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1) This article is very up to date (2012) explaining how the current secretary of state Hillary Clinton was not able to change China’s mind on the issue of territorial disputes in the South China Sea. China claims that it has historical evidence to prove that the islands and waters inside its "U" shaped policy are theirs. Furthermore, China has recently blocked the Scarborough Shoal entrance and is constantly under patrol of the area. Not only that, but China has also placed a military garrison on the Parcel islands angering the Vietnamese who are claiming the parcel islands as Vietnamese territory. In addition China has openly stated that the U.S should not get involved and even though it is up to interpretation, it might be a warning from China to the U.S (military wise). Most of the things I have mentioned are not present in the Wikipedia article and I believe they would be great assets for it being that they are current events and it adds the point of view of the US in the issue of disputed territories in the South China Sea.

Perlez,S. (2012, September 6). No Movement on Major Disputes as Clinton Meets With Chinese Leaders. The New York TimesSection A; Column 0; Foreign Desk; Pg. 10

2) This second article starts by saying that ASEAN could not make amends with the Chinese, over the territories that China claims as “theirs” in the South China Sea. It also names how China has problems with Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei. This would add a little more detail to the article since it mentions some of the problems with the countries mentioned above. In addition this article shows ASEAN’s point of view which is currently insisting in peaceful negotiations with China but the countries leader only wants to negotiate with the individual countries one on one where it clearly has an advantage over them. Finally, in the last paragraphs of the article the author mentions the influence China is having on the decisions taken by ASEAN as a whole.China has created a division between the countries that are part of the organization by making them choose sides between those influenced by the US and the ones that are dependent of China either by trade or some other economic relation. All these could potentially add emphasis to the troubles China is having with other countries.

Manthorpe, J. (2012, July 23) ASEAN patches up rift over territorial disputes with Beijing. The Vancouver Sun(British Columbia)P. C3

3) This third article points out that Japan has offered to buy the Senkaku Islands (Diaoyutai) from the individual private owners for a total of 26 million dollars. These islands as you already know are also claimed by China so this action by Japan has angered the Chinese who are questioning Japans motives. The article mentions that it is speculated these islands have some sort of natural resource that would definitely benefit either country and also goes on to explain some of the history of these islands and why China and Japan are going at it for them. In addition, the article also shows a little insight as to where the US stands in the issue and how China is dealing with not only Japan in this issue but also the countries that form part of the ASEAN organization as well. I believe the things mentioned in this article are worth taking a look at and should be placed in this article because, again, it would give good information on events going on in that part of the world.

Popham, P. (2012, September 6) THE ISLANDS THAT DIVIDE SUPERPOWERS; Japan's purchase of these uninhabited, barren rocks, has enraged China and the US. Why? Peter Popham reports on a battle for influence - and oil. The Independent(London)P. 34

--CMAcadet2E (talk) 21:11, 3 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Added lots of stuff. In doing so I realized how totally unenlightening and unuseful the information from the CIA factbook is.

--User:Roadrunner

I moved foreign relations of China to foreign relations of the People's Republic of China to (1) better reflect the content of the article (2) conform to Wikipedia's NPOV policy (3) be consistent with

I dont agree with the move. We would have to purge

Foreign_relations_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China#Imperial_China from the article. Perhaps write an overview article detailing the entire history from whenever? Until that is done, I don't think this should be moved. --Jiang

22:27, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It should be at Foreign relations of China where each era would have a summary. The material we have so far is very general and not worth its own article. --Jiang 00:55, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Chapter 12 of the LOC Country study has not been incorported yet. --Jiang 03:39, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Again, I think it's premature to be turning foreign relations of China into a disambiguation page. Major changes like this should at least receive warning and concensus on the talk page. Foreign relations of China should be orphaned if we are to keep the current setup. If Foreign relations of imperial China doesnt improve significantly I will merge it into [Foreign relations of China] as part of an overview. --Jiang 19:36, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I don't understand what you mean by the word "orphaned". Clarification?

