Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1032

bonadea Thanks! The page I am mentioning is this page: section 2.3, where it says 'deb is a honorific name' whereas 'Deb' actually in bengali means 'deity'.

How can I add a photo in any article of Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iufragknr (talk • contribs) 13:52, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

That's a broad question, here's a broad answer: Wikipedia:Images. However, random images you find on the internet can not be used, since they are almost always copyrighted (in the wrong way for our purpose). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:54, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi all, I was wondering if I could get feedback on a page I'm working on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:The_Carpentries

The page was initially removed under speedy deletion under A7, and I'm hoping to improve on this so it will be published. I've added a number of external sources outside of the organization, but am wondering if these will be enough. I'd appreciate any guidance the community can provide! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Punkerplus (talk • contribs) 13:53, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello,

reliable sources that each discuss the organization or program in some detail is needed. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs}

16:07, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

I would like to know how to upload an image to the common files without having it taken down for copyright violations? The picture that I am trying to upload belongs to a public figure and is already available to the public through their social media channels, however it was removed right after I uploaded it, the editor that commented on the thread alleged that this picture was not free for use even if it is already public, however the owner of the image has expressly authorized the use of the image. What can I do to re-upload it without having it removed by another editor? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MariaDelgadoDKM (talk • contribs) 14:04, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Available via social media is not good enough, copyright law is trickier than that. The owner must upload it themself to commons or release it with the right licenses, see

WP:DONATEIMAGE. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk

) 15:02, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipikeia (talk • contribs) 14:05, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Hey

Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy

, and we work more on common sense than we do about strict adherence to rules.

In terms of conflicts of interest, for the most part we are talking about people who have financial interests in the subjects about which they write. Yes, you may technically have a conflict through your partner's association. But lots of editors start out contributing to areas that are closely related to them personally, things they've studied, local landmarks, people they've met. The really important thing is that your goal in contributing is to create a neutral and useful educational resource, and not primarily to promote the subject, to work on behalf of readers, and not on behalf of the subject. GMG^talk 15:05, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Wikipikeia, and welcome! The approach you have now on your user page (i.e. explaining your interest in the context of a pages-I-have-created list, and mentioning that you had consulted the Teahouse) works really well. Best wishes, Pelagic (talk) 20:09, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

I see the use of the word several times on Wikipedia but I'm not 100% sure what they are. Do they come automatically or is there something you need to click on in order to use them?Prana1111 (talk) 9:00, 11 November 2019 (CST)

Hello

Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup, it can be a "banner" at the top of an article or section, or small inline stuff like ^{[citation needed]}. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk

) 15:06, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Hey Prana1111. When people talk about tags, they're normally talking about the notification on articles and sections that serve two primary purposes. First they alert readers that some content might not currently meet Wikipedia standards, and so they should consider this when relying on the information there. Second, they automatically add the article to various lists of article that need cleanup work for whatever reason.

You can find a list of these tags at Category:Cleanup templates. There are a few automated tools that help make adding these easier, but you can also add them manually into the Wiki markup. So for example, if you find an article that reads like an advertisement, you can just click edit, and add {{Advert}} to the top of the page, and the tag will display at the top of the page once you hit publish. GMG^talk 15:10, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Prana1111, In addition to the cleanup templates described by GreenMeansGo, the term "tag" is often used for other templates which insert more or less temporary text into an article, particularly the speedy deletion templates such as {{db-a7}} and {{db-g12}}.

Somewhat confusingly, the term "tag" is often used for HTML elements enclosed in angle brackets, such as <ref>...</ref>. It all depends on the context in which the term is used. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:22, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Prana1111, tags can also be the seen in revision history like "Tags: visual edit, mobile edit, PHP7". Those are added automatically and seem to be used for statistical analysis on various aspects of the MediaWiki software. Sorry, I don't have a link to a more detailed explanation on hand right now. Pelagic (talk) 20:32, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

So, I came across this article, Tauthali, which was tagged for issues. I did what I thought was cleanup and left it in the best shape I could without actually getting invested in digging up better sources and expanding the article. Contrary to my initial impression that the article had degraded over time, it now appears that it was actually maintained that way by an IP-hopping anon editor. I reverted their attempt to revert my cleanup a couple of times already, and now I am wondering if I'm in an edit war instead of just protecting the article. Doesn't their version need to be plausibly acceptable for it to be content dispute? I don't know because I have never worked in areas prone to a lot of challenges from other editors. Usedtobecool ^TALK ✨ 15:36, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes I think you are, Usedtobecool, albeit a mild one and with good intent. Lets see if I have the sequence of events corect:

1. You made a number of changes to Tauthali which you felt served as cleanup to improve the article.
2. An IP editor then made a series of edits which were not exact reverts but which undid many of your changes, and made a few new changes.
3. You then reverted the IP's edit to restore your cleanup changes.
4. The IP editor then reverted your reversion.
5. You then re-reverted to restore your cleanup changes.

Neither of you made any talk page comments, nor even anuy descriptive edit summaries.

Back-and forth reverting, and the IPs changes, while perhaps not good, were not blatant vandalism. Yes that is an

WP:ANI or ping me to the article talk page. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs}

17:18, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

FWIW, your preferred version is much better. It does not have absurdly large images, and all the text is in English. Maproom (talk) 17:28, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you @DESiegel and Maproom: I have left my rationale at Talk:Tauthali. We'll see how it goes. An uninvolved user showed up, from RCP I imagine, and reverted them in the meantime, so I feel more comfortable going forward. Feel free to look it over and suggest improvements (lest we get started on the wrong foot, or if I have unknowingly given an IDLI argument or sth), or join in, if necessary, if you can. Again, many thanks! Usedtobecool ^TALK ✨ 14:49, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Your rationale looks good,Usedtobecool. I have left a talk back on the IP Editor's talk page sugesting posting to the article talk page. We will see what happens. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:38, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

plaease help me how to submit a draft for review.‎Draft:Samarkand economy and service institute, or how can I know if it's sent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Olimbek zayniddinov (talk • contribs) 9:10 pm, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

@

Submit}}" on the top of the page. Also don't forget to sign with four tildes-- ~~~~ after your posts. --PATH SLOPU

16:06, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

It's already submitted and under review, which can take days to months. Usedtobecool ^TALK ✨ 16:14, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

@

sources you used for the information in the article. For this reason, it will be declined. See University of Central Asia#References for an example of what a reasonable attempt at proper referencing looks like (though it still should have more independent sources, and fewer cites to the university's own web site). —[AlanM1(talk

