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Category:Russian minority interests parties

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 22:59, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: duplicate. Note that the category was placed in Category:Russian diaspora and that the 7 articles in it are already in children of the target category. Place Clichy (talk) 21:46, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Also fine with Delete. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:29, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:David Bar-Hayim

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 23:18, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale:
Eponymous category for a person without the volume of spinoff content needed to warrant an eponymous category. As always, everybody who has a Wikipedia article does not automatically get their own dedicated category as a matter of course -- it's useful if there are a lot of related articles that need categorization for their relationship to the eponym, but not if there are only a couple. But there are only two articles here, the eponym and one organization he's associated with, and that's not enough. Bearcat (talk) 20:00, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Britain's Got Talent golden buzzer acts

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 23:19, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale:
Overcategorization for a non-defining characteristic. We categorize noteworthy contestants on Got Talent shows if they have articles to categorize, and we obviously categorize the winners, but we have no established history of categorizing people for whether they got the golden buzzer or not — and since all the golden buzzer actually does is guarantee a spot in the next round of the competition, but comes with no prize and doesn't guarantee victory or permanent notability in and of itself, it hardly constitutes a defining characteristic of its recipients' careers. Bearcat (talk) 19:55, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Vanessa Merrell

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 23:20, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale:
WP:BLP itself -- there have to be several other related articles that would need categorization for their relationship to Vanessa Merrell, but there's no evidence of that. Bearcat (talk) 19:50, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Rulers of Brittany

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The result of the discussion was: downmerge.
(non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 23:20, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale:
WP:SMALLCAT (1 C, 0 P). See recent CfM. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 17:31, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Hellenistic rulers

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The result of the discussion was: rename to
(non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 23:05, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: All items and children are already about 'kings', 'monarchs' or 'pharaohs'. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 17:15, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Alt rename rationale: per
WP:C2C parent Category:Hellenistic-era people, two siblings Category:Hellenistic-era historians and Category:Hellenistic-era philosophers (note: 5 other siblings don't have the "-era" suffix). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 01:35, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Procedural oppose This is not your nomination, William. I think it's up to nom (me in this case) to add this as an Alt or addition or something, or that you should nominate this separately in your own CfR. (I would still oppose it on grammatical and
WP:COMMONNAME grounds, but that's the next step). Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 01:25, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
(PS: Per
WP:C2B the formulation should be Fooian-era people, People of the Fooian era, People of the Fooian period, or Barian people by period. There is no Fooian period people or Fooian-period people.) Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 01:43, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Hellenistic-era monarchs: 3 (Laurel, Marco primary, myself primary)
Hellenistic period monarchs 2 (William, Marco primary)
Hellenistic monarchs 2 (Marco secondary, myself secondary)
Question the necessity of the category as a whole, but agree with Alt Rename for now : 2 (Laurel, Marco). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:16, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Women rulers in Asia

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The result of the discussion was: rename and re-parent.
(non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 23:21, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
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* Re-parenting from Category:Asian rulers to Category:Asian monarchs
* Re-parenting from Category:Women rulers to Category:Women monarchs
Nominator's rationale: All subcategories are about empresses regnant or queens regnant. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 17:07, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Women rulers in Japan

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 23:22, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale:
WP:SMALLCAT and redundant layer. All items in it were already in childcats, so I removed them. Only doubt was whether List of female castellans in Japan could be considered "rulers"; I created Category:Female castellans in Japan for them and re-parented them to Category:Japanese nobility. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 17:01, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Inventors from France

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 23:24, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: duiplicate and empty category of Category:French inventors Robby (talk) 15:54, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Marcocapelle, I actually did a search for "Category" on the page and found that they had added 54 categories to this user sandbox. There is also a COI issue involved that they haven't addressed yet. Liz Read! Talk! 03:37, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Rulers of Copán

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The result of the discussion was: alt rename.
(non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 23:26, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: See precedents Category:Rulers of Iximche etc.
Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 15:42, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional Turkic people

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 23:27, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: All items in this category are also already in its child
WP:OCEGRS). See also the "Category:Turkic rulers" CfD and other recent CfDs, as well as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Turkic scholars. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 15:22, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Medieval Turkic geographers

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 23:28, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale:
WP:NONDEFINING, see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Turkic scholars. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 15:04, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Category:The Real Housewives cast members

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:40, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale:
WP:PERFCAT --woodensuperman 14:44, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Here are the A-F articles where I think we wouldn't have an article if not for the show: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. That's not to say the articles don't cover what schools attended, careers, and families just that the show is defining, as reflected in the intros.
Taylor Armstrong mentions being an internet meme and but it's an image from the show and Luann de Lesseps mentions being a singer but the poorly received song was streamed by Bravo TV network. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:02, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:The Amazing Race (American TV series) contestants

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:41, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale:
WP:PERFCAT --woodensuperman 14:43, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Celebrities appearing on television shows are definitely performances and undoubtedly fall foul of
WP:PERFCAT. --woodensuperman 14:08, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
If they are already celebrities, I would agree. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:31, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Checking a few at random, people like
WP:PERFCAT. --woodensuperman 12:51, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Celtic women

