Category talk:Arthurian legend
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Arthurian English and Scottish?
I propose that this category be removed from the English and Scottish folklore sections as A) They are not 'native' folklore of those countries, B) if English and Scottish why not French and Dutch, both countries of France and the Netherlands, have poems and tales set in the 'Arthurian' world, and in the case of France various locations have been associated with him. If it's the fact that many places now in England are associated with England then I should remind everyone that 'Beowulf' is set in Geatland, now in Sweden, but is not considered a Swedish poem.
I think the folkloric categories should be for folklore that is native to the region rather than attributed to the region (i.e. 'The Laidly Worm' being in English folklore but not in Scandinavian folklore just because the hero is said to be in Norway at the beginning of the story in many versions). Sigurd Dragon Slayer (talk) 20:21, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes, but wikipedians that edit articles related to England and Britain have a ridiculous pro-Celtic bias and thus want to make England as Celtic (or British) as possible. Scholars know that Arthurian tales are British tales that were adopted by Normans as a new way to insult the English (they thought tales about an old enemy of the English to be rather humorous when forced down the collective throat populace).
Yes, France, the Nederlands and even Germany have many, many tales about Arthur (infact, most of the famous Arthurian romances were written by French authors and Germany has him as the leader of the wild hunt). However, the Nederlanders are seen as Germanic whereas the English are not, despite the fact that the closest language to English, Frisian, is within the borders of the Nederlands and the Frisian have close genetical links (which seems to be the only thing most wikipedians care about; I don't) with England and also has a connection to the Celts as Britain does. Deutschland is seen as 'more Germanic' than England because of the English name for the country, despite the fact that the Halstatt culture and the Lá Tene are Celtic and within its borders and it has Celtic traditions aswell. The Germans are connected with Nazism and thus the British wikipedians don't want to be connected to them.
Like 'Holland' and 'Germany', the French are continental and thus the wikipedians that follow the stupid Britishist plague don't want to be connected to them. They want Britain to be all one culture and ethnicity when infact it is many. They want to be seen as special and different from the continent and thus support the much discreditted Sykes and Oppenheimer because they make it seem as if the British more 'indiginous' to Europe than most of the other Europeans. It is a form of nationalism; anti-Germanicism is a hidious byproduct of the otherwise acceptable anti-Nazism and the new age pro-Celtic rubbish (not that Celtic culture is rubbish but the new age take on it is) that has grown in popularity.
Due to all these reasons these wikipedians are not content with listing Athurian myths as Welsh and Cornish like most academics but instead want to force it into the English folklore section.
I have no idea why people want King Arthur to be part of the folkloric tradition of Scotland, either, as it (like England) doesn't have much to do with the Arthurian tradition.
I am all for either Arthurian myths being put into the Nederlandic, German and French categories or being taken from the English and Scottish categories and left in the Welsh and Cornish categories. - Mr Roland Spounge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.51.113 (talk) 22:49, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
- Arthur and the Arthurian legend do relate to English and Scottish folklore, meaning that modern (or past) English and Scottish people incorporated them into their own folklore. The clearest example is in the folklore of places, I believe I mentioned Glastonbury and the many places called Arthur's Seat or Arthur's Cave that are present throughout Britain - these places are important folkloric items to the modern English and Scottish people. In contrast Beowulf and the Laidly Worm are not important to the Scandinavians, but only to the English. This is the reason the categories are appropriate.--Cúchullain t/c 23:04, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
- Agreed. English culture hasn't been exclusively Anglo-Saxon for oh, quite a while now. —* 00:07, 26 January 2008 (UTC)]
- Agreed. English culture hasn't been exclusively Anglo-Saxon for oh, quite a while now. —
So if what you say is true, it then also be put into Dutch, French and German, folklore categories? They incorporated the Arthurian mythos into their own, also. And Beowulf is somewhat important to the Scandinavians, firstly there are places associated with him (associated by the English but then again the English and Scots did not associate Arthur with the locations in their respective countries, but some Welsh poets) and there is a debate in Scandinavia to where Beowulf is from (Gotland or Geatland) and many think he is from a Scandinavian story. And obviously the English have not been exclusively 'Anglo-Saxon' as that was a period not the culture (they called themselves English...well Engla, Englisc...etc...).