)]— 16:53, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello. I have created an article in my sandbox titled: Karl van Beethoven. He was the nephew of Ludwig van Beethoven, famous for the bitter custody battle between the composer and his sister-and-law, Johanna van Beethoven. I would like to move it to the main space, however; when one enters "Karl van Beethoven", it re-directs to his father: Kaspar Anton Karl van Beethoven, who is sometimes referred to as "Karl" (and also "Kaspar"). How do I move the article to the main space, create the name "Karl van Beethoven", and remove it from "Kaspar Anton Karl van Beethoven" ... or better yet, how do I place a link: "This article is about Karl van Beethoven,the nephew of Ludwig van Beethoven. For his father, see Kaspar Anton Karl van Beethoven." as a header? Thanks in advance. Maineartists (talk) 15:40, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Maineartists, without commenting on the suitability of subject for an independent article, the way to convert a redirect to an article would be to get to the actual redirect page and clicking on edit. To get to the redirect page, when you enter the subject's title and it redirects to another article, there should be a link at the top saying (Redirected from Karl van Beethoven). If you click that one, it will take you to the redirect page. Or, you can click "what links here" on the left side bar of the article that the title redirects to. The redirect page is listed there and also takes to the actual redirect page without redirecting to the target when you click the title there. Regards! Usedtobecool ^TALK ✨ 16:26, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

I use {{about}} template to add distinguishers that you ask of, to the top of the article. Usedtobecool ^TALK ✨ 16:29, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, Usedtobecool! This is very helpful! Best, Maineartists (talk) 16:31, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello, how do I set up a new page for a recently new UFC athlete/ entertainer — Preceding unsigned comment added by JabanB85 (talk • contribs) 15:49, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello

WP:TOOSOON to write an article if the athlete/entertainer is very new like it appears they are. In that case, we'll need to wait for the person to become notable enough to deserve an article. Hope this helps! Usedtobecool ^TALK ✨

16:45, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi there, another than the RfC, what are the other ways I can invite independent, reliable editors to an existing Wikipedia page so they can help improve the page's quality? --KatherineBusby2019 (talk) 15:53, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

@

WikiProjects are usually the best way to find some. Check the page's talk page, oftentimes there are banners there indicating which WikiProjects are interested in this topic. Regards SoWhy

16:04, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

@SoWhy: Thanks for the support! --KatherineBusby2019 (talk) 16:07, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

@SoWhy: I've filed a WikiProjects Council proposal here. Would you recommend doing anything else? --KatherineBusby2019 (talk) 14:38, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

@

require paid contributors to publicly declare that and by who they are paid to edit Wikipedia and failure to do so will result in being barred from editing Wikipedia. Regards SoWhy

14:55, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

@SoWhy: The COI has been declared. When you say "existing Wikiprojects" do you mean adding a note on the Talk pages of say, Wikiprojects Companies? Thanks for your guidance. KatherineBusby2019 (talk) 16:13, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello! What should I do if i spotted a dead link and haven't found a substitute? Should i delete it and add a citation needed notice or just delete? Thank you! --Less Unless (talk) 16:39, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

If it's a reference, as distinct from an external link, you'll find advice at

WP:DEADREF. --David Biddulph (talk

) 16:57, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

WP:DEADREF for a fuller explanation. If you want to fix the issue,see Help:Archiving a source and see Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1030#Archives PGN/ Gloria Casarez where this issue was discussed in some detail. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs}

17:31, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Greetings once again, I've been learning how to use templates, yet if I want to find specific ones I need to go through a bunch of different pages so I can see what code they are written in. Is there a way I can find them quicker maybe by some kind of word search or is there a certain pattern in which they are written? Signature error fixed. Prana1111 (talk) 17:42, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

We now seem to have your signature 5 times on that one message, including one corrupted version pointing to the nonexistent user User:Prana. If you've tried to customise your signature in your preferences, I would strongly recommend that you reset it to the default. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:03, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello,

tl}}. You can use Special: Allpages with namespace "Template" to list all templates. Also, many templates are collected into appropriate categories, for example Category:infobox templates. --ColinFine (talk

) 18:22, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello,

Wikipedia:Template messages. Most templates include documentation spelling out the parameters they use and the purpose they are intended to achieve. When there is good documentation, it is usually not essential to read the actual template code to learn how and when to use the template. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs}

18:30, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Searching in the dedicated searchbox at Wikipedia:Templates can help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:24, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

​The way I do it is to use Google to search for "wikipedia template infobox horse". It usually points me to the correct template. Some templates are almost impossible to find if you don't know what they're called, in those cases I just wait until I come across them somewhere else and then try to remember them. – Thjarkur (talk) 23:02, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

@Prana1111: As Þjarkur said above, Google can help but sometimes a template is near-impossible to find; that's when I personally go ahead and ask a question at the Teahouse. Airbornemihir (talk) 12:33, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Rail transport outline, category, and articles need super-help. Paptilian has commenced organization and categorization here, in which a project for Wikipedia:Asia month appears and organization of rail-related topics are now forming, maybe a new page will appear for collaboration. Paptilian has super-organization skill, yet lacks the other cool (Wikipedia) know-how, Editors who may fall into this latter category as expert or at least knowledgable are encouraged to fill in here.amendedPaptilian (talk) 17:59, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Greetings Teahouse, what would be necessary to accomplish a Rail transport over-haul? Paptilian (talk) 17:43, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

I assume that rather than here you meant to link to User talk:Paptilian? --David Biddulph (talk) 17:48, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Trying this again. User:Paptilian/Rail transport, and its associated talk page.Paptilian (talk) 18:04, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello everyone, I have thought that one can either Publish straight into Main space with the risk of it being taken down OR submit it for a review with the risk to wait for two months for it to be reviewed. However, when pressed Publish changes it only offered me to submit it for a review. Is it because I am a newbie editor? The background is that I created an article about a Lebanese public figure and given the situation in Lebanon I was keen for it to be live sooner than later. Many thanks (I hope it isn't a stupid question, probably is...)! MarthaBergman (talk) 17:55, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello,

autoconfirmed

users, that is users that have had an account for at least 4 days, an have made at lest 10 edits. You are not yet autoconfirmed, but you soon will be if you keep editing. It is also possible for an autoconfirmed user to start a page directly in the main article space. Howe veer, I advise strongly against doing that. I, as a rather experienced user, never do it. I work up an article in user space or draft space, and move it to the main article space when I think it is ready. This is because I cannot create an article that is ready for readers to see in a single edit, and few editors can (unless they do the draft stage off-line)

