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The result was delete. ✗plicit 23:42, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Archery at the 2016 Pekan Olahraga Nasional

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I’m doubtful as to whether this record of an archery competition is notable, and it seems to fall foul of

WP:NOSTATS. Mccapra (talk) 13:39, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Delete Indonesia has only won a bronze medal at the Olympic Games.That shows that Indonesia does not have a big focus on archery. Wp9097 (talk) 00:31, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm undecided on notability until I do more research but I don't think Indonesia's medal status at the Olympics has anything to do with the notability of a completely unrelated event. I would oppose this argument, without expressing a view on deletion in general. Smartyllama (talk) 23:09, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Leaning delete for being so narrow as to fail WP:NOTSTATS. There are several other sports pages from the 2016 Pekan Olahraga Nasional there as well. Geschichte (talk) 13:52, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails
WP:GNG, quite simply. I actually found this nom after considering nominating all the articles in Category:2016 Pekan Olahraga Nasional for deletion. JBchrch talk 15:59, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 23:43, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of Muslim leaders from the Bharatiya Janata Party

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I cannot find a reason that this satisfies

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Strong delete. Fails
category/list policy for living persons). — kashmīrī ^TALK 23:37, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Delete per nom and Kashmiri, and additionally per
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Delete Also violates BLP. NavjotSR (talk) 05:04, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as above and "leader" is a wildly vague category. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 06:20, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete — A clear
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The result was speedy delete per

G5. Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 01:00, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Kamibekami

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Unfortunately, via socks, the speedy tag was removed. The prod tag was removed. So now we come here. Articles deleted numerous times, across multiple languages. Drafts declined numerous times. Lacks reliable sources. Lacks any sort of notability. Fewer than 300 subscribers on YouTube. I mean, there is nothing to suggest we need to host his information. Snackmurat (talk) 23:17, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination reasons. But I do have concern from reading a comment by @
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Sock puppet. Meat puppet. Member of the same troll farm. Whatever the proper term may be, I stand by my claim. These accounts and IP addresses are working in concert. Snackmurat (talk) 23:33, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well...I dropped a template warning on your talk page for the personal attack. I would recommend you read over

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Elijahandskip: Nonsense. There is ample evidence to support Snackmurat's claim. Drop it. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Alivahedian.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:06, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Ah there it is. Well, I did not know about that sockpuppet investigation and was going off of the contributions from Snackmurat and JackJons7. I had seen 1 edit from JackJons7 and no investigation project page edits from Snackmurat, so I was assuming personal attacks. Please disregard those comments. (Also surprised from the "Drop it" comment...seems too strict don't you think?)

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The result was soft delete. Based on

"soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 23:54, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Jabberd14

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Non-notable software. No notability shown since its creation in 2005. SL93 (talk) 21:45, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Although I found some coverage in this book and a thesis, they're not enough to pass
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 23:43, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kylie Page

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Horribly promotional non notable individual. The only reliable source out of 47 was from 2012 so clearly not about this individual.

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Delete. Nominator's assessment of sources is correct. Fails
WP:NACTOR without RS support. Of the 47 citations on the page, 31 are filmography listings, 11 are press releases promoting her appearances, 3 are interviews, one is IAFD, and the last one is not even about the subject. An independent search under all of her stage names comes up with nothing substantial. • Gene93k (talk) 14:32, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Delete The person is not notable and there is no significant coverage.
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Delete fails
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The result was redirect to

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Carly Witwicky

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Non notable fictional character. Remember, this is Wikipedia, not the Transformer Wiki. Kaseng55 (talk) 21:18, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of The Transformers (TV series) characters#Humans, not a major character. ~~Waddles~~ Gobbles 🍂 🦃 00:32, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment. Since the article contains a large reception section, the nominator should provide an analysis. This is, I am sorry to say, a rather lazy nom. I am hardly an inclusionist editor these days, but just as I require that voters adhere to some standards with the level of their commentary, the same should be required of the nominator (
WP:BEFORE, etc.). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:59, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Merge to Transformers: Dark of the Moon. The reception section seems limited to her appearance in one live action movie. But ping me if better sources are found for her cartoon or other media apperances. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:01, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of The Transformers (TV series) characters#Humans - The coverage of the fictional character is not sufficient to justify a separate article, but as it is a reasonable search term, and she is present on the main character list, a redirect would be preferable over deletion. The actual reception section is not worth preserving, as it is barely on the character - they are all either entirely on the actress that portrayed the character in Dark of the Moon, or reviews of that movie that happen to very briefly mention that actress. Most of them don't even mention the fictional character of "Carly" by name, making it useless as a source for the topic of that fictional character. Rorshacma (talk) 15:55, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of The Transformers (TV series) characters#Humans The article is about the character for the TV show and so should be redirected to an article about the show, not the movie where the character later appeared. Rhino131 (talk) 16:43, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect agree with redirect as all above. Oaktree b (talk) 19:20, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of The Transformers (TV series) characters#Humans,not a major character.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 09:05, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 00:47, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mia Rose (actress)

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Sourcing inadequate.

