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Hello. I have looked over the block and determined that it was fair and called for. Bishonen is not one to throw around blocks for personal attack without reason. That whole discussion was full of snarky nasty remarks.

Before I am willing to reverse this block I need to be convince that you understand this was inappropriate and agree to act in a more civil fashion in the future I am willing the reverse this block. Your unblock request and conversation after show a lack of this understanding.

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I know. However the way it was being used was not consistant with the claim of fair use.Geni 05:50, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Read the tag.Geni 06:21, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of those other scanned pages are copyvios as well and will be delt with. The problem is that the article does not comment on the specific image and issue.Geni 08:28, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No it has to reference that specific photo So along the lines of; photo/ front page X is considered a claissic example etc etc. Of course this could be tricky to do but fiar use isn't meant to be easy.Geni 08:56, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

pa ako mozes da ne brises ponovo ono sto sam dopisao(ako ti ni prvi put nisi to radio,onda ti se izvinjavam)Dzoni 14:49, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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I am kindly asking you not to revert images with colours corrected to previous lower quality versions.

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Please do not use {test} templates in cases like this where what the user is doing is clearly not Vandalism. While Afrika paprika is being disruptive and most likely violating policy, using a template like that does nothing to help the situation. The user is clearly not vandalising the article per the definition of vandalism, and should not be treated as a new user trying out editing in an improper way when it is rather obvious that he is trying to promote a particular POV. Please take the time to write a real warning, which takes into account the situation. --Philosophus ^T 11:03, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just wondering why you changed it back? Do you oppose using the actual name of the team? It seems UEFA officially uses FK Crvena Zvezda in English. --Lowg 02:26, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Ok, I'm listening.

As far as #1 of

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"I didn't see one or don't have one at my disposal".. this never implies that one couldn't be created. --Abu Badali 15:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As for

turbofolk genre has a very pronounced visual component and this image showing the early look of turbofolk adds a lot to the quality and comprehension of the entire article.Zvonko 04:08, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply

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This makes sense. This image seems ok to be used in the Turbo-folk article, but not in Ceca. --Abu Badali 15:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Source

So, what should be placed as a source? And while, you're at it why were the other two images taken down in the middle of discussion? The source info may have been removed in the fair use discussion but there was no warning message or anything. Seeing that the source for this image has been listed by you as "missing", am I going to find it suddenly taken down too. Zvonko 01:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As I explained in the edit summary, use the newspaper name and publication date. But if the newspaper is not this image's copyright holder, it must contain information on who is. But in this case, the tag is wrong and must be changed. --Abu Badali 01:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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About Otpor, and the country's involvement

I know what you're saying, and you're not wrong. Montenegro under the DPS was not very active in the FR Yugoslavia; they were concentrating on building their own walls and finding their way alone. The actions were within Serbia and remain a Serbian phenomenon. The problem is that ever since the creating of the FRY, the national name of the country until its final day in SCG was Serbia half the time and the national name for the other half. When I attended the Anti-NATO protest in March 1999 in London, the thousands of locals were chanting "Sr-bi-ja...Sr-bi-ja", then a few minutes later; you'd hear "Ju - Go - Slavija, Ju - Go - Slavija". Clearly people were confused and could not distinguish that the two entities were in direct conflict with each other, where-by at a national level, you can be one, or the other. Be that as it may, that's how it was. Now my purpose for adding terms such as "the federation", "Yugoslav", "the national" etc. on this page as with all others: the basis for the popular dissidency was dissatisfaction with administration from the highest level. Millions felt that the key to a good future is a good relationship with the western states, and only the central government stood between the citizens and the rest of the western world. And ultimately, it was the Yugoslav presidency which was ousted, and legally, it did have powers over Montenegro, and Montenegrins in turn were elligible to contribute to running the republic whether these privileges were taken or not. I think it would be a good idea if one of us revise the page from top to bottom and restore Serbia in about half of the slots (in a way that people know); or introduce a new section explaining what we both know (this as I have written it). I just feel that to continue using "Serb, Serb, Serb" is sloppy and unofficial. Do you see what I'm suggesting? Evlekis 07:54, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Zvonko, I think that we should use full names of the persons we are writing about. For example, Milenko Stefanović, also a clarinetist, is better known as Mima Stefanović; however, article about him has been entitled Milenko Stefanović. I suggest to give this article its previous name - Božidar Milošević. --Andrija 13:21, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Foreigners in Ukraine