I think you have misunderstood the meaning of the Publish changes button. All mit does is save the page (or sectiuon) you are editing, with the same name it had when you started the edit. It does not move the page to the main article space. It does "publish" in the sense that every Wikipedia page is public, and can be viewed by anyone unless it is deleted oe specially hidden. The button used to be simply Save changes but the caption was changed to remind people that anythign saved would be public. I think this caused more confusion then help. In any case "Publish changes' is just "save", to publish as an article the move fuction is needed. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:21, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Oh, and the main page is Main Page the introductory page for all of Wikipedia. I think you meant the main article space. If not, there are significant restrictions in what content appears on the main page. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:24, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello DES thank you so much! Very helpful. So yes, I remember reading about the Move button and I expected it to appear after I hit Publish changes, but as you explain given that I am not autoconfirmed, this wasn't option. I fiddled on the article draft for over two months now, so it isn't in any way a first edit and hit approach. And because I fiddled for ages and in the meantime the Lebanese situation is topical, I wanted to publish straight into main article space. What can I do now - can I 'de-Publish the changes' and take it out of the draft review process and do more other wiki edits to get autoconfirmed and Publsh the article? Many thanks again! MarthaBergman (talk) 18:59, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Once you are autoconfirmed,

move function. Please read that link to see how to use it. It does NOT start from the "Publish changes" button. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs}

19:12, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

All clear, thank you very much again DES!! MarthaBergman (talk) 20:36, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Just a mention that, even when your article is moved to mainspace, it will not be indexed by Google for 90 days or until it has undergone new page review. Dbfirs 22:39, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

hello! i would like some help with a banner and some cleanup at sam zell. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sam_Zell thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CocoTwinkletoe (talk • contribs) 18:02, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

CocoTwinkletoe see my comments on Talk:Sam Zell, please. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:35, 11 November 2019 (UTC) CocoTwinkletoe DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:36, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

How do I change my name on Wikipedia?

@

Porygon-Z474: See Wikipedia:Changing username. --CiaPan (talk

) 19:21, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

So how do I contact the Global Name Changer?

talk

) 17:47, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

See WP:Changing username#Venues. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:52, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

I have heard that the popularity of Bob Steele waned because of his stature. It is my understanding he was of short stature and it just did not look right for a small man to be whipping up on big men. Is there any truth to this? I enjoyed the western movies with him. Just curious about this rumor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.226.118.236 (talk) 18:42, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Teahouse is the wrong venue for this question. If any sources have talked about this rumor and veracity of it, folks at

WP:RD/E, the entertainment reference desk might be able to find out. Usedtobecool ^TALK ✨

21:27, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello, I would like to draw the attention of the house to the mass deletion of articles created by a blocked user User:Tyt0791. I am not here to address the block but the deleted articles are very notable names in the Ghanaian community. Names like the Ghana Education Service, Peace Fm, Kasapa FM, Tema Senior High School amongst others are very known in Ghana. Please, we should come together and help restore these pages, such a work cannot be taken off an encyclopedia like Wikipedia. Refer to https://xtools.wmflabs.org/pages/en.wikipedia.org/Tyt0791 for the deleted contributions. --154.160.6.171 (talk) 19:14, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunately from your viewpoint, Unregistered Editor, Wikipedia has a rule, known as

CSD G5

that if an editor is blocked (usually for improper behavior of some sort) and then returns under a different name in violation of that block, and creates pages or articels while breaking the block, all such pages can be deleted no matter how desirable they might be, until some other editor,who is not violating a block, chooses to recreate them. (This only applies to pages that no other editor has made significant contributions to.) Strictly speaking, the G5 rule does not say that such pages must be deleted, but it does say that they can be without discussion, and in practice such pages are usually deleted. Not everyone here thinks this is a good idea, but many do.

In the case of User:Tyt0791, it seems that a great many pages were created, and quite a few fake identities were used. That user is, I gather, considered a particularly egregious case, and there was a special project to delete all the pages that user had created, which i believe is now complete or largely complete. Much of it was done by Berean Hunter, and a significant part by TonyBallioni and quite a few others were also involved. While you could ask, I doubt that the decision to delete these pages will be changed or undone.

I am afraid that the only option is for some other person or persons to recreate these articles without the help of the versions that have been deleted. It might be possible to get a list of the articles involved, But I cannot promise that. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 20:05, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

I work on libertarian subjects. There's a page for activist Ed Lopez (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ed_Lopez&action=history) I've edited for some time here and there and I noticed that recently it's been afflicted by an erroneous edit twice: two different editors have deleted an alumni category for Durham University. The subject is a graduate of the university. I notice the deletions have taken place through HotCat. Can someone please help me understand why this is happening and how it can be stopped given the fact that the subject is a graduate of this university in England?--Grant18650602 (talk) 21:14, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

@Grant18650602:The article is already in the category, Category:Alumni of Ustinov College, Durham. This category is in the category Category:Alumni of Durham University. So, adding that category to the article is redundant. That's why it's being removed. Usedtobecool ^TALK ✨ 21:23, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

@Usedtobecool: Thank you, I understand how that seems redundant but for universities with colleges in England (and I believe Scotland too), having both the college and the university seems reasonable: I search for alumni under the university first when I research subjects that graduated from these, and ultimately that is the mothership of the alumni structure. I hope whatever has triggered that practice can be reconsidered; I understand the rationale - it just seems like a poor practice unless they just delete the overall category: so long as it exists it should include the aggregate of the alumni of all the colleges for these institutions. Thank you for your help, again!--Grant18650602 (talk) 21:41, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Grant18650602. There is a policy about articles appearing more than once in the category hierarchy, but I can't find it on a quick look. However, I think that PetScan will be able to help you find what you want even in this case. --ColinFine (talk) 22:31, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Thank you - I hope they revise it if that's the policy, it really does seem to be in public interest to span both the broader universities and their colleges. Frankly, for a more universal familiarity, if anything, including the broader university rather than the college would be more useful.--Grant18650602 (talk) 22:36, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

WP:DIFFUSE reading those might help you. Part of the point is to avoid parent or high-level categories having so many members that they are of no value. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:10, 11 November 2019 (UTC) @ColinFine: DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs}

23:11, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

There is also some relevant comment at Category talk:Alumni of Durham University. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:14, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you - it seems confusing. I really hope at some point they can use both categories: I saw that as a consumer of Wikipedia articles that pays attention to that type of thing.--Grant18650602 (talk) 02:47, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

@Grant18650602: The key is to use the right tool for the job. It's not as easy as just clicking on the category at the bottom, but PetScan (mentioned above) should get you what you want (and has lots of other options to customize the results). Easier still in this case, since there are no more than 5 levels of sub-categories or more than 256 categories in total, the deepcat: option on the standard search should do what you want. I just put Alumni of Durham University in the "Pages in these categories" field to get this. However, this search is only returning 527 hits, while PetScan returns 1392 (including Aba Andam, an example who is missing from the other set), so stick with PetScan for now. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 03:49, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! I have never used these tools so I need to get acquainted with them!--Grant18650602 (talk) 17:08, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

I've spend bits of time slowly improving Ferrari 250 GTO over the past couple years. My next target is to fix up the Price history section, which is currently mostly comprised of a rather ugly and uninformative bulleted list that doesn't have many references. I have access to a variety of sources that will improve the quality/reliability of the information, including Ferrari periodicals, books, auction results etc. My current plan is to replace the current bulleted list with a matplotlib plot, plotting the price of each sale over time. While I'm familiar enough with generating the plot and building a table of the data, I'm at a loss as to how to present the data itself on wikipedia in a way that is accessible, readable, and easily updated so the plot itself can be updated by another user if needed.