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Keep - She passes the GNG with these feature coverage[5][6][7] Morbidthoughts (talk) 00:28, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- 1 is broadly an interview, therefore not independent, 2 ditto and 3 is avn and not something that we will hang a blp on. Even wp:porn warns that avn has to be used with caution. In any event it has no byline and is mostly interview and reads like it is promotional. There isn’t the necessary multiple reliable sources here.
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You should reread

WP:PORN is not policy or authority to discount AVN. However, an RFC at RSN recently declared they were reliable,[8] but you already knew that. The byline was also lost when AVN redid their website and archives several times. You can see it here [9]Morbidthoughts (talk) 06:29, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Delete: No significant coverage. SL93 (talk) 19:55, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Sources do not meet notability criteria. AVN and XBIZ can be used to source basic facts about porn topics, but they are not a measure of reliability. Zaathras (talk) 14:07, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. Speedy deleted as G11, unambiguous promotion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:57, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Helal Uddin Ahmmad

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Appears to fail

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Delete Examination of the cited sources and searches for better sources confirm that the subject is not

notable. For those unfamiliar with the jargon, an upazila is a third level administrative division (sub-sub-national). He says he's a party leader in a student wing at that level. --Worldbruce (talk) 01:22, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

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The result was soft delete. Based on

"soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 23:46, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

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KaladKaren

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BLP of a person who impersonates a tv presenter. Nothing to indicate notability. Mccapra (talk) 20:10, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete (G5, Changingguardsatbuckinghampalace). MER-C 13:10, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Vionic

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This article was wholly written by someone flagged as a likely paid editor, the article does a poor job of establishing notability and conveys little encyclopaedic information.

WP:TNT here, if the organisation is notable then it will be better to start a new, neutral and encyclopaedic article free from any involvement by paid editors. Thryduulf (talk) 19:52, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Note: In case its helpful to anyone, I was looking for sources and only came up with these that I thought would be acceptable: Source: Healthline, Source: MSN, Source: NBC News. And 2 about the founder (sensitive story): The Guardian article, conviction WyldEys (talk) 16:59, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 23:46, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rajesh Krishna

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Neither

WP:JOURNALIST is met. A before search links me to user generated sources such as Linkedin. Celestina007 (talk) 18:13, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Delete Doesn't qualify
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Delete fails
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 23:47, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Capital City Championship Combat

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This professional wrestling promotion fails

WP:PW/RS is only reliable for results and not for establishing notabilit HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:12, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Keep the article because several wrestler start wrestling there and C4 Wrestling Promotion is Notable Promotion and I don't create to many pages for that. So please keep the article this is my request

delete - not a notable company. Nothing shows this meets
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Delete Some notable wrestlers have apparently wrestled for them at some point but that's
WP:NOTINHERITED. Really the only remote claim to notability I can see here.LM2000 (talk) 11:58, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Delete fails
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 23:48, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Shailesh Singh

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Possible COI article on a non notable police officer who a before search shows they lack in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of him. Celestina007 (talk) 18:08, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Per nom. StickyWicket (talk) 23:18, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: A bureaucrat who is not the chief of the organization he works in. Also fails
WP:GNG due to lack of coverage. Venkat TL (talk) 10:29, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Delete per nom fails
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 23:49, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Víctor M. Marroquín

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Article has had two previous AFDs, in 2017 and 2020, both resulting in a clear deletion consensus. It is a ref-bombed promotional mess. Amusingly, his "most prominent" awards are

WP:GNG fail. If this fails its 3rd AfD, can we salt it please? Edwardx (talk) 14:23, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Delete and Salt. No improvement over before. Xxanthippe (talk) 09:44, 23 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]
Delete Agree with nominator. Mostly are self published sources, or an article by him as an Author. There is one interview here which as we know is not acceptable. Caphadouk (talk) 03:47, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and above fails
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The result was snow delete. Geschichte (talk) 11:27, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Melanija Mitrovic

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BLP of a professor of mathematics. Her citations look low on Google scholar and I’m not seeing what she is notable for. Mccapra (talk) 13:52, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Looks
WP:NPROF C1, based on mid-to-low Google Scholar citations. No other sign of notability. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 13:56, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Delete. This is a low-citation field but still the citation record does not give us enough to go on for
WP:PROF#C1 and I don't see what else to use instead. I tagged this for notability last August for the same reason. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:43, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Delete doesn't meet
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Delete. Almost nothing citation-wise, and no details supporting meeting other NPROF criteria. JoelleJay (talk) 23:27, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No sources to suggest that
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Delete fails
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The result was keep. The general view here – not a unanimous view, but nonetheless the view of a substantial majority – is that the available sourcing is sufficient to meet the GNG. Since that perspective is neither logically fallacious nor fundamentally at odds with policy, I have no reason to discount it.