In your recent edit on list of foriegn footballers in Ukraine, you merged Kosovars and Albanians together. I don't support Kosovo's independence but put them separate since some users changed the flag icons to Kosovo and those players were born in Serbia. Why don't you want them in a separate category, since those Albanians are trying to call themselves Kosovars? (I don't think it is acknowledging the Kosovan independence but is just showing that those players are rebels that support Kosovan independence, what do you think?) --Shustfan (talk) 20:10, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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"Rok mašina" & "Kraljevski apartman"

Zdravo, Zvonko!

Primetio sam da si imena članaka "Rok Mašina" i "Kraljevski Apartman" promenio u "Rok mašina" i "Kraljevski apartman".

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Ovo je omot prvog albuma grupe Rok Mašina. Na omotu se nalazi i njihov logo (ne samo ispisano ime benda, već logo, jer se nalazi i na omotu njihovog drugog albuma Izrod na granici, kao i na omotu singla "Vatra" / "Bilo mi je bolje"). Primetićeš da je slovo "M" jasno napisano velikim slovom. Da ne bih bez potrebe uploadovao neki omot Kraljevskog Apartmana (još ne razmiščjam da počnem rad na člancima o njihovim albumima), mogao bi da posetiš njihov zvaničan sajt: www.kraljevski-apartman.com. Iako je sajt pomalo zastareo, već pri njegovom otvaranju ćeš primetiti da je početno slovo u reči "Apartman" napisano veliko. To je logo Kraljevskog Apartmana, ali kako je logo nastao tek pre par godina, nalazi se samo na omotu albuma Ruka pravde, Best Of Live i DVD-a 10 godina sa vama - Live SKC. Bez obzira na to, na omotu albuma Rocker "Apartman" je napisano sa velikim početnim "A". (Izuzetak su omoti albuma Long Live Rock 'n' Roll i Izgubljen u vremenu, na kojima su sva slova u imenu benda velika.)

Nekim mojim drugovima i meni (a mi smo, kako smo do sada zapazili, najangažovaniji oko članaka koji se tiču srpske rock muzike) smeta što se prema našim rock bendovima često odnosimo sa nekom vrstom nepoštovanja. Jer, ako se imena bendova The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Sex Pistols itd. (zapravo svako dvočlano ili višečlano ime) pišu sa svim velikim početnim slovima (i toje praksa u čitavom svetu!), zašto takav slučaj ne bi bio i sa našim bendovima (a naša rock scena nije nešto što postoji nekoliko godina, složićeš se)? Istina je da se u našoj štampi dvočlana i višečlana imena bendova često pišu malim početnim slovom (to radi čak i Petar Janjatović u svojoj kapitalnoj Ilustrovanoj ex-Yu rock enciklopediji!), mada ja (kao u ostalom i većina ljudi) smatram da je to greška. Čak i kada je ovo pitanje diskutabilno, kao kod, recimo, Riblje Čorbe ili Bijelog Dugmeta, gde su sva slova u logou mala, ili Kerbera i Azre gde su sva slova u logou velika, čini mi se da je u slučaju Rok Mašine i Kraljevskog Apartmana reč samog benda dovoljna, i da bend može najbolje da govori u svoje ime (bar što se njegovog imena tiče).

