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Mayors of places in Colombia

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:20, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per
WP:SMALLCAT, just one, two or three articles in each of these categories and they are not part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:59, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Video games with variable translation control

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:19, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: A category of unclear meaning and dubious value. The description says that "this category is for games that allow users to control their avatar at variable translation speeds", which is rather vaguely defined, would apply to countless games across completely different genres (e.g. every single car-driving game?), and seems to be far too trivial to be a category. The category has been originally created by
talk) 20:31, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Category:City regions of England

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 January 22#Category:City regions of England

Category:Leaked songs

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:18, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per the principals of
WP:LEAK we should not be promoting leaked songs - the claims of leaked material usually come from unreliable self published sources like blogs or actually link to the leaked material itself. Not encyclopaedic and questionably factual. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 19:40, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
]
  • Opposed: The category, similar to Category:Leaked albums contains mainly songs that were leaked early before an official release as a single or on an album. Thus in both they aren't really promoting leaked material as the majority of it is officially released. Also multiple of the songs link to comments from the artists or news sites about the leaks. --HighlandFacts (talk) 21:59, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as non-defining and rather trivial. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:58, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete not defining for the song whether it was "leaked"; imagine using such criteria on every book, product, scandal, etc. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:13, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete undefining. --Richhoncho (talk) 11:23, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Participants in the 2021 storming of the United States Capitol

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete - this is looking like
WP:IAR and going ahead and putting this to the deletion bot. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:29, 12 January 2021 (UTC)}}[reply
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Nominator's rationale: None of these "participants" have been convicted so having this in the "American criminals" category is an outright BLP violation. The lack of any action for the majority of them beyond arrest makes the entire identification of them with an insurrection questionable. Even for those that the RS are worth placing in the cat,
WP:ONEEVENT applies. This cate's creation and population is very premature. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:08, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Fictional minor planets

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional astronomical locations. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:16, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only one subcategory. Kepler-1229b talk 19:01, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Easter films

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Films about Easter. A purge to reflect that name took place during the discussion. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:30, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category name like with New year films category, Is too narrow a term and estranges films that have major portions set, aboutor has themes of Easter. This also should be rename to pair with the corresponding article on the subject. ₛₒₘₑBₒdyₐₙyBₒdy₀₅ (talk) 16:08, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per my above reasons and Category:Films about Easter could possibly work as well but this current category name, it doesn't work well with it's name. And @User:Dimadick, Easter is a Holiday and event, not a subject so that category wouldn't work. ₛₒₘₑBₒdyₐₙyBₒdy₀₅ (talk) 20:47, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete another proposed "films about" category without any objective guidance on how much about Easter the film must be for inclusion nor what reliable sources tell us that it's at least that much. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:15, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I too am at least leaning delete. Both the category and the related
    Easter Parade. Mangoe (talk) 04:10, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Delete This is not an actual thing like Christmas films. My favorite is Easter Parade (film) has nothing to do with Easter at all. It is the most extreme case I know of of "Dawson Casting" casting someone in a role that is much younger then they are, but that is its own issue. They wanted Gene Kelly and then settled for Fred Astaire.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:24, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose rename the "set around Easter" bit is just nonsense. We should eliminate anything that isn't an Easter film from the catalog and list article, not include things that just happen around Easter time. Dream Focus 01:39, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@User:Dream Focus Then what would you suggest? Because the current category name doesn't make sense or correlate as much as your saying the proposed one is. Easter films make it seem like the film is only about Easter when that's not the case. There's a miniscule number of films solely about the concept of Easter. This current name has to change. ₛₒₘₑBₒdyₐₙyBₒdy₀₅ (talk) 02:22, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Easter films is understood to be a movie about Easter or something happening during the Easter holiday that it is clearly about. Example: is there is an Easter bunny or a dog dressed up like one, or other such things? Dream Focus 02:33, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Atrocious_(film) is just a movie that just happens to take place on Easter, so not a defining characteristic. Most films are in the subcategories of Easter Bunny in film‎ (14 P) and Film portrayals of Jesus' death and resurrection‎ (1 C, 28 P). The Being has nothing to do with Easter, a reviewer quoted in the Reception section says so. So that can be removed. Baby Huey's Great Easter Adventure is of course an Easter film. The solution is to remove bad entries not to change the name of the category to include them. Dream Focus 02:47, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Note, I have removed bad entries. So the problem has been resolved. Dream Focus 03:12, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Honestly the remaining articles aren't more clearly about Easter either. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:57, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Really? Which one? Only five remaining in the main category.
    Happy Go Ducky obviously go there. Lotta flyttar hemifrån isn't in English so no idea about it. Just looked over part of it online and don't see anything that seems Easter, so I just removed it from the category. The only thing left is Easter Parade (film) and someone above who saw it mentioned it has nothing to do with Easter at all, so I'll remove it. Do you have a problem with the two subcategories? Dream Focus 10:58, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Murdered journalists