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Sanctum Sanctorum

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The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing

WP:SIGCOV in the body...). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:46, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Keep While I appreciate Piotrus' BEFORE efforts, I find them exactly the sort of content I would expect and find appropriate for inclusion for a notable fictional element. Merging it to Dr. Strange would be a reasonable alternative to deletion, but I don't think it's called for in this case. c.f. my work on Baxter Building. Jclemens (talk) 16:40, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per arguments from Jclemens, and per
WP:ATD for the sources already present in the article, but failing that I agree a merge to Doctor Strange would be better than deletion. BOZ (talk) 16:54, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Keep this is starting to feel more like a weird vendetta against any and all fiction articles rather than serious use of the deletion process, maybe you should consider giving it a rest for a while? Artw (talk) 17:18, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Having a vendetta against fiction articles seems a rather silly accusation to make against an editor who brought
  WP:Good article status and has nominated Sabacc for the same. Not to mention Earth in science fiction and Space travel in science fiction. TompaDompa (talk) 05:46, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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@
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It's "assume good faith", not "not ignore the blindingly obvious. For restoring good faith I would suggest making less low quality AfDs and seeking less conflict with other users. Artw (talk) 18:14, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Coverage is more than sufficient, and the fact that there is no single good merge target (with Doctor Strange and Features of the Marvel Universe both being candidates for different reasons) favors a separate article. The building made a signficant appearance in Avengers: Endgame in a sequence where Doctor Strange, though discussed, was not present. Furthermore, it is well-publicized that this fictional location will appear prominently in yet another major film opening in a few weeks (it has already begun receiving coverage for this), which makes this request rather poorly timed. BD2412 T 08:07, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This article is not compliant with the guidelines of
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None of those are reasons for deletion, though, and AFD is not cleanup. BOZ (talk) 14:40, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Which part of "The Sanctum Sanctorum has appeared in various media adaptations, including animated television series, video games, and the Marvel Cinematic Universe." is a plot detail of a fictional universe? Artw (talk) 18:23, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

try again, without cherrypicking -- external reception, influence, and third-party coverage are what confer notability, not listings of pop culture appearances.

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Taking the goalpost moving as acknowledgement that

WP:NPLOT is not a deletion worthy issue here. Artw (talk) 18:59, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

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It is, and if you can't understand why in-universe information and trivial popcult listings don't make an encyclopedic article, we have a deeper problem at hand.

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Nothing in Wikipedia's policies exclude a general-purpose reliable source from supporting notability on the grounds that a piece published by that source is a "trivial popcult listing". If the source is usable, then inclusion of information in a "listicle" or the like is irrelevant to our review. BD2412 T 19:36, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

People keep saying this and it's just not true. PLOT issues can be solved by editing, and therefore are not reasons for deletion, full stop. Jclemens (talk) 04:40, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

They can be solved by editing so long as significant third-party coverage can be found, which is not the case here. Otherwise you'll effectively blank the page. WP is not supposed to indiscriminately list every piece of in-universe cruft or popcult trivia.

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You have made several extreme misstatements of policy and if you carry out this blanking it will most likley be treated as vandalism. You and Piotr need to bacj down and stop this business. Artw (talk) 19:27, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Someone who doesn't understand the meaning of "Wikipedia treats creative works in an encyclopedic manner, treating ... reception, significance, and influence of works" ought to have his vote disregarded. This is in the policy I cited, and I've been consistent in applying this logic. You are incapable of even acknowledging it, and you don't seem to know what moving goalposts means either.

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Your alleged policy argument is bunk, I noted it was bunk this time, I noted it was bunk this time, I will note it's bunk the next time, might as well stop doing it. Artw (talk) 21:56, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for proving my point, by all means keep doing saying helps you cope with the fact that you have no idea of what an encyclopedia is.

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Mmm, yes. Given that I see you as a person who repeatedly lies about policy in order to grief other users I'm not going to take any notes from you on what wikipedia should or shouldn't be, cheers. Artw (talk) 22:32, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And where did I lie, exactly? I quoted the relevant excerpt and you did just about everything except address it.

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When you repeatedly invoke NPLOT on articles that are nit summary-only descriptions of works that's a lie. Artw (talk) 22:41, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

An article consisting solely of nit summary-only descriptions and popcult trivia listings is exactly what INDISCRIMINATE/NPLOT applies to. No evidence that I lied; this is just disingenuous.

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Keep - Other editors have demonstrated notability. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 01:12, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or draftify Article is not compliant with WP's standards on fictional subjects. The amount of third-party, out-universe coverage, concerning reception, influence and acclaim (of which the article has none), is insufficient to meet GNG or to demonstrate the encyclopedic viability of the subject.
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- Good news, @
  ScreenRant.. This is at least third-party, out-universe coverage, concerning reception, to the extent that it describes fans as having incorrectly thought that the house referenced 221B Baker Street, the fictional domicile of Sherlock Holmes. BD2412 T 01:28, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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- Also, Romano, Nick (January 5, 2016). "Doctor Strange Movie Art Reveals the Sanctum Sanctorum". Collider. BD2412 T 02:10, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Screen Rant (reliable?) piece is cheap, fleeting trivia that fails GNG. It says that some fans made a mistake and then corrects them by providing the correct in-universe details. The Collider piece mentions the building three times: two are brief plot recaps to provide context, and the other is a passing mention concerning another character's appearance in it. They don't discuss the building in detail; there's nothing about its development; there's nothing demonstrating that fictional building had any significant real-world impact. You can't even build a stub with articles like those.