Why not just put it in the British Folklore if it is in the folklore of all the nations in Britain rather than repeat it in all the subcategories?
If it is decided then that it shall have to stay in categories it (in my opinion) shouldn't belong, then I shall go about the tedious task of placing it in all the countries with Arthurian tales (as it should be in them by the definition used here). Sigurd Dragon Slayer (talk)
- Firstly, there is a difference between literary and folklore traditions. Dutch, French, German, etc. use of the Arthurian legend has always been primarily literary, they have not incorporated it into their folklore extensively. England and Scotland have a strong literature of Arthur, but they've also incorporated the legend into their folklore, one instance being the place lore I mentioned (and no, Glastonbury and the Arthur's caves have nothing to do with Welsh poets). As for Beowulf, I don't know nearly as much about that, but my understanding was that he was not very important to the Scandanavians, if he were obviously this would be a poor example. And as for just placing it in the generic category WP:CAT. I don't mind it being in the national category on top of the subcats, but it should be in all the appropriate subcats if it's in any of them.--Cúchullain t/c 19:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)]
Yes, but Arthurian 'folklore' is predominately a literary tradition at least in England and Scotland. You are correct that the legends that surround Glastonbury Tor have nothing to do with Welsh poets (other than the fact Arthur started predominately as a character in Welsh/Brythonic poetry, I presume..see Aneirin, Nennius and Geoffrey of Monmouth) it is mainly the work of a French poet named Robert de Boron (unless you are in the minority that believe monks 'found' Arthur's grave before his writings). As for 'Arthur's Caves' I take you mean caves like Merlin's Cave at Tintagel (which would make it Cornish not English as they are generally accepted as separate strands though they do share many motifs via borrowings into Cornish and vice versa). Besides the French and Dutch have some folktales associated with the Arthurian mythos, for instance Paimpont forest has a local legend concerning Merlin and the Lady of the Lake. The majority of Arthurian folklore is literary and not true folklore, so if we are going to be picky and separate folklore and literature then we should remove much of the pages in the Arthurian category and only place genuine folk tales (of which there are few). I do agree that the Arthurian Mythos is part of English and Scottish literature but not genuine folklore. at least not anymore than it is French. Sigurd Dragon Slayer (talk) 19:34, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
- It's not a matter of being picky, it's a matter of being accurate. There is a difference between literature and folklore. England and Scotland have a strong literary tradition of Arthur, but they also have incorporated Arthurian lore into their own genuine folklore, to a much greater extent than on the continent, where the Arthurian legend was primarily a literary concern. I don't know where you get the idea that this is not the case. By Arthur's Caves, I mean the folk belief that certain caves around Britain are where Arthur sleeps until his return. I quote The New Arthurian Encyclopedia, under "Cave Legend":"But a folk belief... took hold among the Welsh and in parts of England and Scotland: that [Arthur] was asleep in a cave until his messianic return". The "Folklore" entry in that same encyclopedia discusses many folk beliefs about Arthur from Wales, England, Scotland, and Brittany, but virtually nothing about such beliefs in other European nations. Some of your other assertions are wrong, for instance Nennius and Geoffrey of Monmouth did not compose "Welsh/Brythonic" poetry, but Latin prose, and say nothing about Glastonbury. Also remember that Cornwall is in England, and that Brittany, where Paimpont is, is now represented here with a folklore category.