Basically I'm imagining somehow sharing the table of price/date data used to build the plot, along with a metadata column showing the source for each row of data? Should this literally just be a table in the article below the plot itself? Or is there a better way to do it that won't crowd the article with a giant table that is already represented by the plot?

Similarly, I was planning on sharing the code used to make the plot on github and linking the repo from the commons page where I upload the plot. Good idea or is there another way I should do it?

Overall, I'm wondering what the best documentation/archiving practices are for contributing data-driven plots to WP and making sure both the data and the code used to generate the plot are accessible, reusable and maintainable. Thanks for any advice!!! Prova MO (talk) 21:54, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello,

Wikipedia is not a sales catalog. Failing that, a tabular form would in my view be preferable to any sort of chart or plot, with a source column to provide a source (a citation) for each row of the table. There should be no uncited rows allowed. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs}

23:02, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I'm going to respectfully disagree with you on removing the section, per

WP:NOTCATALOG: "Encyclopedic significance may be indicated if mainstream media sources (not just product reviews) provide commentary on these details instead of just passing mention". There is extensive coverage (including citations already in the article) of the 250 GTO's price history in both the general-interest and automotive press. This is due to the model's tendency since the 1980s to routinely break records for most expensive car ever sold. To be clear, I'm not asking the best way to completely replace any tabulated data with a chart, I'm asking what is the best practice for including both the data in tabular format and a chart. If per your suggestion, the best way is to just put a regular old table in that section as well as a chart, I will do that. Totally understand about removing uncited rows, I will be removing the uncited price data "bullet points" already present in the article if I cannot find a reliable source. Thanks! Prova MO (talk)

23:22, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

That is a reasonable approach to take. I will let others with more experience buiding charts answer as to the best way or ways to do that. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:36, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

@Prova MO: Chart-only would be accessibility-unfriendly, so definitely provide the table. Producing the chart on-wiki would be preferable for consistency of style and maintainability. Have a look at {{Graph:Chart}}; there may be others. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 04:25, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks AlanM1, will definitely be providing the table as well. I just looked through {{Graph:Chart}}, glad to see that you can make a scatter plot with that template. Somehow I missed that capability looking through other how-to articles. That was my main reason for using matplotlib, but since the chart template can do it I will use it instead. Prova MO (talk) 18:42, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

In order to translate an article from another language into English, you must create the article in English, and then link it to the original article's language entry, right — Preceding unsigned comment added by ViscontiEnsi (talk • contribs) 22:12, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Basically, yes, ViscontiEnsi: you can only link articles in different languages together once they exist. You may use an article in one language as the basis for the article in another language (and then you must attribute it properly, to satisfy the licensing requirements); but you may change it and add or delete material, or start completely from scratch. Sometimes you need to make changes, because the article in one language contains material that is not acceptable in the other Wikipedia (each language Wikipedia has its own rules and procedures). See Translation for more information. --ColinFine (talk) 22:36, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Are there any features that are mostly unknown and are cool? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mobalegend1 (talk • contribs) 22:39, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

talk

) 03:50, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse,

WP:NOT takes you to an informative list of all the things that Wikipedia is not supposed to be. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it

04:24, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

It's so easy to intimidate people. You can cite all sorts of rules, and the exceptions to the rules, and the exceptions to the exceptions. And sooner or later, you will come to understand that

Wikipedia really is not a reliable source. Fabrickator (talk

) 04:37, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

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) 08:34, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

If an actor/actress were to be in a television film, would the television film be in the television section of the filmography or the film section of the filmography? --FromFrank✎Talk♬ 22:54, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello,

WP:FILMOGRAPHY has some style suggestions, and shows several possible styles. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs}

23:22, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

FromFrank, It seems that that style guide I linked says: Please note: When using separate film and television performances tables (ex. #1), television films belong in the television table. So there you are. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:33, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. --FromFrank✎Talk♬ 23:35, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Is it ok if I send messages to other editors by creating a new section on their talk page or are the users who own the talk page only allowed to publish changes on it? Heads up, the new sentences added beneath mine by DevilDrama do not belong to me, but I wouldn't care if you answered the question.Prana1111 (talk) 01:05, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

The purpose of user talk pages is to communicate with other users, so yes, it is definitely okay to leave messages there. I split the other user's question into a different section to prevent confusion. :)

talk

) 01:30, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi

WP:REDACT once someone does respond (except in some really obvious cases). Any attempt to change one's own posts or someone else's posts to try and mislead others, however, is not going to be permitted under any circumstances and is likely to lead to a strong rebuke or even a block from an administrator. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 05:10, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Prana1111. The above advice from MarchJuly is quite good, but a couple of exceptions. Some editors, including myself, have given blanket advance permission to others to correct spelling and formatting mistakes. (That is listed on my user page And some editors, including myself, treat all posts to their user talk page as if each post had been replied to, and will revert any blanking. Some editors ask that particular subjects be addressed on particular sub-pages of their user talk page. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 05:38, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Please Some one tell me how to add a image in any person's page on Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by DevilDrama (talk • contribs) 01:06, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello, DevilDrama, and welcome to the Teahouse. See Help:Pictures for the syntax of including an iamge on a Wikipedia page. Se Wikipedia:Images for more about image use in general, and Wikipedia:Uploading images for how images get onto Wikipedia (and commons) in the first place. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 02:25, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

I need to update some bits of information in several TFAs, particularly the one on Operation Catechism, where in the TFA it links as [[RAF Bomber Command|Royal Air Force heavy bombers]] where in the article it links as [[Royal Air Force]] [[Heavy bomber|Heavy bombers]]. How do I update the TFA with this information and others I have found? (note: I can't edit it straight from WP:TFA, as I can't find the template in the text) Thanks! dibbydib ^💬/_✏ 01:40, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Like any other article. Ruslik_Zero 08:16, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

@Ruslik0: I can't find the location of the template itself though (in this case {{Wikipedia:Today's featured article/{{tomorrow|long}}}}). dibbydib ^💬/_✏ 01:04, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

@Dibbydib: If you look at the talk page of the article, you will find the necessary link. Ruslik_Zero 17:49, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

I want to know if Wikipedia is the right page for a proposed "List of train departures in China", where I plan to put down the two termini for each train departure, after my previous page (which included all the stops as well as the time of arrival/departure was proposed for deletion (and I requested its deletion). (See my talk page.) If it doesn't work, does Wikivoyage work? Thanks.