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Per

WP:RSP, ScreenRant "is considered reliable for entertainment-related topics". This is obviously such a topic. Both articles literally are about the Sanctum Sanctorum in their titles. Of course, the Collider article focuses on pictures, which, as you know, are worth a thousand words. BD2412 T 03:13, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Your choosing to ignore that your sources don't give any meaningful real-world commentary of the subject, and that it's cheap fancruft, doesn't make it any less true. This will be closed as keep of course, but this article will remain a plausible target for AfD in the future, since this whole discussion is vague and uninformative, and not one of the keep voters have shown that this topic meets GNG.

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This will be closed as keep because it meets the GNG, because the Sanctum Sanctorum as a notable fictional location, no less so at this point than Wayne Manor or the Fortress of Solitude or 221B Baker Street. As noted, it is already set to be well-represented in a Spider-Man movie set to open in weeks, and in another Doctor Strange movie coming in the next six months. BD2412 T 04:30, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Notability isn't inherited, no sources that aren't bottom-quality, and so on.

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The sources are permissible sources for the topic area, and there is clearly consensus in this discussion that they are of sufficient quality, which is the real bottom line. BD2412 T 05:01, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dude there's now TWO lego sets of it. Give it up. Artw (talk) 03:01, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There is enough here to pass the minimum standards of GNG, in my opinion. Rhino131 (talk) 04:04, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:26, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Smiley's People (essay)

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In the words of the person who wrote this essay, it is a "silly little opinion piece". Fails GNG - sources 1 and 4 are not independent, source 3 is a trivial mention, I cannot see the text of source 2. (Contested PROD in 2018.) Cerebellum (talk) 11:29, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Definitely weasel words and not encylopaedic in nature. Reference 2 is simply index notes. It is a silly opinion piece and fails GNG. --Whiteguru (talk) 21:54, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and above opinion piece fails
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The result was no consensus. No prejudice towards immediate re-nomination if so desired. Daniel (talk) 00:46, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Trauma and PTSD in Asian Americans

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I'm a bit torn on this one. While this is pretty well-written, it's almost wholly an

essay. Even if it weren't one, it's just such a specific topic that covers only a minority population in a single country. I could not find any similar articles on different races or other for other countries, so I don't think this is a noteworthy enough topic to justify an article. I'm not necessarily against a merge, however. It could be greatly condensed then merged into Health status of Asian Americans some way. Waddles 🗩 🖉 00:38, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Delete, not only the way of writing, but also the article scope fails
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Keep or Merge: The issue of trauma and PTSD among Asian Americans is well documented in peer-reviewed journals, as well as the media. The only question is if it merits its own entry in the articlespace or a merge into a page belonging to a more broader but closely related topic. Multi7001 (talk) 04:23, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The risks section speaks about some issues particular to Asian Americans. The interventions section mentions some cultural factors that are particular to parts of Asian culture. It could be improved with a rewrite for tone, but there's no need to delete it. -- Bob drobbs (talk) 18:16, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. If "we have another example of this kind of article" isn't in itself grounds for keeping a poor-quality article, I don't think "we don't have an another example of this kind of article" is grounds per se for a delete.
PTSD is even longer; merging it will either ultimately cause it to disappear as it gets condensed into nearly nothing, or balloon out a section of an already-long page. What it needs is to be de-orphaned. -- asilvering (talk) 03:30, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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As an aside, the course this was written for is linked on the talk page, and that course produced several similarly specific articles about trauma in the USA. Whoever tries to de-orphan this article if it's kept could probably efficiently attend to the whole set. -- asilvering (talk) 04:08, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Sometimes I'm so perplexed by an AFD nomination I wonder if I am completely missing the point. We have vast numbers of articles that describe a specific topic that covers only a minority population in a single country. For example, consider the articles in
WP:GNG is failed, I quite simply think that is a seriously wrong assessment. Even if you discount the primary research papers you are still left with adequate suitable references. Thincat (talk) 11:50, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Comment I agree with all the "Keep" comments. Mathieu Vouillamoz (talk) 17:09, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Health status of Asian Americans.-
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The result was keep. ✗plicit 23:51, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Syllable Desktop

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This was previously listed for deletion due to lack of general notability in December 2020, however this was closed due to lack of consensus and instead a banner put on the article asking for further sources to establish notability. However this has not happened, no further sources have been forthcoming (including those promised in the AfD debate) and now even this project's official website has shut down.

I would like to reiterate my original points from that AfD since no further sources have been forthcoming to contradict it - the subject is a long-defunct minor hobbyist OS of no particular import and with no particularly large user base, if it even has one or has ever had one. It is simply not notable in any clear way. Foonblace (talk) 13:58, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I listed and commented available sources in the last AfD (I may list them again, if there is a request to do so) and my stance is the very same as back then: Somewhat weak keep as there are some sources with broad enough coverage of the article subject but their reliability or independence may be questionable. Still enough - in my POV - sources to establish notability. Pavlor (talk) 07:15, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I think if there are sufficient sources available to evidence notability then these should be included in the article, but they have not been. Foonblace (talk) 17:08, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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To comment above, the sources do not magically disappear if they haven't been added since the last AfD. I would imagine a
WP:BEFORE includes reading any relevant discussions pertaining to the article including any previous AfD discussions. The onus is on the nominator as the material can still be used to improve the article. – The Grid (talk) 19:11, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Comment I added four sources I mentioned during the last AfD to the "Further reading" section of the article. First two (root.cz and pro-linux.de) are available online, so anyone can judge for themselves; the other two (Linux Format) are offline/behind paywall (note one of these is not entirely independent on the article subject). I will try to improve the article using these sources, but my computer time is too short these days. Pavlor (talk) 08:42, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Ghettoblaster (talk) 22:01, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per
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Keep sources establish notability.
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The result was keep. ✗plicit 23:52, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Motorettes