- The folklore categories that are here are appropriate. It's time to let this go.--Cúchullain t/c 23:11, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't matter whether Nennius or Geoffrey of Monmouth wrote in Latin or Welsh. He is Welsh. I did not specify which language they wrote in as it does not matter (in this regard). Just as Bede was English and yet wrote in Latin, Nennius and Geoffrey of Monmouth were Welsh (or Brythonic). Let's not skirt around the issue that on the continent they also have 'folktales' featuring Arthur. Maybe you do not think it is quite as much as in England and Scotland (fair enough) but he still features. But I am bored with this subject now. Wikipedia is not renowned for it's common sense so it does not really matter in the long run. Sigurd Dragon Slayer (talk) 09:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
- There's no need to get testy, we're all civilized people here. But note that I referred you to an encyclopedia that refers to English and Scottish folklore about Arthur but does not mention any on the continent save for Brittany. If you have any similar evidence to back up your notion that countries on the continent have equally strong folklore traditions as the Brits, bring it up. Otherwise it's just assumption.--Cúchullain t/c 21:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
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Matter of Britain | Start |
King Arthur in various media | not yet classified |
2597 Arthur | Stub |
2598 Merlin | Stub |
Accolon | Stub |
Addanc | Stub |
Aglovale | not yet classified |
Agravain | not yet classified |
Agrestes | not yet classified |
Ambrosius Aurelianus | not yet classified |
Amhar | not yet classified |
Aneirin | Start |
Annales Cambriae | not yet classified |
Annwn | not yet classified |
King Arthur | A |
Arthur stone | not yet classified |
Arthur's Seat, Edinburgh | not yet classified |
Artorius | Stub |
Lucius Artorius Castus | Start |
Geoffrey Ashe | Stub |
Astolat | not yet classified |
Athrwys ap Meurig | Stub |
Avalon | not yet classified |
Sir Balan | not yet classified |
Sir Balin | not yet classified |
King Ban | Stub |
Battle of Bedegraine | not yet classified |
Battle of Camlann | Start |
Battle of Mons Badonicus | B |
Bedivere | not yet classified |
Black Book of Carmarthen | Stub |
Black Knight (Arthurian legend) | not yet classified |
Black Knight (Marvel Comics) | B |
Blanchefleur | Stub |
Blancheflor | Stub |
Bodmin Moor | not yet classified |
The Book of King Arthur and His Noble Knights of the Round Table | not yet classified |
Book of Taliesin | Stub |
Bors | not yet classified |
The Boy and the Mantle | Stub |
Bran the Blessed | not yet classified |
Brangaine | not yet classified |
Bretonnia | not yet classified |
Sir Breunor | not yet classified |
Cadair Idris | B |
Cadbury Castle, Somerset | not yet classified |
Cadoc | Start |
Cador | Stub |
Caelia | Stub |
Caerleon | not yet classified |
Calogrenant | not yet classified |
Camelot | not yet classified |
Canoel | Stub |
Caradoc | not yet classified |
Carmarthen | not yet classified |
Castle an Dinas, St. Columb Major | Stub |
Cat Coit Celidon | Stub |
Cath Palug | Stub |
Celliwig | not yet classified |
Cerdic of Wessex | not yet classified |
Clarent | Stub |
Claudas | not yet classified |
Constans II (usurper) | Start |
Constantine III (usurper) | B |
Constantine III of Britain | not yet classified |
Corbenic | not yet classified |
Legendary Dukes of Cornwall | Stub |
Culhwch | not yet classified |
Cynric of Wessex | Stub |
Dagonet | Stub |
Daniel von Blumenthal | not yet classified |
Dinadan | Stub |
Dinas Emrys | not yet classified |
Dindrane | not yet classified |
Dolorous Stroke | not yet classified |
Dozmary Pool | Stub |
Dubricius | Stub |
Sir Ector | not yet classified |
Elaine (legend) | not yet classified |
Elaine of Astolat | not yet classified |
Eliwlod | Stub |