This means I am planning something like this:

Please reply to me ASAP.

@

WP:NOTTRAVEL #2, etc. —[AlanM1(talk

)]— 04:45, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

@

talk

) 05:00, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi

nobody notices the edits until much later on. It's quite possible that information about train routes/time schedules might be OK to add as part of a larger article about a particular train service, but not really something appropriate to create a stand-alone article about. If you'd like further clarification on whether this is the case with what you're trying to do, try asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains because that's where you're likely going to find editors experienced in articles related to trains. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 05:21, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi Team, I published the article on behalf of Oshodhara Team, if wiki team ask for any document i will provide, copyright policy need to verify again due to i have only two sources to verify about Mater Osho Siddharth, 1.Oshodhara website (After communication with this team i used content from there) 2.My study through the different sources About biography:- I mentioned all detailed due to currently community belong to him presence in future me & any wiki contributors will contribute as per their knowledge. Kindly have a look & let me know how can i process with this article. Thanks.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravishashtri (talk • contribs) 06:15, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Ravishashtri, you created a user page for a Wikipedia user "Osho Siddhartha Aulia" who has not registered a Wikipedia account. It has been deleted as the user page of a non-existent user of Wikipedia. I assume that you were trying to create a Wikipedia article about Oshodhara, or Osho Siddarth. Are you connected with this person or their team? Maproom (talk) 10:07, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Maproom, i want to create article about Osho Siddharth Aulia, i am connected with his team, i am new on wiki i read multiple article will you help me to process step by step for a article or i will email my content to any contributor with reference detail, looking for help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravishashtri (talk • contribs) 10:55, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

You need to read about

paid editing. --David Biddulph (talk

) 11:07, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi Aman Kumar Goel, welcome to the Teahouse. Your diff added 2352 non-breaking space characters instead of normal spaces. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:38, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Okay so, how I do identify non-breaking spaces in my version? I can't see any. Aman Kumar Goel^(Talk) 08:04, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

@Aman.kumar.goel: The diff hints they are after pipes. You can also copy-paste source text to the "Characters" field at [2] and click "View in Uniview" to look for special characters. In [3] I clicked "Advanced" in the toolbar, clicked a search and replace icon to the top right, copy-pasted one of the non-breaking spaces to the "Search for" field, wrote a normal space in the "Replace with" field, and clicked "Replace all". I use the desktop site. Start by clicking "Desktop" at the bottom if you are on the mobile site. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:08, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

While linking names is it possible to link the English Wikipedia page to any other language page of that person (Angunnu (talk) 08:14, 12 November 2019 (UTC))

@Angunnu: Hello and welcome to the teahouse. Yes, you can link to other wikis, though generally you shouldn't within an article. What would you like to link? DannyS712 (talk) 08:23, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

I have written my article and got a rejection here. I have put the source, then also it went rejected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ranu_Mondal#

Rocky 734 (talk) 12:38, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

@Rocky 734: Your article appears only to have been rejected once from what I can see, and the reason given is that "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject". Simply adding sources won't solve this problem unless they are reliable, independent, secondary sources that show significant coverage. If you have an issue with the decision, it is better to address this at WP:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk rather than here at the Teahouse, though. Hug^syrup 12:48, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Ok sir thanks @Hugsyrup:

• Hugsyrup, the Teahouse is in fact a normal and quite acceptable place to ask this sort of question. In fact, the decline templats automatically placed on the talk pages of draft submitters suggest asking for advice here. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:14, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

DESiegel - The standard decline template only says 'If you need any assistance, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk'. The optional Teahouse-specific message says 'If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse' (my bold). Since you post here are lot, you are surely well aware that I frequently answer questions here about declined drafts, often at length. However, the fact is that specific issues with a decline decision are best addressed at the proper noticeboard and the tendency for the Teahouse to become the default place for these queries does not do us any favors, in my opinion. Hug^syrup 16:44, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• our guideline on significant coverage. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs}
  16:14, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
  • A subsidary issue is that the citation metadata is badly messed up. I suspect that the cites were created with the VE cite tool or a simialr semi-automated tool. This an example of why such tools are a good starting point but cannot be trusted without checking, rather like machine translations from one language to another. The cites have confusedly put tiemstamps in author fields, and other miss-identifications of bibliographic data. There were also some duplicated cites, which i combined, and there may be more. Fixing these wpould make a review easieer, but should not affect the outcome. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:14, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

@DESiegel:Thanks sir, i will try to avoid those tools.

On a famous school which warrants a Wikipedia page, does the Notable Alumni section need the real names of people or do you just add the fake name (when an actor has a fake name, his/her fake name is also the name of their wikipedia article). A bit confused, need help. --FromFrank✎Talk♬ 13:02, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello again, FromFrankIf a notable person is known primarily by a stage name, pen name, or other alternate name, it might be best to use that name. For example one might use Mark Twain rather than [[Mark Twain]|Samuel Langhorne Clemens]]. This is an issue that can be discussed on the article talk page of the article involved, an might differ depending non the person. But since there should be a link in any case to the article about the person, anyone who follows that link will know both names.

I would not use the term "fake name" for a pen name or stage name or the like, by the way. And not all articles about schools inclkude a "Notable Alumni" section, although many do. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 14:15, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

I don't know if there's a standard for this, but I would use "Mark Twain (Samuel Langhorne Clemens)". —[AlanM1(talk)]— 04:00, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Hey everyone! Recently I tried to make one of the requested articles and since it has the same name as a German surname, I moved it to this page. So I was thinking to make the old page a disambiguation page and list these two pages (surname and clothing) there, but I'm not sure how to do it? I'll be thankful for any help. Best wishes, --Thesecondcoal (talk) 16:31, 15 November 2019 (UTC) thesecondcoal — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thesecondcoal (talk • contribs) 13:24, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Thesecondcoal, KÜHL doesn't seem like a good title for the disambiguation page listing Kühl, the surname. You could conceivably create it at Kühl (disambiguation) though. I would suggest just moving the article back whether or not you create that disambiguation page. If you decide to create a disambiguation page, you can simply copy wikitext from other similar pages and modify it. Usedtobecool ^TALK ✨ 17:49, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Ive recently returned to editing on Wikipedia, what should I know(anything changed significantly?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by YuriGagrin12 (talk • contribs) 22:49, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello, YuriGagrin12: it rather depends how long you've been away. Many people now edit using the visual editor or from mobile devices (I do neither). The Draft space was introduced as the preferred place to develop draft articles, and we're stricter than we used to be about accepting substandard articles into article space. Is that the sort of thing you meant? --ColinFine (talk) 23:19, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

@Colinfine Thank you for the info! How do I get to the digital editor from my computer? So the draft space replaced the sandbox basically? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by YuriGagrin12 (talk • contribs) 01:38, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

YuriGagrin12, Howdy hello! We're glad to have you back! I see that you've been away for about 2 years, and ColinFines recommendations below are really only the main changes. Otherwise, Wikipedia is the same 'ol platform its always been, and is in constant need of good folks like yourself to help improve it. Captain Eek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 23:22, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

@CaptainEek Thank you! I came back because I notice a lot of people hostile to younger users because they sometimes vandalise pages, so I am slowly trying to reverse that stigma haha.