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No notable coverage, not even a biography page on allmusic. Hoponpop69 (talk) 16:21, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep They're British, and AMG is less comprehensive for UK bands. They have existing coverage here (
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Keep: Passes
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Keep per Chubbles. ~~Waddles~~ Gobbles 🍂 🦃 00:23, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Charting #83 for one single week is an extremely weak claim to meet WP:NBAND. However, there is some more general coverage, review of the first single, review of the second single, of the third single, and the band also released a split. So keep. Geschichte (talk) 14:02, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Consensus appears to be that he meets

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Debashis Chatterjee

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Fails

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Keep This was accepted under Criteria 6 of
WP:ACADEMIC that says The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed administrative post at a major academic institution or major academic society. Indian Institute of Management Kozhikode is a major academic institution and Director is the highest level administrative post. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 02:58, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Keep per Nomadicghumakkad. He does fulfill criteria 6 of
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The result was keep. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:23, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pautalia

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Poorly sourced

Content Fork which is dealt with at the original redirect target Kyustendil and in History of Kyustendil. Restoration of the redirect as alternative to deletion is acceptable. Polyamorph (talk) 21:07, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Weak keep -- It is not necessarily appropriate to merge an ancient city with a modern one, when there is no obvious continuity (gap of 500 years in history) and a different name. I recall a case of Greek city in Asia Minor that some one wanted to merge with is modern Turkish near successor. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:11, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and stubify:
WP:NOTTEMP; the only thing is this article is very poorly written. Best case would be stubify and improve from there. Curbon7 (talk) 06:07, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Weak keep - I've listed below some literature studying aspects of Pautalia, such as its coins and urban development (both mentioned in the WP article). The article is poorly written in its current state, but it could stubified now and rewritten with proper sourcing, as Curbon7 said. Bridget (talk) 19:10, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Found sources - Bridget (talk) 19:10, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

English translations are taken from the original articles.

Slokoska, L. R. (1989). Pautalia I: The Topography, Urban Development and Fortifications. Sofia: Bulgarian Academy of Sciences.
- Poulter, A. G. (1994). "Review". doi:10.2307/527027
  .

"PAUTALIA (Kyustendil) W Bulgaria.". The Princeton Encyclopedia of Classical Sites.

Grozdanova, Lily (2016). Delev, Peter (ed.). "Градският пантеон на Пауталия в светлината на монетосеченето на полиса – някои основни наблюдения" [The city Pantheon of Pautalia in the light of the polis’ coinage – some basic observations]. ΣΥΜΠΟΣΙΟΝ (in Russian). Sofia: St. Kliment Ohridski University Press: 136–147.
ISBN 978-954-07-4158-1. Topoi entry
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Sokolowski, Franciszek (1970). "Loi sacrée de Pautalia". Bulletin de correspondance hellénique (in French). 94 (1): 113–116.
doi:10.3406/bch.1970.2170
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Filipova, S.S. (2018). "Монеты из раскопок античной Пауталии (современный Кюстендил)" [Coins from Archeological Researches of Ancient Pautalia (Today Kyustendil)]. Materials in Archaeology & History of Ancient & Medieval Crimea (in Russian) (10): 415–435.
doi:10.24411/2219-8857-2018-00018
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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 07:32, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rockypoint, Wyoming

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A hill, a farm, a church, and literally nothing else at the site. This article took less than two minutes to create by copying data from GNIS and is now going to take at least 10-20 times that in editor time to delete.

No evidence of legal recognition per

WP:SIGCOV

in reliable sources.

Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia. It does not suddenly become something else when it covers populated places,

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Delete per nom. GNIS only, no
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Delete as GNIS spam.
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Delete per nom. –dlthewave ☎ 05:12, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 11:27, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Haskiri Velazquez

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Fails

WP:NACTOR. Doesn't have multiple lead roles in a notable project. Behind the moors (talk) 08:05, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Delete: No significant coverage and only one major role. SL93 (talk) 18:32, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails
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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 07:31, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Khalid Malik

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Non-notable. No

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Comment. Not the same person as the first deletion discussion. Geschichte (talk) 08:58, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Woefully undersourced, not enough to show that
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The result was delete. "It exists" is not a valid reason to keep an article. ✗plicit 11:29, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Richard the Lionheart: Rebellion

