.js. You can see mine here: User:W.carter/common.js.

After that you just copy the code for the scripts you want to use and save. Refresh your page and the script is turned on. Let's start with the first script that turn links into different colors. Start your commons.js page and copy this code to it and save:

importScript('User:Anomie/linkclassifier.js'); // Linkback: User:Anomie/linkclassifier.js
importStylesheet('User:Anomie/linkclassifier.css'); // Linkback: User:Anomie/linkclassifier.css

The different colors are described at User:Anomie/linkclassifier and this is the picture of how it looks File:Wikipedia screenshot Barlingbo Church.jpg. Just let me know when you have done this and tried out this script before we move on to the next. You need to become a bit accustomed to scripts before going on to the next. This first is a good way of learning. If you have any trouble, just ping me! w.carter-Talk 16:08, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! It looks really neat :) I'll try to play around a bit and learn my ways as you suggest. Thanks again, pal! Yakikaki (talk) 16:26, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Just ping me when you are ready for the next. Cheers, w.carter-Talk 16:37, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello! I saw that you are working on the list of churches on Gotland. You are certainly not afraid of work! :) That is one major undertaking. Very nice. Just wondering how "picky" you want to be with the list? There are some churches in and about Visby that I pass by almost every day and could take pics of if you want to, active churches that might not be the first thing you think of when talking about Gotlandic churches. I saw that you included the catholic church. There are even some that are not used as churches any more but were built like churches. Those that come to mind are: Terra Novakyrkan, Visborgskyrkan, Tjelvarkyrkan, Pingstkyrkan, this (don't know the name) and this that is now a theatre. Also Gnisvärd kapell and Koviks kapell. Cheers, w.carter-Talk 16:04, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello! Thank you for your kind words, and the very kind proposal! :) I've been thinking a bit and I do think it makes sense to include all that there are; I spotted a few of the ones you mention on the church of Sweden webpage earlier and was planning to add them, too. So, yes please, if it's not too much trouble and you'd be happy to do it, I'd be very happy and grateful for pictures of Terra Novakyrkan, Tjelvarkyrkan and Pingstkyrkan, as well as the one which is unknown, if it's still operating. As for the theatre, I don't know, as all the other churches in the list are functioning in their capacity of churches, perhaps it's not necessary to include it? I have so far also excluded chapels, but I'm not dogmatic in any way about it. Still, it's a bit more work... ;) I don't know, I have to think a bit about the chapels. Perhaps it's a question of notability? Would you, who live there, include them in the list? OK, here's some food for thought I guess. In the meanwhile, have a nice Sunday evening! Best, Yakikaki (talk) 15:32, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi! As with any topic here on Gotland there are always two lists when it comes to notability: One of the things that we who live here think is important, and one with the things that tourists finds interesting. To add to it there is the Visby vs the rest of the island, just as relevant today as in the 1300s. :-/ Such lists always have many commons items, but they are never the same. I think that a list on the WP should include both. The modern churches such as Tjelvar and Terra Nova are very important the community, but you will never find them in a tourist brochure. The chapels on the other hand are always mentioned among "the churches" in tourist stuff. They are being frequently used for weddings, christenings and other ceremonies and are situated in places where people spend their vacation so in many ways they are more notable than the ones listed with the Church of Sweden. I think the best way is to include all that are mentioned in one way or another on official websites. That would include all the ones mentioned here and here. Pngstkyrkan is not mentioned anywhere, since it is not part of the Church of Sweden, but since the catholic church is included, we might go with all versions of faith. Weather permitting it, I will take pictures the next time I am in the neighborhood of these buildings. Skip the one converted to a theatre, otherwise we would have a whole bunch of converted churches to deal with as well. I'll check if the unknown one is still in use. Right now I am spending a lot of time at my computer, but have to work on other things than the WP, so I still get the notifications if there is anything you want. Cheers, w.carter-Talk 16:41, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! That sounds like an excellent plan, I'll include these ones as well. Always a pleasure working with you, Carter! -Yakikaki (talk) 16:57, 12 October 2014 (UTC)