YuriGagrin12, Read Wikipedia:VisualEditor for instructions on how to enable the visual editor, always or as a choice, and for information on how it works. It does not require an editor to use or learn wiki-markup, and many think it easier to use. There are some things, however, which it still does not handle easily, although it is much improved over its first version, in my view. But if you are comfortable editing in wiki-markup, there is no requirement that you ever use the visual editor. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 02:01, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

YuriGagrin12: you can still use sandboxes, and there is still the presumption that other users will not normally edit in your sandbox unless you invite them to. But Draft space is preferred for working up articles. --ColinFine (talk) 17:56, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi all! Is it wrong for us to ask for an article to be reviewed? Diogo Silvado (talk) 10:53, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Are you talking about an article or about a draft? If you mean Draft:Aethel Partners it has already been submitted for review. As it says in the box on the draft: "Review waiting, please be patient. This may take 8 weeks or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 3,624 pending submissions waiting for review." --David Biddulph (talk) 11:04, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi! Thank for your answer. I know that but would it be 'unethical' to ask a reviewer for a review? I'm new at this and still didn't wrap all the rules and conventions. Diogo Silvado (talk) 11:43, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Diogo Silvado, I don't think the ethics of it has been nailed down yet, but many editors will refuse to review on request, yet some might do so. Making too many requests all around could be seen as disruptive though, if unwelcome. Usually, my observation is that, if an article is a clear pass or fail upon only a brief perusal, it's more likely to get reviewed on request, if it needs detailed investigation, it will almost certainly, always be declined (not the draft, the request to review). How your request is received might also depend on whether you are writing about something you are connected to, as opposed to solely to add to the sum of human knowledge. Usedtobecool ^TALK ✨ 12:12, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Diogo Silvado I'd agree with Usedtobecool above. As a reviewer I'm usually happy enough to take a look at draft articles on request if they are either a quick fail (which frankly most are) or an easy pass. One of the issues you may have with yours is that a number of the sources are not English and one is paywalled. None of that is against the rules or makes the sources invalid, but it does make it harder for many reviewers to conduct a quick review. There may be no way to avoid this - if these are the only sources you have, there's not much you can do except wait for someone who has the time, the language ability, and the WSJ subscription. However, if you want to increase the likelihood of a quick pass, you'd be better off with three or four high quality sources, in English, that are not paywalled. The other sources can then be added back in once the article is approved. Hug^syrup 12:21, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Half of your references are to an attempt by Athel to but a company, which in the end did not take place. This adds nothing to the notability of Athel, and should be deleted. Often, when people attempt an article about a company it is because they are in the employ or are otherwise compensated. Is that your situation? If so, you must comply with

@

WP:SHAREDACCOUNT. --CiaPan (talk

) 13:04, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi! Thank you for the answers.
When I say 'we' I'm refering to 'editors' in general as a group in which I'm included.
This company recently gain a mining permit near my village and I think people should have more info on them, I'm not being paid or anything.Diogo Silvado (talk) 13:53, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

And one more thing, just because you lack context doesn't mean an issue is not relevant, it may not be close to you but there's life beyond our perspective.Diogo Silvado (talk) 17:56, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

I am a PR representative of Brown Books Publishing Group in Dallas, Texas, and am trying to learn how to request a Wikipedia page to be created for one of our authors. I have tried to create the page myself, but it was rejected for coming off as too promotional, even though it simply contained facts about our author and did not explicitly advertise her book. Please advise on how this is possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Katcrol (talk • contribs) 18:02, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

The first thing you need to do is to make the mandatory declaration of

paid editing, and then read about conflict of interest. --David Biddulph (talk

) 18:09, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

and then. Katcrol, please see the second paragraph of my reply to #Kassa Overall Wikipedia Page abovebelow. --ColinFine (talk) 18:18, 15 November 2019 (UTC) Archived.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:15, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I am Kassa Overall. Musician born and raised in the USA. There is a wikipedia page on me but it is somehow based in Germany. I would like the page to be made English based . It is also extremely outdated, including an incorrect birthday. I was born October 9th.. 1982.

Here is more info that would be helpful for page accuracy:

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kassa Overall (talk • contribs) 14:13, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Courtesy link to de:WP: Kassa Overall.   Maproom (talk) 17:20, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

User:Kassa Overall Each language edition of Wikipedia is separate and independent. If someone at the German language edition (code DE) chose to write about Kassa Overall, they can do that, and it doesn't affect a possible article in the English-language edition (code EN). Note that policies and standards are not the same and it might well be that a topic would qualify on DE but not EN, or vice versa.

For there to be an article about a person on the EN Wikipedia, there must be multiple

autobiographies

is strongly discouraged, and articles are written by those volunteers who choose to tackle a topic.

Please understand that Wikipedia does not have "pages" in the sense that social media does, it has articles like any other encyclopedia reference work. And the subject of an article does not control the content. If there is unfavorable content included in a reliable source, the Wikipedia article may include that content, and it will not be removed on request.

Please note also that brief "press quotes" such as those above are of no use in writing a Wikipedia article. All sources must be

verifible

and so full bibliographic information (date, publication, title of article, and page number and author where available, or url if online) are needed so that the editor can read the entire source and judge what parts to use, and if it is usable at all, and so that the reader can check any sources used by the editor.

Please also understand that while I presume you are who you say you are, we would need a reliable source for such details as the birth date. Indeed we often do not include berth dates beyond the year for living people unless they have already been widely published, or published by the person him- or herself.

Since your user name is the same as the name of a well-known person (yourself) please email [email protected] with evidence of identity. This is a precaution against someone impersonating you or any other well-known person. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:31, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello,

notability

. (Note: I'm not saying that you do not meet these criteria: I have not looked. From the quotes you give above, it is quite possible that you do. I am simply putting that forward as one of the possible reasons). What I will observe is that the material that you have posted above is not appropriate for a Wikipedia article, and that the German article does not cite enough sources to establish notability to the extent that the English Wikipedia requires. (They are different projects, with different rules).