I copied

—Lowellian (talk)[[]] 04:17, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC)

The press says the PRC and Vatican broke diplomatic relations in 1951. ([1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]) When did they established diplomatic relations? The

Are you confusing the ROC and the PRC? The

People's Republic of China

is the ruling government on the Chinese mainland which is widely recognized as the official government of the political entity "China" (and holds the U.N. security council seat). The PRC is almost always what is meant by "China", because the ROC's claim is basically technical. In order to establish diplomatic relations, the PRC has long demanded that countries first recognize China as unified - thereby denouncing the ROC's claim.

For what it's worth, my unsourced, personal knowledge says that the Vatican broke relations with the then-Communist, then-atheist PRC around 1950 or so, while relations with the ROC are ongoing and have been good (because the ROC needs recognition badly). I understand the new Pope Benedict XVI has offered to mend relations with the PRC (see [7]). This is unlikely to happen unless the Vatican modifies its stance towards the ROC.

--Vector4F 06:33, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't be listed here, as it is self-governing and makes its own foreign policy (regardless if people think that is legal or not). Removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kransky (talk • contribs) 13:49, October 22, 2006

The graphic showing the decades of establishment of diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China is inaccurate. The UK estabilshed relations with China in the 1950s, not the 1970s as shown in the image. --PalaceGuard008 05:13, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The section on Relations by region and country has nothing on the PRC's involvment in Oceania (see

This reversion was apparently caused by a misunderstanding of my initial edit. The third paragraph as it is (and was before my edit) is some assertion about the "completeness of sovereignty" that implies that PRC will not recognize any government that recognizes ROC, Tibet government in exile, or east turkestan independence group. In my edit summary I stated—maybe not in the clearest language because of character limit contraints—that there already were citations for PRC not recognizing any state that recognized ROC in the article. I was doubting the fact that the PRC does the same for any government that holds official diplomatic relations with tibet or turkestan groups, because there were no citations and because I know that no state has done that, so it would be strange for that to be prominent in foreign policy.

So I integrated the Taiwan claim into the second paragraph, seeing as without Tibet and Turkestan, it wasn't long enough to merit a paragraph of its own. Since the new citations given only mention Taiwan, I feel I can safely remove Tibet and Turkestan for a lack of citation and credibility. Because I do not know the position of the reverting editor on whether or not PRC's nonrecognition of ROC recognizing states deserves its own lead paragraph, I will not touch that. But I do want to hear why the editor feels that the single sentence bit should have its own paragraph in the lead article, especially when it does not reflect such a prominent place for the current PRC/ROC dispute in the article's main text.

Hi Splittist, thanks for the clarification. I only caught the tail-end of that history as well via my watchlist. Like you, I haven't heard anything about third party states recognising Tibetan sovereignty and winding up in that situation. I did see on CCTV where the Chinese government mentioned being open to holding discussions about granting Tibet the status of "special administrative region-SAR" (similar to Hong Kong and Macau) but, I haven't heard anything either about Tibet or Tukestan for that matter. I had thought your edit was a quick clean-up, hence I was quickly supplying some references to augment what appeared to be in the article prior. Just to clarify my position, I have no problems with the movement of that minor bloc of text and integrating it elsewhere in the article (even if that be outside of the introduction). :-) Thanks again for clarifying. I don't know if anybody else has an objection? CaribDigita (talk) 17:59, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So guys i guess the dispute is resolved, is it not ? Samuel325 (talk) 10:59, 22 may 2012

What is the distinction between IDP and migrant workers in China?

Also what percentage of IDP are due to acts of nature rather than man?

Additional: Do persons who used to live in one part of the PRC and have been forced to move to another part of the same country really have anything to do with foreign relations? Hcobb (talk) 16:39, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1: Choice (though this is debatable). 3: No. I have removed it.