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:14, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Trivial intersection. No notable
WP:DEFINING
link between the occupation and the manner of death. Not commonly and consistently expected as a professional hazard or qualification. There may have been many years between the occupation and the death, making the link even weaker.
Note: Sources about the death of a person will often discuss both their occupation and their cause of death. This doesn't make this intersection any more notable than a combination with other aspects often discussed in such notices, such as their number of children.
Journalists who were murdered for political reasons should be in Category:Assassinated journalists.
See also: related rationale about suicides by occupation:
William Allen Simpson (talk) 15:18, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment — significant overcategorization: each can be assassinated, murdered by nationality, killed by country, and killed in military conflict by country. I've left the assassinated and military conflict sets.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 15:53, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, initially I was planning to oppose, until I read that there is also a tree of Category:Assassinated journalists. That degrades the nominated categories to "Journalists who were murdered for trivial reasons". Marcocapelle (talk) 18:35, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Journalists are typically killed because of their dangerous occupation. We even have dedicated lists such as List of journalists killed in Europe, which cover the circumstances of each death. Dimadick (talk) 18:47, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note that a list is perfect for this. Those list entries verify the remaining Assassinated and military conflict categories. But most journalists aren't murdered or even killed. It is Not Defining, not commonly and consistently expected.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 22:53, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for checking what is actually in the categories. Moving journalists from murdered to assassinated (if applicable) would be very helpful. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:13, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've purged the main category. In the country subcategories there are clearly some people like Jill Dando and Victor Noir who were clearly killed because they were journalists - but I'm not sure we can say they were assassinated. Rathfelder (talk) 13:35, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, Category:Journalists killed in Turkey is notable enough since it does not include accidental deaths and includes notable events and some of them not assasinations. I think that the problems should be addressed in every problematic subcategory rather than deleting all, because there's always been a risk about accidental deletion.Ahmetlii (talk) 16:20, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose end to Category:Killed journalists by country and its sub-cats. The location of where a journalist is killed is often significant, but it also often has nothing to do with natinality.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:33, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People associated with W. B. Yeats

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The result of the discussion was: delete/merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:13, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale:
WP:OCASSOC. This category contains the likes of a painter who made a portrait of Yeats. The lone "family relative" in the category was Yeats's wife, and therefore belongs in the family category. Place Clichy (talk) 14:31, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Geography of the Tibet Autonomous Region

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:33, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Both expressions refer to the same physical location. It is therefore not meaningful to have separate geography category trees. Content seems to be split between the two without much logic, e.g. Category:Township-level divisions of Tibet is in the second category whereas Category:Subdivisions of Tibet in the first one. Place Clichy (talk) 13:40, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, completely overlapping scope. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:39, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The Tibet Autonomous Region only includes part of the historic region of Tibet, specifically western and central Tibet. The rest of Chinese-controlled Tibet has been incorporated into other Chinese provinces, such as Sichuan, and Qinghai. Other areas of the region are administered by India as part of the Ladakh region. There is also the matter of the so-called South Tibet, China's term for Assam Himalaya. These areas were formerly controlled by Tibet, were later annexed by the British Raj, and are currently divided among India and Bhutan. Dimadick (talk) 19:09, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Borders of countries may change in the course of time, for example France grew larger in the course of centuries, without that leading to a separate country category. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:27, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think that this reflects at all how
    categories with so much overlap. The history of claims over Ladakh, Assam, Aksai Chin and other places is of course interesting, but using them as basis for rescoping Tibet categories would probably result in more disruption than improvement. Anyway, I do not read anything in your comment arguing in favour of such a rescoping. Place Clichy (talk) 15:50, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Celtic Wave ports

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:11, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale:
Celtic Wave redirects to Irish Sea, and the term is not even mentioned in this article. This seems to be a little-used alternative name for the same body of water. Place Clichy (talk) 10:25, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Municipalities in Canada

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:11, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: US and Canada are the only exceptions in the Category:Municipalities (we probably need a 'by country' container category). I can't think of any reason why we would need to rise 'in' for those two countries and 'of' for the rest of the world, so I suggest standardizing the the more common form. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:54, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Municipalities in the United States

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 January 27#Category:Municipalities in the United States

Category:CBS Television Distribution

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:09, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: CBS Television Distribution has been renamed into CBS Media Ventures. Ridwan97 (talk) 04:16, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename for Now To match the bold rename of the main article, which appears to be non-controversial. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:29, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Wilhelm Ernst War Cross

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:08, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:OCAWARD
)
The Iron Cross was the top military award of Germany and is among a handful of awards that might actually be defining. On the other hand, the Wilhelm Ernst War Cross was awarded by the Grand Duchy of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach to people who had already won the Iron Cross. This award is so non-defining that almost none of the articles in the category even mention it. There wasn't a list so I created one right here in the main article for any readers interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Stevie Awards

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:07, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:TRIVIALCAT
)
The Stevie Awards are a vanity award that businesses pay to enter and the article contains this little nugget:
According to the organization, awards are given in hundreds of categories, and 30-40% of entrants receive an award.
What else can I add? - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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