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== Requested move 13 June 2020 ==
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– [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]]. John Brown the abolitionist is much more relevant and well known when compared with other people he shares his name with. We could turn the current John Brown page to a disambiguation page afterwards if this were to be approved. [[User:Iamawesomeautomatic|Iamawesomeautomatic]] ([[User talk:Iamawesomeautomatic|talk]]) 02:17, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
– [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]]. John Brown the abolitionist is much more relevant and well known when compared with other people he shares his name with. We could turn the current John Brown page to a disambiguation page afterwards if this were to be approved. [[User:Iamawesomeautomatic|Iamawesomeautomatic]] ([[User talk:Iamawesomeautomatic|talk]]) 02:17, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Way too many other John Browns and no evidence of primary topic. [[User:DrKay|DrKay]] ([[User talk:DrKay|talk]]) 10:49, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Way too many other John Browns and no evidence of primary topic. [[User:DrKay|DrKay]] ([[User talk:DrKay|talk]]) 10:49, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

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Should the title just be "John Brown"?

Though John Brown is a common name, there is no one else with the name as famous and notable as this John Brown. Not only is his page the number one option that shows up in the search engine, the highest-ranked next person with that name (a moderately-known-at-best wide receiver) is the seventh most popular option. In fact, second and third place in the results are for his raid on Harper's Ferry and for the famous song. No other page for a man with this name has as much text or as many citations. And there is no reason to doubt that there are more links to this article and references to the man in other articles than there are for any other person with this name. Therefore, would it not make more sense to remove the "(abolitionist)" from the title and change it to just "John Brown", change the page that lists all of them to "John Brown (disambiguation)"? 207.255.107.35 (talk) 22:20, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 30 March 2020

In the second entry under "Paintings" there is a sentence fragment that should be merged with the sentence before it. Jorator (talk) 13:28, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Good catch. LionMans Account (talk) 13:48, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Citation needed" re: Forbes under "Gathering Forces"

The claim that Forbes threatened to expose the plot can be found in [1]

"[Forbes] demands that Hawkins [John Brown] be dismissed as agent, and himself or some other put in his place, threatening otherwise to make the business public."

Owensp1006 (talk) 14:47, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ WEB DuBois, John Brown (New York: International Publishers, 1996), 199-200.

Treason Correction

Wanted to drop in a correction. John Brown was not the first person convicted of treason, he was the first person hanged for treason in the United States. There were several convictions for participants in the whiskey rebellion, but the sentences were all commuted. There's plenty of sources, but here's one specifically on the subject of John Brown himself. About the thirty minute mark: [1]

As it looks like I can not make the correction as the page is protected, if someone with access could, please do so. Pevinsghost (talk) 17:15, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Second reference, about the whiskey rebellion:
"It took a huge show of force to suppress the rebellion in 1794 and several of the leaders were tried for treason. Of the 24 indicted, ten were captured and stood trial. Two, Philip Vigol and John Mitchell, were convicted and sentenced to be hanged. Washington pardoned both."[2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pevinsghost (talk • contribs) 03:24, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would just remove the entire relevant sentence (which is in the lead). The online sources you give don't explicitly say it was the first execution for treason (I don't have the DuBois book, but an early printing of it might be available online); and it's apparent that it wasn't the first conviction. I'll wait for others to voice their opinions before changing anything. Dhtwiki (talk) 05:18, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ahh, I can tell you did not check the first source I linked. From Time Stamp 29:56 - 30:32 in the audio: "So John Brown was ultimately convicted of Treason against a State he had never been a citizen of [Virginia], And when he was hanged, he became the first person to be hanged for Treason in The United States history. The people who participated in the Whiskey Rebellion were tried and convicted of treason and were supposed to be hanged but their sentence was commuted, so they would have been the first people in the country hanged for treason, but because of the commutation of their sentence John Brown became the first person hung for Treason [even] though he was not hanged for Treason against the United States." Considering the exacting nature of the wording from the source, a proper edit may be to change "the first person convicted of treason in the history of the country." to "the first person hanged for treason in the history of the country." If the page wasn't so long already, a discussion of all these details in the article itself might be nice, but as is, just a correction of the facts will probably be best. Pevinsghost (talk) 17:13, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I did not listen to the audio. Is it possible to code the citation so that it points to that part of the video, as you can with YouTube videos? Otherwise, I'd be willing to make the change that you suggest, although I don't think it's that important that we have that information in the lead. Dhtwiki (talk) 22:12, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done – I've edited the article in line with your suggested change, although I put "executed" rather than "hanged". Dhtwiki (talk) 23:41, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ahh, thank you much. Sorry got busy and didn't get back the other day. I do think the sentence does add a bit of color so to speak, glad to see it staying. Unfortunately that original posting site for the audio can't key to a specific point though. If I do come across any of the other sites the author posts to that can, I'll keep that ability in mind for future citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pevinsghost (talk • contribs) 06:09, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://mises.org/library/harpers-ferry-part-3-defeat
  2. ^ https://historycollection.co/20-acts-of-treason-in-american-history/

Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2020

I would like to add to his profession, or occupation...or know for. POssibly, preacher? prophet? and martyr. The reason I say this is because he has a quote saying this nation will never have justice without bloodshed, and some of his prophecies are kind of unknown and religiously speaking it is good record those who are importantly possibly of God's will in history, and I think he was actively a prophet? he seems like he had the supernatural power of God and he had to do something... that required action even though it was against Christ Doctrine like being a traitor or a terrorist treasonous person. I think? It would appear that way, and that gives me faith that God is real, and I think he was sent by God. He reminds me of Elijah. I'm sad not many people actually record God's work these days in history. Because of secular schooling and upsetting others... I hope something can be done because this confirms God's work, and i think that is important. Paladin5777 (talk) 18:04, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide a
reliable source that God was involved. ——Serial # 18:19, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Requested move 13 June 2020

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WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. John Brown the abolitionist is much more relevant and well known when compared with other people he shares his name with. We could turn the current John Brown page to a disambiguation page afterwards if this were to be approved. Iamawesomeautomatic (talk) 02:17, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply
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