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WP:BEFORE search and no reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. The Film Creator (talk) 07:51, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Delete: No significant coverage. SL93 (talk) 02:13, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per
WP:CREEP. I’m unable to see how the encyclopedia or reader experience is improved by following the destructive Afd and notability guidelines which indicate this and many other informative and factually accurate articles about topics with verifiable existence (you can Google watch it for yourself—as verifiable as it gets) need to be deleted. The guidelines need to be revamped per CREEP to remove their destructive effects, but in the meantime we must simply ignore them per IAR, a pillar policy. —В²C ☎ 16:23, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Delete. Arguing that the notability guidelines are destructive is at this point an ice cold take - if we didn't have some kind of guideline about what content to keep or retain, we would have zero quality control or ability to remove spam and cruft. A garden must be pruned lest it be overrun with weeds. Under the current guidelines, an absence of sources means we cannot retain this or any other article. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 07:30, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 07:22, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Skirmish at Hunter's Farm

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I really hope I can be proved wrong on this one, but I'm worried that this one isn't notable. After constructing User:Hog Farm/Trans-Mississippi, I stumbled upon this one looking for articles that could be easily improved, but I'm not sure that this one can.

Of the four sources cited in the article - 1 and 4 are rather brief official military reports on the action, 2 is a brief passing mention, and 3 is a 1908 source that devotes four sentences to it. Potential sources not cited in the article - Elmo Ingenthron's Borderland Rebellion has a passing mention in a timeline and a passing reference to a separate minor event at Hunter's Farm 3 days later. I perused the Internet Archive's copy of Hughes's Battle of Belmont and while it discusses events at Hunter's Farm, they seem to be routine troop movements and not this one. Bruce Nichols's series about guerrilla warfare in Missouri has its first volume begin with 1862, and it doesn't mention this 1861 action.

So really, all we have to work with are the original 1860s military reports (which I'm not convinced would be considered secondary for

WP:GNG) and four sentences in a 1908 compendium of all actions in the war which paints this as a tiny action between two small forces. Unless we're willing to pass this through solely on the primary source reports, I don't think there's enough written about this action to support/warrant an article. Hog Farm _Talk 07:39, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Delete fails
WP:GNG, a minor action with minimal coverage, it doesn't warrant a stand-alone page. Is there anywhere it could be merged to? Mztourist (talk) 08:27, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Comment GBooks has several books with the event mentioned, most from US military sources. would seem to be enough to make it notable. GScholar has nothing. Oaktree b (talk) 01:28, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- The fact that it is called a skirmish, not a battle implies that it was a NN engagement. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:42, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 07:21, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Grind (2009 film)

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WP:BEFORE search and no reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. The Film Creator (talk) 07:34, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Delete, nothing found during a
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Delete: No significant coverage. Fails
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 11:30, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Askari (film)

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Fails

WP:BEFORE search and no reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. The Film Creator (talk) 07:22, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

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No contest A decent film but clearly not notable. Doug butler (talk) 10:27, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete, nothing worthwhile found during a
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Delete - nomination appears to be correct Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:11, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on

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Nepal and Newar Community

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No sourcing, everything that could be in this article could be added to the main Newar article. Hasn't been edited in 5 years. C1MM (talk) 05:50, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per nom. Fade258 (talk) 02:27, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Winkelmann clamp

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Only source is the manufacturer's website. The other source is a dead link, looking at it on Internet Archive, it is a secondary source who's main source is also the manufacturer's websites. No other sources can be found online. 𝕒𝕥𝕠𝕞𝕚𝕔𝕕𝕣𝕒𝕘𝕠𝕟𝟙𝟛𝟞 🗨️ 🖊️ 05:36, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Also, it looks like all other previous articles about circumcision surgical devices were merged into Circumcision surgical procedure, and I don't see how this one can be any more notable. 𝕒𝕥𝕠𝕞𝕚𝕔𝕕𝕣𝕒𝕘𝕠𝕟𝟙𝟛𝟞 🗨️ 🖊️ 02:47, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 05:01, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Finding a Voice: A Benefit for Humans

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No significant coverage and the advocacy group that the album raised funds for doesn't have an article. Fails

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Delete - Most of the article's text also appears at this stream listing, and that is the only other place I found the commentary on how the album was disowned by both its producer and the charity group it supposedly benefited. Nobody in reliable media noticed. Otherwise the record sank without a trace and its existence can only be found dimly at a few directory sites like Discogs. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:51, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 05:01, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Fucking Buckaroos