Dakle, ja bih lako mogao da imena bendova vratim u "Rok Mašina" i u "Kraljevski Apartman" (kako sam ih prvobitno i napisao :)), ali bi ih ti verovatno vratio u "Rok mašina" i "Kraljevski apartman", pa bi ih ja ponovo vratio... I tako bez kraja i konca. Ali ovo prepuštam tebi, i nadam se da ćeš ispraviti svoju grešku.

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FRY in Eurovision SC

The election was held as if it was the SFRY that would be represented. Preformers from Slovenia, Croatia and Macedonia had cancelled their appearances but preformers from Bosnia and Herzegovina have not cancelled. In that time 1992 Bosnia and Herzegovina considered it a part of SFRY and I think even had the orriginal name Socialist Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina (like SR Montenegro until 1993).

So the representative has been elected under the red star and competed in the main ESC 1992 without the red star. This means a fact which should be represented in Wikipedia. Yugoslavia despit sanctions competed but this was a preformance for the old SFRY.

PFRY and SFRY are one the same but SFRY/FRY in 1992 is not the FRY after 2000 which stopped claiming that it was the sole successor of SFRY. Before 2000 FRY claimed just that the complete successor for SFRY.

Stop your revertments. Please.

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Stop your futile attempts of trying to wash away the past of FRY. FRY participated in ESC 1992 with a song that was elected to represent a part of SFRY (B & H, Montenegro, Serbia). Croatia, Macedonia and Slovenia opted not to vote nor to send their representatives to Belgrade. The sittuation around FRY should be separated from the SFRY and also separated from the SCG. -- Imbris (talk) 21:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi! Sorry to disturb you, I've got a question for you: people born in

register office is written Josip Katalinski), or was he born Јосип Каталински (so the transliteration "Josip Katalinski" is a later adaptation)? Thank you! --necronudist (talk) 18:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply

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Ahahah, thank you really much! So: people born in Macedonia were registered in Macedonian Cyrillic, the others... randomly. Maybe Latin, maybe Cyrillic. You say you are referred in Latin in certain documents, and in Cyrillic in others. Is the same for people born in post-Yugoslavia countries? If you were born in today Croatia would you have been referred also in Cyrillic in certain documents? I mean: you're known in Cyrillic in certain documents 'cause at the time Serbian Cyrillic was official language through the Kingdom. So it's correct to refer people born in Yugoslavia mainly with Serbian Cyrillic... am I right? --necronudist (talk) 20:12, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Don't be sorry Zvonko! We all have our tasks to do! Thank you for your amazing explanations... I asked you about this issue 'cause I was interested time ago in Soviet Union players, and I was wondering if they were born in their original "birth nations" scripts or in the Russian one. A Belarusian person told me that in Soviet Union IDs there was a row with the name in Russian, a line below, and the name in native script. So he had his name on the ID both in Russian Cyrillic and Belarusian Cyrillic. The Yugoslavian way is different: only one script is used, and it can be different from case to case. Now, a little recap:

• Bosnians: both Serbian Latin and Serbian Cyrillic were official scripts. (I think) higher probability of being registered in Serbian Cyrillic script.
• Croats: both Serbian Latin and Serbian Cyrillic were official scripts. Higher probability of being registered in Serbian Latin script.
• Macedonians: Macedonian (Cyrillic script) was the official language. People registered in Macedonian Cyrillic.
• Montenegrins: both Serbian Latin and Serbian Cyrillic were official scripts. (I think) higher probability of being registered in Serbian Cyrillic script.
• Serbians: both Serbian Latin and Serbian Cyrillic were official scripts. Higher probability of being registered in Serbian Cyrillic script.
• Slovenes: Slovene (Latin script) was the official language. People registered in Slovenian Latin.

Is this recap right?