Elphin | not yet classified |
Elyan the White | not yet classified |
Enide | not yet classified |
Erec | Stub |
Esclabor | Stub |
Esclados | Stub |
Evaine | Stub |
Excalibur | not yet classified |
Faerie Knight | Stub |
Feirefiz | not yet classified |
Felec of Cornwall | Stub |
Fisher King | not yet classified |
Gabhran | not yet classified |
Gaheris | not yet classified |
Galahad | not yet classified |
Galligantus | not yet classified |
Garel von Blumenthal | not yet classified |
Gareth | not yet classified |
Gawain | B |
Geraint | Start |
Gildas | Start |
Gingalain | not yet classified |
Glastonbury | not yet classified |
Glastonbury Abbey | Start |
Glastonbury Tor | not yet classified |
Goleuddydd | not yet classified |
Gorlois | not yet classified |
Gornemant | Stub |
Griflet | Stub |
Gringolet | Stub |
Guinevere | not yet classified |
Gwenhwyfach | not yet classified |
Hallow | Start |
Hawkstone Grail | not yet classified |
Hector de Maris | Stub |
Hengest | Start |
Historia Britonum | not yet classified |
Historical basis for King Arthur | not yet classified |
Hoel | Start |
Holy Grail | B |
Horsa | Stub |
Igraine | not yet classified |
Illtud | Start |
Iseult | not yet classified |
Joseph of Arimathea | B |
Josephus of Arimathea | not yet classified |
Kahedin | not yet classified |
Sir Kay | Stub |
Saint Kea | Stub |
Kilydd | not yet classified |
Knights of Pendragon | Stub |
Knights of the Round Table | not yet classified |
Kyot | not yet classified |
The Lady of Shalott | not yet classified |
Lady of the Lake | Start |
Lailoken | Stub |
Lamorak | Stub |
Lancelot | Start |
Laudine | not yet classified |
Leodegrance | Stub |
Sir Lionel | not yet classified |
List of Arthurian characters | not yet classified |
List of legendary kings of Britain | not yet classified |
Listeneise | Stub |
Battle of Llongborth | not yet classified |
Loathly lady | not yet classified |
Logres | Stub |
Lohengrin | not yet classified |
Roger Sherman Loomis | not yet classified |
King Lot | not yet classified |
Sir Lucan | not yet classified |
Lucius Tiberius | Stub |
Lunete | not yet classified |
Lynet | not yet classified |
Lynette and Lyonesse | not yet classified |
Lyonesse | not yet classified |
Lyonesse (person) | not yet classified |
Mabinogion | not yet classified |
Magnus Maximus | Start |
Maleagant | not yet classified |
Walter Map | not yet classified |
Mark of Cornwall | not yet classified |
Jean Markale | not yet classified |
Meirchion | Stub |
Meliodas | Stub |
Merlin | B |
Merlin's Oak | not yet classified |
Madam Mim | Stub |
Mordred | not yet classified |
Morfran | not yet classified |
Morgaine le Fey (DC Comics) | not yet classified |
Morgan le Fay | B |
Morgause | not yet classified |
Morholt | not yet classified |
Morvydd | not yet classified |
Mount Killaraus | not yet classified |
Saint Mungo | Start |
Myrddin Wyllt | not yet classified |
Nennius | not yet classified |
Olwen | not yet classified |
Orgeluse | not yet classified |
Owain Ddantgwyn | not yet classified |
Owain mab Urien | not yet classified |
Paimpont forest | not yet classified |
Palamedes (Arthurian legend) | not yet classified |
Pellam | not yet classified |
Pelleas | not yet classified |
Pelles | not yet classified |
Pellinore | not yet classified |
Pendragon | not yet classified |
Percival | not yet classified |
List of films based on Arthurian legend | not yet classified |
The Adventures of Sir Lancelot | not yet classified |
Arthur of the Britons | not yet classified |
Arthur! and the Square Knights of the Round Table | Stub |
Battlefield (Doctor Who) | not yet classified |
Camelot (film) | Start |
A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court | Start |
A Connecticut Yankee | not yet classified |
Excalibur (film) | B |
First Knight | Start |
The Fisher King (film) | Start |
The Gathering (film) | Start |
Kaamelott | not yet classified |
A Kid in King Arthur's Court | Start |