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Non-notable band. There are 26 sources in the article and none of them show notability. SL93 (talk) 02:49, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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https://www.readjunk.com/reviews/albumreviews/fucking-buckaroos-when-cops-rode-bulls/		Not seeing a significant editorial process...	Just a small paragraph review of an album	✘ No
http://goldengatorrockers.blogspot.com//2008/05/fort-faxon-we-got-down-cops-sometimes.html/	? Inaccessible	Blogspot	? Inaccessible	✘ No
https://rick.wordpress.com/page/6/		wordpress	literally no mention??	✘ No
https://www.punkglobe.com/thefuckingbuckaroosreview0114.php		Just a website	~ eh	✘ No
https://www.dallasnews.com/things-to-do/32769/the-fucking-buckaroos-chief-death-rage-tatanka-iyotake-brick-fight-1919-hemphill-fort-worth/	? redirects to a non-existent dallas news article??	?	?	? Unknown
https://web.archive.org/web/20140304190511/https://razorcake.org/record-reviews/fucking-buckaroos-the-los-helldandys-split	looks like it derives from the band's website		not really	✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20110901072027/http://www.shitenonions.com/blog/?p=3063		just an internet blurb		✘ No
http://dmediamagazine.blogspot.com/2014/03/los-hell-dandys-presentan-mad-love-gun.html		it's on blogspot	~	✘ No
http://rockabillyrecords.de/vinyl/eps/fucking-buckaroos---helldandys---popular-romance.php	looks like it's parroting a primary source	just a blurb		✘ No
https://dostuffmedia.com/coming-soon?utm_source=hazdf&utm_content=hazdf.com/artists/los-helldandys	?	?	literally just links to a "coming soon" page	✘ No
https://redscare.storenvy.com/products/10402-v-a-untitled-21-a-juvenile-tribute-to-swingin-utters-cd	given that it makes no mention of the fucking buckaroos, it is technically independent	seems like a store		✘ No
http://hikeitlikeit.com/2012/fruitless-fortunes/				? Unknown
https://web.archive.org/web/20140818111142/http://hikeitlikeit.com/2012/fruitless-fortunes/		user-generated content	just a passing mention	✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20140305061942/http://thefuckingbuckaroos.com/news/leonardo-dicaprio-set-play-thom-upcoming-buckaroos-biopic-tfb-goes-mexico	primary source	primary source		✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20120325180615/http://thefuckingbuckaroos.com/shows-page	primary source		~ eh...	✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20080914161127/http://www.reclusorios.df.gob.mx:80/	? no idea what the hell this is	no	definitely not	✘ No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obdCS39YQDU	primary source		Well, I now know that I don't like seeing the fucking buckaroos shirtless, so that does seem like significant coverage yes	✘ No
https://sabinewirsching.com/2013/06/23/the-fucking-buckaroos-im-interview/	interview	interview	interview	✘ No
https://sabinewirsching.com/2013/08/02/on-the-road-mit-the-fucking-buckaroos/	interview	interview	interview	✘ No
Apparently I can't link to the source because it's blacklisted, so have this message instead	literally a former fundraising page—smooth way to raise money, i guess			✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20161012041516/http://celticfolkpunk.blogspot.com//2012/02/free-download-fucking-buckaroos-ii-2012.html/	i mean, it looks like a piracy thing, so i guess so?			✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20160610100503/http://collective-zine.co.uk/artists/?artist=4503/		doesn't seem reliable		✘ No
http://celticfolkpunk.blogspot.com/2012/02/free-download-fucking-buckaroos-ii-2012.html			same as source 21	✘ No
https://thebaybridged.com/2013/12/18/the-fucking-buckaroos-are-taking-a-fucking-break/			~	✘ No
https://thefuckingbuckaroos.bandcamp.com/album/los-pinches-vaqueroos-puro-pinchi-pari	primary			✘ No
http://celticfolkpunk.blogspot.com/2015/11/free-download-fucking-buckaroos-puro.html		no	same as source 23	✘ No
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Delete: No sources count towards GNG here, and a
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Delete: no in-depth articles about them. Does not meet
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The result was redirect to List of programs broadcast by Disney Junior#Interstitial programming. Daniel (talk) 00:45, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Go, Baby!

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As one of the editors of this page, I was trying to find sources for this series of 8 preschool shorts (right now there are only references to IMDb and first-party sources on the Disney website) but there don’t seem to be any reliable in-depth sources that would make it notable. Nominating since it fails WP:Notability rules. Squittens (talk) 01:42, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of programs broadcast by Disney Junior#Interstitial programming per above.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:59, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 04:15, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

David Adkins

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Fails
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leaning delete He did achieve some regional notice for Thoreau, but that's about it: certainly his TV and his one film role are small and didn't get much notice. Mangoe (talk) 02:08, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Questionable notability, and parts of the article are contradictory or possibly confused with a completely different person bearing the same name (who appears to be an ex-state politician from New Mexico?)Headphase (talk) 16:14, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Daily High Club Ltd.

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Company does not meet
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Delete - I can't find any notable source for it. It doesn't meet the notability guideline. VincentGod11 (talk) 20:09, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus.
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Made of Hate

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No notable coverage, could only find a mention on Ultimate Guitar. Hoponpop69 (talk) 16:19, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. They do have a short Allmusic bio ([14]) and a review there ([15]). I didn't find much else. --Michig (talk) 16:55, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The band's articles in Polish and German indicate additional coverage, and AMG is international press. Meets
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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 04:14, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Broadside Electric

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Articles for deletion/Broadside Electric

Articles for deletion/Broadside Electric (2nd nomination)

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No notable coverage, not even a biography page on allmusic. Hoponpop69 (talk) 22:01, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment They don't seem very notable. If they go, all of their albums have to go as well. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 16:13, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