Sorry Zvonko if I torment you :-) but, what about Kosovo and Vojvodina Autonomous Provinces? I'm being really interested in this issue...your explanations are really really really interesting! I'm learning a lot and I will never thank you enough! --necronudist (talk) 13:42, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Magomed Ibragimov

Hi Zvonko! I have also read your explanations about the Macedonian names - very interesting! So please allow me to ask you also for some help? It would be great if you can also add the Macedonian name to Magomed Ibragimov the only Olympic medalist for Macedonia? Many thanks in advance and kind regards Doma-w (talk) 17:59, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yugoslavia at Euro92

Hi Zvonko! Do you know where I can find the list of players called up for the tournament before the UEFA ban? 18 players left for Sweden, before they were forced to come back. Do you know anything more? Thank you!--necronudist (talk) 15:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi there ZVONKO, VASCO here,

As you did in Tomislav Ivković and many MANY other players, please stop changing - incorrectly - the name of the country to "Federal People's Republic of Yugoslavia", it is not the name of the WP article, and so creates a redirect.

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When I said mess I had meant the 17 or so edits before yours. You had added onto a mess of a page and the only way to correct it was to revert back to a non-messy version. Yours just got caught in the fixup. Sorry about that. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:58, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi there ZVONKO, VASCO here,

please add the players' name in the other alphabet in INTRO, but not in BOX, let's keep boxes compressed shall we?

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Is Blic even a reliable source? The article on the paper mentions a couple of accusations of libel. I'm sorry if I'm annoying you with this, but we have to be very, very strict about any negative information about living people. Zagalejo^^^ 07:13, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, I started a discussion here: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Blic. Some of the content you added might be salvageable - it's clear that he was punished for his altercation with the ref - but I want to make sure that we are totally accurate and neutral. Just bear with me. Zagalejo^^^ 07:22, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I do think the incident with the referee is worth mentioning, since a two-year suspension is a pretty big deal - even if the punishment was eventually modified. I added a little bit about it in the "Administrative career" section, using a different source. Zagalejo^^^ 03:04, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, Zvonko. I was very struck by your insults and bad-faith assumptions against User:Joy in this ANI thread, which I have just read. You have been editing the encyclopedia since 2005, and so have no possible excuse for not being aware that such toxic attacks on fellow editors are not allowed here. I have blocked you for 48 hours for egregious personal attacks. Your block log was previously clean, or I'd have made the block longer. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Bishonen | talk 13:34, 20 July 2014 (UTC).[reply]

• No need to call on me: that I didn't see them doesn't mean they weren't there. It is entirely possible that Bishonen is a much better reader of passive-aggressiveness or bad-faith assumptions than I am: I have faith in her judgment. Drmies (talk) 17:35, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• The reviewing admin should feel free to unblock without consulting me, if they want to. I thought the sneering way you attacked the person and their integrity and good faith was beyond the pale. That said, I agree Joy was unwise to challenge your Oppose, and to continue to reply to you. I just don't think it's any excuse. It appears however that User:Drmies is of a different opinion; perhaps he'd like to comment here. (Adding after edit conflict: ah, I see he already did. Well, all three of us had better wait for an uninvolved admin to review your unblock request, then.)

I thought at first it might help the reviewing admin if I added a few quotes from your input in that thread to point up what I mean, but probably not, as they will in any case have to form their own opinion of the thread, and context matters. It's not that long of a thread, anyway (only the subthread, that I link to above, is relevant).

Incidentally, no, the block had nothing to do with Joy's post on Drmies page. I do watch Drmies' page, and seeing Antidiskriminator's rather surprising post on it turn up on my watchlist, I went to read the long ANI thread. It took a while, and it convinced me that you had passed the limits of decency. I only saw Joy's post on my watchlist when I had already typed my block notice. The timing is a false friend; I'd been away from the computer for a while, as one is. Bishonen | talk 17:57, 20 July 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Alright, I appreciate you refraining from swaying the reviewing admin's mind further with your specific quote-based thoughts and analysis. Once the decision has been made, if you don't mind, I will request your personal input on what specifically made you have such a strong reaction to what I wrote to Joy and how you think a situation like this one should be handled in the future.Zvonko (talk) 21:53, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• I should have read all of this lengthy unblock request--like, where it says "his vindictiveness, fragile ego, and litigious nature....his baseless accusations and harassment". That should be enough for any admin to turn this down. Drmies (talk) 19:26, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So, you first make a claim on your talk page that I wasn't uncivil on the ANI thread, but then you support my block for being uncivil, something you didn't think I was, on the grounds that you're no good at reading and judging this kinda thing anyway and that you defer to the judgement of a person who did think I was uncivil.