King Arthur (film) | B |
King Arthur and the Knights of Justice | not yet classified |
King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table (anime) | Stub |
King Arthur: Prince on White Horse | Stub |
Knightriders | Start |
Knights of the Round Table (film) | Start |
Lancelot and Guinevere | Start |
Lancelot du Lac (film) | Stub |
A Late Delivery from Avalon | not yet classified |
The Legend of Prince Valiant | Stub |
Merlin (film) | Start |
Merlin's Apprentice | not yet classified |
Monty Python and the Holy Grail | B |
Pardes (film) | Start |
Perceval le Gallois | Stub |
Pound Puppies and the Legend of Big Paw | A |
Princess Gwenevere and the Jewel Riders | not yet classified |
Quest for Camelot | Start |
Quest for King Arthur | not yet classified |
The Sword in the Stone (film) | Start |
Sword of the Valiant: The Legend of Sir Gawain and the Green Knight | Start |
Tristan & Isolde (film) | Start |
Arthur: The Quest for Excalibur | Start |
Chronicles of the Sword | Stub |
Conquests of Camelot: The Search for the Grail | Start |
Dark Age of Camelot | B |
Excalibur (computer game) | Stub |
Galahad and the Holy Grail | Stub |
Grailquest | not yet classified |
King Arthur (video game) | Stub |
King Arthur's World | Start |
Knights of the Round (video game) | Stub |
Legend of Galahad | Stub |
Pendragon (role-playing game) | not yet classified |
Shadows Over Camelot | not yet classified |
Spirit of Excalibur | Start |
Vengeance of Excalibur | Start |
Young Merlin | Stub |
List of books about King Arthur | not yet classified |
The Acts of King Arthur and His Noble Knights | not yet classified |
Alliterative Morte Arthure | not yet classified |
Amadis de Gaula | Start |
Antiocheis (Joseph of Exeter) | not yet classified |
Avalon High | Stub |
Avalon Series | not yet classified |
Béroul | Stub |
Bewnans Ke | Stub |
The Birth of Merlin | Start |
The Book of Merlyn | Stub |
Marion Zimmer Bradley | Start |
Gillian Bradshaw | not yet classified |
Brut (Layamon) | Stub |
Brut y Tywysogion | Stub |
C. Scott Littleton | not yet classified |
Camelot 3000 | Stub |
Thomas Chestre | Stub |
Chrétien de Troyes | not yet classified |
Cligès | not yet classified |
Corpus Christi Carol | not yet classified |
The Crystal Cave | Stub |
Culhwch and Olwen | not yet classified |
Diu Crône | not yet classified |
The Dream of Rhonabwy | not yet classified |
The Eagle (novel) | Stub |
Eilhart von Oberge | Start |
Erec and Enide | not yet classified |
Excalibur (novel) | Stub |
The Faerie Queene | Stub |
The Fionavar Tapestry | Start |
The Forest House | B |
Hal Foster | not yet classified |
From Ritual to Romance | not yet classified |
Geoffrey of Monmouth | Start |
Geraint and Enid | not yet classified |
Gerbert de Montreuil | Stub |
A Glastonbury Romance | Start |
Godefroi de Leigni | not yet classified |
Gottfried von Straßburg | not yet classified |
Guenevere, Queen of the Summer Country | Start |
Lady Charlotte Guest | Start |
Hartmann von Aue | not yet classified |
Historia Regum Britanniae | not yet classified |
The Hollow Hills | Stub |
Huchoun | Start |
Idylls of the King | not yet classified |
The Ill-Made Knight | Stub |
Jaufré | Stub |
Debra A. Kemp | not yet classified |
The Knight of the Sacred Lake | Stub |
Knight of the Swan | not yet classified |
Lady of Avalon | Stub |
The Lais of Marie de France | Stub |
Lancelot, the Knight of the Cart | not yet classified |
Lancelot-Grail | not yet classified |
The Lantern Bearers (Sutcliff novel) | Stub |
Lanval | not yet classified |
Lanzelet | not yet classified |
The Last Enchantment | Stub |
Sanders Anne Laubenthal | Stub |
Layamon | Start |
Libeaus Desconus | not yet classified |
Linda A. Malcor | not yet classified |
Lost Years of Merlin series | Stub |
The Lost Years of Merlin | Stub |
Thomas Malory | not yet classified |
Marie de France | not yet classified |
The Marriage of Sir Gawain | Stub |