It's always a problem advising somebody who wants there to be an article about them. There is no reliable way to make it happen (because Wikipedia cares about Wikipedia's needs, not the wants of people who happen to be the subject of article s). You could post a request at requested articles, but in honesty, the take-up there is very poor. Writing an article about yourself is strongly discouraged. The best you can do, probably, is to interest somebody in writing an article about you, but there's no guarantee you will find anybody. (I do not recommend you pay somebody to do so: this does happen, but the paid editor is required to declare their status as a paid editor, their work will get very strictly reviewed, and they cannot guarantee any particular result, not even that any article will be accepted).

I know this is not what you want to hear; but it is a consequence of the fact that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a medium for promotion. --ColinFine (talk) 17:53, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi

I am thinking about creating a bio for my daughter, who has been in two Hollywood films and two TV series. I was reading the rules about notability and references, and I couldn't really understand what the threshold was.

She is referred to in 3 wikipedia pages, so I wanted to create a bio page for her, and link the three pages she is referred in to her bio page, so that people who read the pages can click on her name and find her bio.

She has three external references.

Any advice about how to go about this would be much appreciated.

Kind regards

B — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bravo 7719 (talk • contribs) 18:53, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Your First Article, where you can use the article wizard to get started. Captain Eek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓

19:24, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

hi. can you please link to one of the pages she's mentioned in here? Bill cage (talk) 19:21, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

If your proposed article can be accepted, there can be Wikilinks from those other mentions of her name to the article about her, but those links cannot be used as references. The critical issue is whether there are independently written published articles about her - at length, not just a name mention. Keep in mind that Wikipedia is 'articles,' not 'pages,' and that once an article is created, anyone can edit it. The creator has no control. David notMD (talk) 19:36, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi all, thank you for the advice, much appreciated. It's clear to me now the threshold, and that has been really helpful. thanks everyone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bravo 7719 (talk • contribs) 19:56, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

In the wake of the new Oprah's Book Club television series on Apple TV+, I've been having a lot of fun contributing to

• The original talk show segment on the
  Oprah Winfrey Show
  (1996–2011)
• An online-only version of the club which has has its own article since the day of its 2012 launch
• The aforementioned standalone streaming television series on Apple TV+ (the article for which I
  drafted
  )

My gut is that each of these iterations are notable enough for their own articles, and furthermore that Oprah's Book Club itself could become a fourth article describing the history, impact, and any future developments of the OBC franchise overall. See, for example, the article Star Trek, which now describes the overall franchise's history and lists its iterations (while the original series by the same name has become its own article). I proposed something similar for the OBC franchise earlier this week.

However I've been informed in response that four articles is overkill and that instead I should aim to consolidate into one.

This is where I'm confused and could use some guidance: what's the best next move here?

Seems to me it should either be one article or four—anywhere in between seems potentially confusing. You can already sense this in the Oprah's Book Club article as it stands today, switching frequently between past tense (to describe the now-defunct talk show segment) and present (to describe the Club's current iterations and impact on the book industry). And given the fact that by all reasonable definitions an Apple TV+ series is notable enough for its own article, I personally gravitate toward four.

I'm all for being bold but I'm a new editor and would like to know what the established precedence is in cases such as these. ~~~~Jacob Ford (talk) 18:25, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

The franchise should be described in the main article that goes with the original TV segments, so no, there doesn't need to be a (franchise) article. If you want to aggressively merge the 2.0 and TV series, that would be fine too. If the actual list of books gets too big, then List of Oprah's Book Club books can be created. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:56, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks again for your input, AngusWOOF. However I don't understand how merging OBC2.0 into the TV series article makes logical sense. Could you cite some precedence or show me a similar example in another established article? Someone looking for information on Oprah's Book Club 2.0 wouldn't logically expect to find it in Oprah's Book Club (TV series), as OBC2.0 was specifically non-televised and long preceded the TV series. That said I do like the idea of a unified List of Oprah's Book Club books and can get to work on that.

Hi all, I just completed a new article that I wrote from scratch. I believe that the page will be vandalised to some extent if it isn't semi-protected, but I can't seem to figure out how to change its protection status. I myself am "only" autoverified, i.e. I can edit semi-protected articles. For reference, the page is titled Massimo Pericolo. Thanks in advance for your help! Actualcpscm (talk) 20:08, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

@

WP:RFPP RudolfRed (talk

) 20:13, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Good to know, thank you! Actualcpscm (talk) 20:16, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Courtesy: Article is Massimo Pericolo. Created today, and only editor so far has been creator. David notMD (talk) 20:26, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello Editors: Can someone give feedback on my entry about flute player Jonathan McCollum? I hope it can be published. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luresblow (talk • contribs) 21:41, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Not as it stands at the moment, Luresblow, because it contains no references that are independent of McCollum: they're all published by organisations he is affiliated with. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject has said about themselves, or what their associates have said about them. It is only interested in what people unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish (at some length) about the subject. Until you can find and cite some examples of that (in reliable sources, the draft will not establish that he meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and it will not be accepted. --ColinFine (talk) 22:07, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Courtesy link:

Draft:Jonathan McCollum

Hello,

in some depth

.

Once you have found such sources, and cited them in the draft (see

articles for creation project. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs}

22:22, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Hallo, I created page "Annina Alexis Fedorkova" 5 months ago. But it was stopped, because the reasons, I dont understand. There are relevant sources in that article, she is real person. I dont know, what another sources are needed. Anyway, creating new pages is very copmlicated here. I would be forced to PAY to any person, who is able to make it. Sorry — Preceding unsigned comment added by Postajkovska.univerzita (talk • contribs) 22:13, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Postajkovska.univerzita. Yes creating pages is rather complicaed here, and there are a number of things to learn. I and several other regulars here, generally advise that new editors start by making small improvements to existing pages before trying nto create a new page. Many people do not follow this advice, however.

You created

WP:REFUND, or ask here or at my talk page

and I will restore it for you. (If you ask at refund, someone elae is likely to restore it.)

Please understand that to be accepted there must be several (usually at least 3) sources cited that are both

in some detail

(not a directory entry or a brief mention). Without such sources, the draft will not be approved.

I strongly urge you not to pay anyone to write an article. Such a paid editor must disclose that s/he is paid, and who made the payment, and such articles t3end to receive particularly strict scrutiny. And no paid editor can honestly promise that a successful article will result. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:42, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

I just don’t get how someone gets to upload an image to Wikipedia, I want to, please help me! — Preceding unsigned comment added by The person who should not be named (talk • contribs) 20:59, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello The person who should not be named and welcome to the Teahouse. See Wikipedia:Uploading images, Help:Introduction to images with Wiki Markup/1, and Help:Pictures for lots of detail. Pay attention to copyright status. Images which are in the public domain, or have bene r4elased under a free liceense, and most often uploaded to the Wikimedia commons (see https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard). Other images may be uplaoded to en.Wikipedia if they fit our policies, Feel free to ask more specific questions once you have read those pages or tried the upload wizard. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:54, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi my name is Amy, and I was wondering if you could please review the article I have been working on. I have made a decent amount of changes since last time and wanted feedback! There should not be anymore copied and pasted content. Let me know what else needs to be done! Thank you!

