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File:Isat logo.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Killiondude (talk) 04:30, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

File:Isat logo.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Tbhotch (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Available under superior format at File:I.Sat logo.svg Magog the Ogre (t • c) 01:29, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, redundant to SVG file. Salavat (talk) 10:16, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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File:Justice 1.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Killiondude (talk) 04:30, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

File:Justice 1.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by J Greb (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Superfluous non-free media: there is already a piece of non-free media in this article to identify the comic. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:46, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Multiple items of non-free content can not be used if one item can convey equivalent significant information. --Saqib (talk) 16:16, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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File:PaineLions.png

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The result of the discussion was: tagged as orphan. Killiondude (talk) 04:32, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

File:PaineLions.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Absolon (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Superseded athletics logo. The new image, per both the SIAC website and Paine's own site (http://www.paineathletics.com/site/assets/logo.svg), can now be found at File:Paine College athletics logo 2018.svg. —C.Fred (talk) 03:41, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • @C.Fred:, unused non-free files should be tagged with {{subst:orfud}} (orphaned non-free images) instead of being listed here at FFD. Orhaned non-free files will then be deleted within seven days. Salavat (talk) 10:15, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Salavat: I should have known that. I think part of me wanted to make sure there wasn't an issue with the replacement file. I'll withdraw so this can be closed, then? —C.Fred (talk) 14:56, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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File:Spar Street's painting Lift of Freedom, with U.N. Messenger of Peace Dame Jane Goodall.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 07:05, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

File:Spar Street's painting Lift of Freedom, with U.N. Messenger of Peace Dame Jane Goodall.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Ordinarymind42 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Unverifiable license statement (not online, no archive available). More importantly, it's unclear what is licensed (photo vs. painting), and freedom of panorama wouldn't apply to the painting in most countries including the US. ~ Rob13Talk 10:49, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 12:27, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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File:TANGO6 Gene Location on Human Chromosome 16.png

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 07:05, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

File:TANGO6 Gene Location on Human Chromosome 16.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by LukeSPhoto (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

No license statement seen on the page? Listing here mostly because I might be missing something - the page is quite dense. Could someone sanity check me here? ~ Rob13Talk 10:52, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, essentially orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 12:28, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This is an image from GeneCards, which is certainly not CC-licensed. It's also redundant to the image in the infobox at TANGO6. (The text content of the sandbox looks OK on a skim, though.) Opabinia regalis (talk) 10:15, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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File:Predicted Protein Interaction of DEPDC1B.png

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 07:05, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

File:Predicted Protein Interaction of DEPDC1B.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Murra668 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Licensing unclear. ~ Rob13Talk 11:04, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Meh. This is an image from the STRING project, whose products are under a CC-BY 4.0 license. However, the data represented in the image is out of date. Opabinia regalis (talk) 10:22, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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File:Rodney Bewes 1973 screenshot.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. The question here is, "Does Bewes's notability rest in large part on his earlier visual appearance, satisfying points one and eight of

WP:NFCC?" The consensus here is, "No, his appearance is not why he is notable. He was simply younger at the time of his peak." ℯxplicit 05:23, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply
]

BeckenhamBear (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log
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There is dispute as to whether inclusion of this file in

WP:NFCC#1. This is a procedural nomination so that interested parties have a venue to discuss; I am neutral. FASTILY 10:56, 16 December 2017 (UTC)[reply
]

Courtesy ping for @
BeckenhamBear, @George Ho, @Stephen. -FASTILY 10:57, 16 December 2017 (UTC)[reply
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  • Comment - Before voting, I would like to say about this image. I'm unsure whether it's replaceable by File:Rodney Bewes 2004.jpg, which depicts him at an a very later age and is awaiting an OTRS verification, in contrast to this non-free image that depicts the actor/character at a younger age in the '70s. Also, I'm unsure whether BBC has U.S. commercial interests in this screenshot, even when it is a non-profit British television service. The deletion of another file at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2017 May 18 was endorsed due to BBC's commercial interests in that file. However, I would say that being a mere screenshot of a fictional element is not a sole reason to remove or delete the image itself. George Ho (talk) 11:06, 16 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • Update: I added File:Rodney Bewes 2004 (cropped).jpg in the article, but I put it as part of the body article for now until the outcome of this discussion is made. –George Ho (talk) 13:55, 31 December 2017 (UTC) Moved from the bottom of the section to flow the discussion (...or something like that). George Ho (talk) 23:05, 31 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I am using the following policy to justify use of this photo:
    • Images with iconic status or historical importance. (The replacement photo mentioned above is not instantly identifiable to the actor in his hey-day. This one does. The ONLY role he is known for; which is iconic in the UK at least).
    • An image that provides a representative visual reference for other elements in the article, is preferred over providing a picture of each element discussed. (Yes, he is only known for one role. The one in my photo).
    • For media that involves live actors, do not supply an image of the actor in their role if an appropriate free image of the actor exists on their page (as per WP:BLP and above), if there is little difference in appearance between actor and role. However, if there is a significant difference due to age or makeup and costuming, then, when needed, it may be appropriate to include a non-free image to demonstrate the role of the actor in that media. (First he's deceased, and second the rest applies here too, His fame dates from the 1960s and 70's, he never looked remotely the same since out of that era. His features differ greatly from those in the nations consciousness. --
      talk) 11:48, 16 December 2017 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete with one possible exception: The free version from Commons seems more than sufficient for primary identification purposes in the main infobox. The fact that the subject is deceased does not change that in my opinion. I only think an NFCC#1 exception would be granted for this if the primary reason for his Wikipedia notability was his appearance (i.e., it was something which received significantly coverage in reliable sources at the time). The NFCCP do not really allow exceptions for non-free use simply to compare and contrast how an individual appeared in his/her "hey day" when perhaps they were most active career-wise and recognizable to Joe-Public and the reasoning given in item 1 of
    WP:NFCC
    is the policy and it is this which needs to be satisfied. Even for deceased individuals, non-free use is not assumed to be automatic simply because they are deceased; all of the non-free content use criteria still need to be met.
Now for my exception, if this image is can be used in the body of the article near sourced relevant content discussing Bewes appearance at that particular time of his life or his appearance in that particular show, or can be used in support of sourced commentary which discusses how his appearance may have changed since his "hey day" (e.g., he had an accident or otherwise needed/underwent surgery which drastically changed his appearance ala
WP:ITSHISTORIC
; I believe there needs to be critical commentary in reliable sources telling us that his appearance was historic/iconic for such a claim to hold water.
Finally, the
WP:MEETOO and take it into account when they close the discussion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:23, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
]
Good argument above. One more question: What about
WP:NFCC#2 and video clips of BBC content at Getty Images? George Ho (talk) 11:19, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
]
A lot to think about here. Need time, to learn and study the entire policy. In the meantime I direct you to
talk) 11:46, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply
]
If Rodney's notability "rests in a large part on their earlier visual appearance" or his change in appearance was the the subject of sourced critical commentary, then add the relevant content and supporting citations to the article. This would, in my opinion, make the claim that the non-free use of file is justified much stronger. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:00, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
We're coming full circle here. Rodneys notability (as evidenced in the EN:Wiki article") is best known for playing Bob Ferris in the BBC television sitcom The Likely Lads (1964–66) and its colour sequel Whatever Happened to the Likely Lads? (1973–74). Bewes' later career was of a much lower profile (little or no TV), but he continued to work as a stage actor". This is referenced in "The Times". His appearance demonstrably and radically changed as seen in the photographs on the web. I quoted WP:NFC#UUI, It does not demand cosmetic surgery as a justification. Frankly his appearance has changed as much (or more) than Yankovic who only had his eyesight corrected. Rodney is not Kim Kardashian and therefore we must rely majorly on photography, rather than narrative. I would submit that imagery is as influential as the written word. I also give you
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File:Drumm at Bodenstown.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT⚡ 07:05, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