The Mists of Avalon | Start |
Morien | not yet classified |
Le Morte d'Arthur | not yet classified |
The Once and Future King | Start |
Owain, or the Lady of the Fountain | Stub |
Parzival | not yet classified |
Diana L. Paxson | Stub |
Pendragon (fiction series) | not yet classified |
Pendragon Cycle | Start |
Perceforest | not yet classified |
Perceval, the Story of the Grail | not yet classified |
Peredur son of Efrawg | not yet classified |
Perlesvaus | not yet classified |
Post-Vulgate Cycle | not yet classified |
Preiddeu Annwfn | not yet classified |
Prince Valiant | not yet classified |
Prose Tristan | not yet classified |
The Return of Merlin | not yet classified |
Robert de Boron | not yet classified |
Roman de Brut | Stub |
Roman de Fergus | B |
Roman van Ferguut | Stub |
Romance of Palamedes | not yet classified |
Rustichello da Pisa | not yet classified |
The Singing Sword | Stub |
Sir Gawain and the Green Knight | not yet classified |
Sir Launfal | not yet classified |
Mary Stewart | Stub |
Stricker | Stub |
Rosemary Sutcliff | not yet classified |
Sword at Sunset | Stub |
The Sword in the Stone | Stub |
Taliesin | not yet classified |
That Hideous Strength | Start |
The Dark is Rising Sequence | not yet classified |
The Greene Knight | Stub |
Thomas of Britain | Stub |
Tristan and Iseult | not yet classified |
Tristrant | not yet classified |
Ulrich von Türheim | not yet classified |
Ulrich von Zatzikhoven | not yet classified |
Jacob van Maerlant | not yet classified |
Wace | Stub |
The Warlord Chronicles | Stub |
Kenneth G. T. Webster | not yet classified |
The Wedding of Sir Gawain and Dame Ragnelle | not yet classified |
Welsh Romances | Stub |
T. H. White | not yet classified |
The Wicked Day | Stub |
Wolfram von Eschenbach | Start |
Yvain, the Knight of the Lion | not yet classified |
Camelot (musical) | not yet classified |
Gawain (opera) | not yet classified |
King Arthur (opera) | not yet classified |
Lohengrin (opera) | not yet classified |
The Misfortunes of Arthur | not yet classified |
Parsifal | A |
Tom Thumb | not yet classified |
Tristan und Isolde | not yet classified |
Albanactus | not yet classified |
Allectus | B |
Andragius | Stub |
Archgallo | Start |
Archmail | Stub |
Arvirargus | not yet classified |
Asclepiodotus | B |
Aurelius Conanus | Stub |
Beldgabred | Stub |
Belinus | Start |
Bladud | Start |
Bledudo | Stub |
Brennius | not yet classified |
Brutus Greenshield | Stub |
Brutus of Troy | not yet classified |
Calchfynedd | Stub |
Cap of Britain | Stub |
Capoir | Stub |
Caradocus | Stub |
Carausius | Start |
Cassivellaunus | not yet classified |
Catellus | Stub |
Ceredig | Stub |
Cherin | Stub |
Cledaucus | Stub |
Clotenus | Stub |
Coilus | Stub |
Old King Cole | not yet classified |
Constantius Chlorus | B |
Queen Cordelia | Start |
Corineus | Stub |
Crocea Mors | Stub |
Cunedagius | Stub |
Cunedda | not yet classified |
Cunobelinus | B |
Danius | Stub |
Digueillus | Stub |
Dionotus | Stub |
Dunvallo Molmutius | Start |
Ebraucus | Stub |
Edadus | Stub |
Einion Yrth ap Cunedda | Stub |
Eldol | Stub |
Elidurus | Start |
Eliud | Stub |
Enniaunus | Stub |
Ferrex | not yet classified |
Fulgenius | Stub |
Gerennus | Stub |
Publius Septimius Geta | Start |
Goídel Glas | not yet classified |
Gorboduc | Stub |
Gorbonianus | Stub |
Gracianus Municeps | not yet classified |
Gratian (usurper) | not yet classified |
Guiderius | not yet classified |
Guithelin | Stub |
Gurgintius | Stub |
Gurguit Barbtruc | Stub |
Gurgustius | Stub |
Queen Gwendolen | Start |
Heli, King of Britain | Stub |
Idvallo | Stub |
Ingenius (British king) | Stub |
Jago | not yet classified |
Jago of Britain | Stub |
Kamber | not yet classified |
Keredic | not yet classified |
Kimarcus | Stub |
Kinarius | Stub |
Leil | Stub |
Leir of Britain | Start |
Llyr Llediaith | Stub |
Locrinus | Stub |
Lucius of Britain | Stub |
Lud son of Heli | not yet classified |
Maddan | Stub |