Then hour and half later, you (hour and a half before that self-admittedly not that good at "reading passive-aggressiveness or bad-faith") suddenly feel comfortable making a suggestion to the reviewing admin that it's essentially OK to turn down my unblock request without bothering to read more than one sentence.

May I ask how do you imagine me getting a fair hearing by an untainted set of admin eyes now that you (another admin) suggested that several words "should be enough for any admin to turn down this request"? Context, order of cause and consequence, who initiated this, the validity of initial accusations... I guess none of that plays a role.Zvonko (talk) 21:38, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello. I have looked over the block and determined that it was fair and called for. Bishonen is not one to throw around blocks for personal attack without reason. That whole discussion was full of snarky nasty remarks.

Before I am willing to reverse this block I need to be convinced that you understand this was inappropriate and agree to act in a more civil fashion in the future. Your unblock request and conversation after show a lack of this understanding.

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Thanks for the review. I understand I used tone and level of sarcasm deemed inappropriate on Wiki and agree to keep that in mind going forward as I have during the previous almost a decade without any similar past issues. I let the emotions of anger get the better of me this time while defending from a false accusation and while I consciously took care to curtail my anger by avoiding profanity it definitely seems like I wasn't as receptive to the overall unpleasant tone.Zvonko (talk) 07:29, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Not sure whether Bishonen's decision to block me has anything to do with this post User:Joy left on User:Drmies' talk page (the timing would suggest so), but I'm appalled by this action, or rather its limit to me alone. Every individual has his/her criteria (cultural, gender, and upbringing related) when it comes to what they find uncivil in terms of the tone and manner of communication, but if Bishonen was, as he/she says, "struck" by my conduct on that thread and found me to be "toxic" and "egregious" then how Joy can escape censure is beyond me and really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I've been on Wiki 10 years now and have always tried to be constructive. I remind you that Joy is the one who initiated this back-and-forth on that ANI thread after I placed my vote. He did so by lobbing a baseless accusation my way of supposed bad 'behaviour' on another talk page. Perhaps I made an error in judgement by even engaging him in a discussion, seeing that he was clearly baiting me, though my initial response to his harassment was extremely calm. He didn't let up and it was only after he expanded on his initial harassment that I explained to him in detail why his charges were baseless and I also brought up his conduct on Talk:Dado Pršo where he ignored references. His response to this was to basically dismiss it as "being 8 years old", suggesting some kind of axe-grinding exercise in all of this. He then even went to the Dado Pršo page itself, deleting content for which references clearly existed all along on the article's talk page (and Joy was aware of them at some point in the past). I do not think much of Joy's admin conduct. I come across his edits from time to time on different Balkans-related topics, but always avoid engaging with him as his vindictiveness, fragile ego, and litigious nature do not allow for much productive to occur. However, this time I had to respond to his baseless accusations and harassment, especially in light of his conduct on Dado Prso that I became aware of recently. In closing, yes our back-and-forth that he initiated was warm-blooded, but I don't think it crossed over into uncivil territory and I see that User:Drmies, the closing admin of that ANI thread, agreed with that assessment. Zvonko (talk) 17:01, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

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I have unblocked you on your word, and based on the permission of the blocking admin. I see that you have a very long history of good editing and that was your first block. I hope this remains an isolated incident and you continue the good work you do here.

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