Draft:Continental Express, Inc.

Scotty B 11 (talk) 20:44, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

i'll review it for you! you'll just have to leave a link. you do that by adding [[ ]]. Bill cage (talk) 21:25, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

There you go! Thank you Bill cage Scotty B 11 (talk) 21:29, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

it's good. needs a little improvement in the copyright area, but still good. also, you don't need a guy's name to be treated fairly. make your username whatever you want it be. Bill cage (talk) 21:34, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! What copyright changes do you suggest be improved? I want it to be perfect for when I submit it to be reviewed! Thank you for the feedback Bill cage Scotty B 11 (talk) 21:53, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

@Scotty B 11: I made some changes to the article but it's still not likely to be approved. You need better sourcing, and less trivial info such as the construction of larger parking lots and expanded office space. I marked two sentences needing citations. The source you included says nothing about service to Canada or Mexico - that's why you don't want to use a primary source for any info. I removed everything but the fact that they offer service to the continental 48 states. You also want to use the company infobox, rather than creating a hard to update custom version that doesn't look right. See [[4]] Good luck! TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:23, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Moved from Wikipedia talk:Teahouse § My Sandbox

 – -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:45, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Please how can i name what i created in user:f5pillar/sandbox, and how to published it like other pages F5pillar (talk) 22:25, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi

Wikipedia article? If that's your question, then the answer is going to be no, at least at this time. For more information on why, please take a look at Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything. If you still have questions after reading that pages I linked to above (the words in blue), feel free to post them below and someone will try and help you out. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 01:18, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

That what am trying to ask, WIKI:ARTICLE. Alright thanks F5pillar (talk) 22:33, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi again

Wikipedia notable are deemed suitable to be written about. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 22:59, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Alright, i understand now. Thanks those are list of article i'll be working on F5pillar (talk) 23:44, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Can someone please help me write an article about myself? I am a composer, published ethnomusicologist, musician, and university professor in Los Angeles. The article is nearly complete, and links/references collected. So many projects are keeping me from learning how to do this correctly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sashiko*100 (talk • contribs) 23:53, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

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WP:AUTO. RudolfRed (talk

) 00:38, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Where do you go to report editors after them not stopping their Vandalism? Thanks.--The4lines (talk) 02:01, 16 November 2019 (UTC)The4lines

talk

) 02:10, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks!--The4lines (talk) 02:16, 16 November 2019 (UTC)The4lines

Hi I just wanted to ask if a page I want to create is likely to be accepted. I want to create an article about Liverpool F.C's 4-0 win over FC Barcelona last season as I believe it's a important and notable game in the history of both Liverpool and the Champions league history. as the biggest comeback in their European history for the former. and as the biggest semi-final comeback of all time for the latter. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 15:02, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

significant coverage in multiple [][WP:RS|reliable sources]][ on a continuing basis, that might make an article possible. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs}

17:07, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

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WP:NSPORTSEVENT. I'd also suggest raising the question at WT:WikiProject Football for more specific guidance from editors active in that area. My read is that it's pretty unusual for a single non-tourney-final match to be notable. There are lots of unusual events that occur in all sports (e.g. losing 6–5 after being up 5–0 going into the bottom of the 9th in baseball, losing by 10 after being up 30 in the 4th quarter in basketball, etc.) that are not worthy of an article. They may even have occasional mention in sources and continue to hold a "most extreme" record for years. They might be worth mention in the individual team articles and in an article about unusual events in that sport. —[AlanM1(talk

)]— 02:59, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I'm new here, I posted an article that got shot down for looking like an ad. Can I hire someone to help edit or re-write my article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HabanaJoe (talk • contribs) 01:48, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello,

our guideline on the notability of companies

.

There are people who will write Wikipedia articles for pay. I strongly advise you not to hire one. Many are scammers, who will take your money and do little or nothing for it. Even ones who try to be honest cannot guarantee an article sticking.

If the subject is in fact notable, all that is needed is to find independent, reliable sources with in-depth coverage and summarize what they say, avoiding any trace of marketing language. A paid editor must disclose who paid for the article, which doesn't look good. If they don't disclose and are caught, the editor is blocked and the article is apt to be viewed quite negativly by experienced editors. And they often are caught.

Also, do you own or are you8 affiliated with this company? if so, you yourself have a

conflict of interest. Please read that guideline. Wikipedia is not social media, and is not for promotion of anyone or anything. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs}

03:04, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

I have gone somewhere wrong with Template:Poznań with the formatting, can someone help please? Abcmaxx (talk) 15:37, 15 November 2019 (UTC) moved from talk page by Usedtobecool ^TALK ✨ 17:01, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

OK, I definitely did something, and that something could very well be the fixing of it; but knowing me as I do, I wouldn't bet your life on it. Usedtobecool ^TALK ✨ 19:32, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

@Abcmaxx: Shouldn't the sections under "Research organisations" be called "Active" and "Defunct" like the others above? Also, under "Administrative division", aren't the correct plurals Dzielnice and Osiedla? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 03:11, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

I'm overhauling an article about a K-12 school that is part of a network. As part of researching this, I went to the parent organization's webpage where they feature a list of all the schools in the network, and I clicked through to see how the schools compare. In doing so, I observed that the school I'm writing about is the only one in the network that's coeducational K-12. I wrote a sentence reflecting this in the first paragraph of the draft in my sandbox, and now I'm having misgivings that this is OR.

What say you? Ottoump (talk) 17:44, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Ottoump. In my view, it would be OK from the point of view of OR, because it can easily be verified by a reader looking at just that one source; but I'm not sure that I would regard it as encyclopaedic information. --ColinFine (talk) 18:15, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, ColinFine. I appreciate the OR guidance; I've already scrapped several sections that were more akin to analysis than secondary source collection and I'm trying to be careful. As to your point about encyclopedic information, the lead of the article I'm overhauling had a sentence that began, "It is one of very few coeducational schools [in the network]; most are all-female." Besides lacking documentation, I thought the phrasing was sloppy: How many are there? So I'm trying to preserve what pieces I can from the pre-overhaul article, but in a more accurate form. This is part of WikiProject:Schools. Ottoump (talk) 20:25, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

@Ottoump: To me, it seems like a pretty fundamental characteristic of a school, and being unusual for the group is worth mentioning. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 03:22, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Thank you, AlanM1.