File:Drumm at Bodenstown.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by GiollaUidir (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

per c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Drumm at Bodenstown.jpg. Possibly fair use candidate? Magog the Ogre (t • c) 06:15, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Yoo seung.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Wrong forum. The file is on Commons. Please nominate it for deletion there if you still feel it should be deleted. AnomieBOT⚡ 19:12, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

File:Yoo seung.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Ekaykang (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Image is sourced as 'own work' however the image is clearly not their own work. Image looks to be a picture taken of a computer screen. Struggled to find original source, but image can be seen in use on other websites using reverse image search Alexanderlee (talk) 18:34, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Mary FallinGovernor.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 07:05, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

File:Mary FallinGovernor.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by JimmyJoe87 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Invalid PD icense. This is not a US government photo. Mary Fallin is the Governor of Oklahoma State. Photo with copyright notice at bottom of page. Not a free file. We hope (talk) 22:22, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 00:31, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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File:Jari askins.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 07:05, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

File:Jari askins.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by JimmyJoe87 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Invalid license. Not a US Government photo. Jari Askins is the Lieutenant Governor of Oklahoma State. Photo at top right with Oklahoma copyright notice at bottom. Not a free file. We hope (talk) 22:30, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Hughgaitskell.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Relisted at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 May 26#File:Hughgaitskell.jpg. Steel1943 (talk) 18:08, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Relisted at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 May 26#File:Rabbutler.jpg. Steel1943 (talk) 18:07, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Christopher-Birdwood.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Relisted at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 May 26#File:Christopher-Birdwood.jpg. Steel1943 (talk) 18:07, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Lansbury.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 07:05, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

File:Lansbury.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by JimmyJoe87 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Photo taken from Gueen's Wharf wesite which has a copyright notice. No dating for photo, so no way to determine when it was taken. File lists photographer as Bassano Ltd but the page lists no photographer. We hope (talk) 23:01, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

File:Photo 7 Council 1938, WRI George Lansbury head crop.jpg PD photo this one replaced. We hope (talk) 01:28, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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File:Hastingsleesmith.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Relicensed as non-free. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:29, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

File:Hastingsleesmith.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by JimmyJoe87 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Photo taken from Jewish Chronicle website which has copyright notice. Photo has no dating and there's no photographer named; file information lists the photographer as Bassano Ltd. We hope (talk) 23:06, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Would support a re-license of this as non-free as there is no image of the deceased person. We hope (talk) 01:38, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Photo has been relicensed. JimmyJoe87 (talk) 08:14, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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File:Malcolmmacdonald.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Relisted at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 May 26#File:Malcolmmacdonald.jpg. Steel1943 (talk) 18:04, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Relisted at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 May 26#File:Richardstokes.jpg. Steel1943 (talk) 18:03, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Relisted at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 May 26#File:Arthurjones.jpg. Steel1943 (talk) 18:01, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Emanuelshinwell.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Relisted at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 May 26#File:Emanuelshinwell.jpg. Steel1943 (talk) 18:00, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Georgetomlinson.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Keep as non-free. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:49, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

File:Georgetomlinson.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by JimmyJoe87 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Photo taken from website with copyright for Bolton Council. No dating for photo. We hope (talk) 23:25, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Would support re-license of this photo as non-free for the deceased person. We hope (talk) 01:42, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have re-licensed it JimmyJoe87 (talk) 07:59, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This is now licensed correctly for use in this article. We hope (talk) 13:28, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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