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China Engages Latin America: Tracing the Trajectory by Adrian Hearn, Jose Luis Leon-Manriquez, Reviewed by By Richard Feinberg Foreign Affairs November/December 2011 99.19.44.155 (talk) 14:11, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Very sad to see.The move should have been prohibited as violating NPOV.--L.E./12.144.5.2 (talk) 22:25, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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• From Foreign relations of Nauru: Pacific nation Nauru on brink of collapse The Age, 18 April 2004

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• From China–United Kingdom relations: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-11/10/content_11531000.htm
• From Sino-Pacific relations: "China offers aid package to Pacific Islands", China Daily, April 5, 2006

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• From Russia: Popova, Nadia (14 December 2010). "Russian Billionaire Ventures Into Hybrid Cars". The Wall Street Journal. Retrieved 14 December 2010.
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I was going to add some stuff on the foreign relations of China during WWII from a book I've reading, specifically regarding FDR, India, and a few other topics. This article is only about foreign relations since establishment of the PRC. The only other article I find deals only with Taiwan in its guise as the "Republic of China." I've read the comments on this page regarding reorganization of this article, BUT: Is there no article for China's 20th century foreign relations before 1949? If there is, it really needs to be referenced somewhere on this page. --Michael K Smith^Talk 17:08, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The listing on this article and the one at Foreign relations of Taiwan, stating which countries recognise which China, are different, and both lack sources. The only reason why I'm mentioning this is because the information has been added to the UN-related articles for the Holy See, Marshall Islands, Trinidad and Tobago, Tuvalu, and Vanuatu. So please settle this before taking the info, and any possible edit-warring to other articles. Thank you. --${\displaystyle \color {Blue}{\mathcal {M}}}$${\displaystyle \color {Blue}{\vec {(e\ ,}}}$${\displaystyle \color {Blue}t)}$ 10:20, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Someone add these bilateral relations. They just recently got back in contact as trade partners. I have sources if you need them. Sereniama (talk) 06:29, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

>> Unfair to paint China as a colonialist in Africa>> China admits 'growing pains' in Africa ties (Lihaas (talk) 16:55, 11 March 2014 (UTC)).[reply]

• Rosales, Osvaldo and Mikio Kuwayama. "China and Latin America and the Caribbean Building a strategic economic and trade relationship" (Archive). United Nations.
• Brandt, Jon, et al. "Chinese Engagement in Latin America and the Caribbean: Implications for US Foreign Policy" (Archive). American University School of International Service. December 2012.
  • Full author list: Brandt, Jon, Nicole Adams, Christina Dinh, Devin Kleinfield-Hayes, Andrew Tuck, Derek Hottle, Nav Aujlla, Kirsten Kaufman, Wanlin Ren.

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@HenryZhang: Could you explain the revert you did to my edits to the wording of diplomatic recognitions? Thanks. --Matt Smith (talk) 11:28, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There are 22 countries have no diplomatic relations with the PRC government. The Holy See is not a UN member, and Bhutan has diplomatic relations with nor the PRC neither the ROC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HenryZhang (talk • contribs) 12:10, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I see. So it was just a number issue and I missed Bhutan. I will correct the number and restore my edits to the wording. --Matt Smith (talk) 12:39, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

São Tomé and Príncipe should be coloured green on the map. De wafelenbak (talk) 10:25, 11 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Please undo this revision that has

1. Introduced grammar mistakes. Countries that have no diplomatic relations with the PRC was changed to Countries have no diplomatic relations with the PRC

1. Introduced disinformation. This revision added
   China-Dominican Republic relations
   where a number of sources can back my claim.)

1. Removed content without any explanation, e.g. Islands in Diaoyutai Islands and Square in Tiananmen Square Massacre and etc.

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P.S. To possible answerer of this request: please keep an eye on this article even after answering my request so that the same disruptions won't happen again as it had been persistently disrupted by several different IPs prior to the protection. 123.161.168.116 (talk) 13:57, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Done (diff). Thanks for bringing this to our attention. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 15:40, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]