Malgo | Stub |
Mandubracius | B |
Queen Marcia | Stub |
Marganus | not yet classified |
Marganus II | Stub |
Marius of Britain | not yet classified |
Mempricius | Stub |
Merianus | Stub |
Millus | Stub |
Molmutine Laws | not yet classified |
Morvidus | Start |
Nennius of Britain | Stub |
Octavius | not yet classified |
Oenus | Stub |
Peredurus | Stub |
Pir of the Britons | Stub |
Porrex I | not yet classified |
Porrex II | Stub |
Redechius | Stub |
Redon (king) | Stub |
Rivallo | Stub |
Idwal Roebuck | Stub |
Roman departure from Britain | not yet classified |
Rud Hud Hudibras | Stub |
Runo | Stub |
Sisillius | not yet classified |
Sisillius I | Stub |
Sisillius II | Stub |
Sisillius III | Stub |
Son of Gorbonianus | Stub |
Sons of Mordred | not yet classified |
Sub-Roman Britain | not yet classified |
Tasciovanus | not yet classified |
Trahern | not yet classified |
Trinovantum | not yet classified |
Urianus | Stub |
Uther Pendragon | not yet classified |
Venissa | not yet classified |
Vortigern | not yet classified |
Vortimer | not yet classified |
Vortiporius | Stub |
Welsh Triads | not yet classified |
The Da Vinci Code | B |
The Da Vinci Code (film) | Stub |
Grail (Babylon 5) | not yet classified |
Grail (DC Comics) | Stub |
Grail Movement | not yet classified |
The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail | not yet classified |
Holy Chalice | not yet classified |
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade | B |
Masonic Manuscripts | B |
Nanteos Cup | not yet classified |
The Silver Chalice | Start |
Wasteland (mythology) | not yet classified |
Sir Robin | not yet classified |
Safir | not yet classified |
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The Island of the Mighty | Stub |
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Prince of Annwn | Stub |
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Red Book of Hergest | not yet classified |
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Legio VII Claudia | Stub |
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Category overkill
I agree entirely with the assessment by User:Cuchullain above, dated 1 February 2008. Four years later, nothing has improved. The number of categories "Arthurian legend" is supposed to belong to is simply ridiculous.
[[Category:Anglo-Norman folklore]] [[Category:Anglo-Norman literature]] [[Category:Breton mythology and folklore]] [[Category:British folklore]] [[Category:British literature]] [[Category:British traditional history]] [[Category:Celtic Britain]] [[Category:Celtic mythology]] [[Category:Cornish culture]] [[Category:Cornish folklore]] [[Category:English folklore]] [[Category:English literature]] [[Category:French folklore]] [[Category:Middle English literature]] [[Category:Mythological kings]] [[Category:Scottish folklore]] [[Category:Sub-Roman Britain]] [[Category:Welsh folklore]] [[Category:Welsh mythology]] [[Category:England in fiction]] [[Category:Scotland in fiction]] [[Category:Wales in fiction]]
It would suffice to put it in "British traditional history". This is exactly what it is, but no, it must also be made explicit that this is, among other things, not just a topic of Cornish folklore, no, but also of Cornish culture, and not just of Welsh flolklore and of Welsh mythology, but also of Wales in fiction. And let's not forget Scotland in fiction, I don't know where that comes in, but in 300 years of chivalric romances, I am sure some character at some points sets foot in Scotland, so there you are, put it in the category (never mind that historically, there wasn't even a "Scotland" in the Arthurian period any more than there was an "England", these tales being set before the migration of either the Anglo-Saxons or the Gaels to Great Britain).
If all topics on Wikipedia would be treated as redundantly as this, our categorization system would break down completely into an unusable mess. --