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The result of the discussion was: rename and purge.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:03, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale:
WP:C2D main article Ancient Celtic women. This main article describes the scope under Ancient Celtic women#Duration and extent of Celtic culture as from c. 800 BC at the earliest until about the fifth century AD. That means all women born after 500 CE need to be purged from this category. That probably means all subcategories except Category:Celtic women warriors, Category:4th-century Irish women, Category:5th-century Irish women, and Category:5th-century Welsh women. The rest aren't "Ancient". Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 14:13, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
  • Is there a Celtic woman who is not an ancient Celtic woman? In other words, from what does "ancient" need to be disambiuated? Is there a "modern Celtic women" category? If not, then this nomination seems to be a solution in search of a problem. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:48, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename and purge insofar as Celt is a suitable categorization, only the ancient Celts qualify, and the rename would prevent misapplication of the category to others. (t · c) buidhe 01:08, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Former Muslim countries in Europe

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 27#Category:Former Muslim countries in Europe

Category:Witnesses to John Brown's execution

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 23:29, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: A
non-defining characteristic. Generally, people are not defined by having witnessed an event. User:Namiba 12:55, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
That would suggest that a list, rather than a category, would a better approach here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:35, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Grammarians by nationality

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The result of the discussion was: keep.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:42, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Apart from the below exceptions, all other entries in this category are "by state/country", not "by nationality". Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:00, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Where do you put the "French linguists" and the "Belgian linguists" who happen to live and work in Germany? Are they not Linguists from Germany? Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:23, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@
Oculi: What about Aditi Lahiri? Is she an Indian linguist or a linguist from the United Kingdom or both? Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:29, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Oculi (talk) 14:37, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
But if, as you suggest, that Category:Linguists from the United Kingdom is actually a "by nationality" category, then she is in the British and the Indian linguist trees. How can this be correct? Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:16, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I did not check the article, but it is not unheard of that people have several nationalities. Especially scholars that teach in a country where they were not born. And imho a scholar native from Bar who works at the National University of Foo deserves to be categorized as both a scholar from Bar and a scholar from Foo, regardless of whether they hold a Fooian passport or not. Place Clichy (talk) 02:30, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Grammarians

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Category:Western European people

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 23:30, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Follow-up of
WP:ARBITRARYCAT
. Relevant comments also applying to this nomination included:
Hence this follow-up nomination. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 09:54, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Terence Hill and Bud Spencer

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The result of the discussion was: keep.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:42, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Fails
WP:PERFCAT --woodensuperman 09:43, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
I had missed the Terence Hill and Bud Spencer joint article. I'll defer to other editors here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 04:06, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Nations at the Special Olympics World Summer Games

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Unopposed,
(non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 23:09, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Remove "Summer" per other multi-sport event categories as winter is/can be included. Pelmeen10 (talk) 06:18, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Rulers of Florence

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The result of the discussion was: rename to
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:37, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale:
WP:ARBITRARYCAT (see the Rulers CfM for background). Because Florence was long known as the Republic of Florence (1115–1569), even though it also had a de facto de' Medici dynasty in the 1434–1569 period (known as "Lord of Florence" 1434–1494 and 1498–1532, and as "Duke of Florence" 1532–1569) functioning as a hereditary head of state, interrupted by a fiercely strictly non-hereditary republican period the absence of the de Medici' in 1494–1498 (when the Gonfaloniere of Justice served as both head of government (the Signoria of Florence) and head of state), the head of state of Florence during this entire period of time should simply be called that: "head of state of Florence". "rulers" implies sovereign hereditary monarchs, which Girolamo Savonarola and Piero Soderini were not. (Alternatively, we could create a separate Category:Gonfalonieri of Justice
which we would populate with them and other gonfalonieri of justice of Florence).

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Rulers of Austria

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The result of the discussion was: rename as proposed.
(non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 23:12, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale:
List of monarchs of Austria, which I BOLDly renamed to prevent confusion with presidents and chancellors of the Austrian republics post-1918. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:36, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I am confused here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:50, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Summary 3 people plus myself as nom are in favour. 1 opposed. 1 suggested a secondary option that nobody else favoured. (1 suggested creating a new separate category, which will not influence this nomination).
Score: 4 to 1 in favour of rename. @LaundryPizza03 does that clear things up for you? Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 11:11, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 11:13, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:K-pop concert films

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The result of the discussion was: merge to
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:43, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: The concert films were moved into a created category named K-pop concert films, which I don't deem necessary just because it's in a different language. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 04:50, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Rulers of Hesse

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The result of the discussion was: rename to
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:16, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale:
List of monarchs of Bavaria and List of monarchs of Württemberg. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:51, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
  • @Laurel Lodged: there is no indication that they were subordinate to the elder brother, but formally they were all subordinate to the Holy Roman Emperor. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    What Marco says. Similarly, as I've said in a related CfR about Thuringia, there is a
    Wilhelm II, German Emperor. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 23:03, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    The article Federal prince claims The [German Empire] was a federal state, with its constituent states remaining sovereign states. I find that somewhat doubtful; the whole idea of a federal state is that one gives up at least part of one's sovereignty to a supranational polity, which has control over matters such as defence and foreign policy. This is the case for the US (thus a federation), but not the EU (thus a confederation, although leaning towards federalism with ongoing integration). The Holy Roman Empire, especially after the Middle Ages, is best characterised as a confederation, while the German Empire is best considered a federation. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 23:13, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Fictional heart attacks

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Active shooter incidents in the United States

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Mass shootings in Mexico by year

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Mass shootings in Canada by year

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