All five of their album articles are unsourced, and a search reveals almost nothing for any of them. I found no reliable reviews at all; one of the albums got a blog review. I am going to redirect all the album articles to the band because they are ripe for that process anyway, and they won't be left behind if the band is deleted too. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 21:55, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - This band survived their first AfD back in 2008 when simply being mentioned in the media at all, however briefly, could be deemed sufficient. But the criteria at
WP:NBAND have gotten tighter since then. In the 2008 AfD, voters contributed ten sources, eight of which are now dead. The other two were merely brief announcements of appearances as the opening act for someone else. I did a new search and only found one more minor announcement of the same: [16]. The band has been around for a long time, but brief snippets of local media notice over the years have added up to nothing of lasting quality. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 21:50, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:54, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:42, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Question - What's the point of all these relistings? The nominator made a case for deletion, which I seconded with some more detail, and we have an additional comment about the band's non-notable albums. Other AfD's have been ruled "soft delete" with far less action than this one. Don't let this article fall through the cracks with a flimsy "no consensus" just because you're waiting for more votes to miraculously appear. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 02:25, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's because of the previous deletion discussions. Soft delete only applies when other deletion methods haven't been tried. Geschichte (talk) 08:55, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify, I did not say that this one should be soft-deleted, though perhaps it looked that way. I meant that the consensus to delete in this AfD seems pretty solid, more so than in many other AfDs I've observed. If we're headed toward a flimsy "no consensus" for procedural reasons that would be unfortunate for the encyclopedia. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:42, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 04:14, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of book-based war films (wars before 1775)

List of book-based war films (wars before 1775) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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These articles are a series of lists which were originally the work of one editor, who has been indefinitely blocked since 2012. Other editors have contributed, but they still bear the idiosyncracies of the original editor. Specifically, these are lists of films that are about wars, based on books (not necessarily books about those wars), organized by war and in some cases by subtopics within each war. If you are looking for films about a particular war, you will only find those films here if the film is deemed to have been based on a book (whether or not the film credits the book as a source). Some books which have allegedly been "frequently filmed" are broken out into their own subsections, although in some cases those books have only one film listed, or no films listed at all.
The lists have few references; most of the items in the References section are not citations, but honors received by a film or a book, such as "Inducted into the U.S.
Valiant
." The reference attached to this sentence says, "Valiant is a little intense for younger children." What does Valiant have to do with this article anyway, when it's not based on a book?
In short, I question whether these lists can ever be made into anything useful to Wikipedia readers and recommend deletion of all of them.
I am also nominating the following related pages because they are part of a similar set:

List of book-based war films (1775–1898 wars) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

List of book-based war films (1898–1926 wars) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

List of book-based war films (1927–1945 wars) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

List of book-based war films (1945–2000 wars) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

List of book-based war films (21st-century wars) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

List of films based on military books covering peacetime (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

--Metropolitan90 (talk) 00:39, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete all per
WP:NLIST. There are two lists like this out there, one by Ranker and something called The Archive, but Ranker makes up lists of everything under the sun and I don't know how much weight The Archive should be given. Also, since when are plays and poems considered books? The Illiad? Which one, the 203 BC deluxe 500th anniversary scroll edition or the 178 BC paperback? Clarityfiend (talk) 01:16, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Keep all I erased most of the red links on the first one listed. If its valid for a category, then its valid for a list. The list shows far more information than a category, making it far more useful in this case. These are all valid navigational lists. Just eliminate any entries that don't link to their own Wikipedia articles. Dream Focus 20:13, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

By your rationale, Category:1950 births should have a corresponding list. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:19, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete all "If its valid for a category, then its valid for a list." is categorically and laughably untrue. Moreover, I question whether we should have the category for this either! This is quite the unencyclopedic cross-categorization to be a movie – which is based off a book – which is about a war. It's fair that we have Spanish–American_War#In_film_and_television, Irish_War_of_Independence#Cultural_depictions, and List of World War I films, for example, but I don't see the notability of listing those films that use a book (non-fiction or novel, short story or memoir) as intermediate source material. Reywas92^Talk 03:02, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the list of lists for these pages:

Lists of book-based war films (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

--Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:58, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all per
WP:NLIST, ridiculous cross-categorization. Mztourist (talk) 04:30, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Delete all as noncompliant with NLIST and NOTDIR.
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Delete per Avilich and others.Intothat darkness 15:58, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to
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ITunes Live: London Festival '09 (Snow Patrol EP)

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Not a notable musical release. References appear to be about the concert series where this was performed, not the recording. User:力百 (alt of power~enwiki, π, ν) 00:27, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Makes me wonder if these should be included for most likely the same reasons:

ITunes Live: London Festival '09 (Franz Ferdinand EP)

ITunes Live: London Festival '09 (General Fiasco EP)

ITunes Live: London Festival '09 (Kasabian EP)

– The Grid (talk) 01:36, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Might want to look into all the
iTunes Live: London Festival '07. ~~Waddles~~ Gobbles 🍂 🦃 01:45, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Yeah, most of these "iTunes Sessions/Recordings" don't meet our notability standards. Many could probably be
WP:REDIRECTed because they're quickly forgotten about too. Sergecross73 msg me 19:29, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Redirect to
WP:NALBUM. Richard3120 (talk) 13:08, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Redirect to
WP:NALBUM per nom. SBKSPP (talk) 22:19, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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