Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Speedy: Difference between revisions

1. Determine which speedy criterion applies
2. Tag category with {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
3. List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page

Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.

Request may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.

Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per

To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination:

• Oppose, (the reasons for your objection). ~~~~

You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead you should edit the section

Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be un-tagged and de-listed after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.

If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who process the Speedy page. If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion.

Speedy criteria

The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:

C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes

• Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
• Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).

C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices

• Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
• Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).

C2C: Consistency with established category tree names

Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names

• This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
• This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
• This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).

C2D: Consistency with main article's name

• Renaming a
  topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles
  ).
• This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
  • unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the
    primary topic
    of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
  • uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
• This criterion may also be used to rename a
  set category
  in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
• This criterion is also used to add a disambiguator to a category name, even when the main article is not the primary topic of its name, but no other topics are likely to have an eponymous category

• This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
• The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.

C2F: One eponymous article

• This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use {{subst:cfm-speedy}} (speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article).

Admin instructions

When handling the listings:

1. Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
2. With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
3. Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.

If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.

Applying speedy criteria in full discussions

• A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
  • The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
  • No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
• If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been as a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.

Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here

If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.

If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.

Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:

* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

(The four ~ will sign and datestamp the entry automatically.) If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:

*REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

Remember to tag the category with: {{subst:Cfr-speedy|New name}}

A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 22:39, 18 May 2024 (UTC). Currently, there are 61 open requests (refresh).

Current requests

• WP:NCCAPS
• Category:Côte-Saint-Luc to Category:Côte Saint-Luc – C2D per Côte Saint-Luc. 2001:569:74D2:A800:E152:1C7A:68EF:E7E7 (talk) 01:33, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Category:People from Côte-Saint-Luc to Category:People from Côte Saint-Luc
• Category:Conservation in Western Australia to Category:Nature conservation in Western Australia – C2C within Category:Nature conservation in Australia, Category:Nature conservation by country etc. – Fayenatic London 22:07, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Category:Conservation in New South Wales to Category:Nature conservation in New South Wales
  • Category:Conservation in Central America to Category:Nature conservation in Central America
  • Category:Conservation in the Caribbean to Category:Nature conservation in the Caribbean
  • Category:Conservation in Nunavut to Category:Nature conservation in Nunavut
• Category:Conservation in the State of Palestine to Category:Nature conservation in the State of Palestine – C2C – Fayenatic London 20:27, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Category:Conservation in North Korea to Category:Nature conservation in North Korea
  • Category:Conservation in Tajikistan to Category:Nature conservation in Tajikistan
• Oculi (talk) 18:48, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Category:Treehouse of Horror (series) to Category:Treehouse of Horror – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:54, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Oculi (talk) 14:25, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Oculi (talk) 14:20, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Category:Settlements in Sri Lanka by district to Category:Populated places in Sri Lanka by district, C2C per Category:Populated places in Sri Lanka. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:57, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Category:Settlements in Ampara District to Category:Populated places in Ampara District
• Category:Settlements in Anuradhapura District to Category:Populated places in Anuradhapura District
• Category:Settlements in Badulla District to Category:Populated places in Badulla District
• Category:Settlements in Batticaloa District to Category:Populated places in Batticaloa District
• Category:Settlements in Colombo District to Category:Populated places in Colombo District
• Category:Settlements in Galle District to Category:Populated places in Galle District
• Category:Settlements in Gampaha District to Category:Populated places in Gampaha District
• Category:Settlements in Hambantota District to Category:Populated places in Hambantota District
• Category:Settlements in Jaffna District to Category:Populated places in Jaffna District
• Category:Settlements in Kalutara District to Category:Populated places in Kalutara District
• Category:Settlements in Kandy District to Category:Populated places in Kandy District
• Category:Settlements in Kegalle District to Category:Populated places in Kegalle District
• Category:Settlements in Kilinochchi District to Category:Populated places in Kilinochchi District
• Category:Settlements in Kurunegala District to Category:Populated places in Kurunegala District
• Category:Settlements in Mannar District to Category:Populated places in Mannar District
• Category:Settlements in Matale District to Category:Populated places in Matale District
• Category:Settlements in Matara District to Category:Populated places in Matara District
• Category:Settlements in Monaragala District to Category:Populated places in Monaragala District
• Category:Settlements in Mullaitivu District to Category:Populated places in Mullaitivu District
• Category:Settlements in Nuwara Eliya District to Category:Populated places in Nuwara Eliya District
• Category:Settlements in Polonnaruwa District to Category:Populated places in Polonnaruwa District
• Category:Settlements in Puttalam District to Category:Populated places in Puttalam District
• Category:Settlements in Ratnapura District to Category:Populated places in Ratnapura District
• Category:Settlements in Trincomalee District to Category:Populated places in Trincomalee District
• Category:Settlements in Vavuniya District to Category:Populated places in Vavuniya District

• Category:The Lego Movie character redirects to lists to Category:The Lego Movie (franchise) character redirects to lists – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 11:02, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Category:The Lego Movie video games to Category:The Lego Movie (franchise) video games – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 11:01, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Category:The Lego Movie to Category:The Lego Movie (franchise) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:00, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Category:An American Tail to Category:An American Tail (franchise) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 10:56, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Category:Bourne films to Category:Bourne (film series) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 10:55, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Category:Conservation in Korea to Category:Nature conservation in Korea – C2C within Nature conservation by country. – Fayenatic London 09:40, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Category:Tentative World Heritage Sites in Senegal to Category:World Heritage Tentative List for Senegal - technical nomination. It was nominated by Fayenatic london as C2C in a group, I have processed other nominations but this one was not tagged. I now tagged it and added on top of the list to wait for 48h.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:32, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Category:Post Foods brands to Category:Post Consumer Brands brands – C2D per Post Consumer Brands. Erpert ^{blah, blah, blah...} 23:28, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Category:Vice Presidents of the United States to Category:Vice presidents of the United States – C2A: Per Vice President of the United States –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:39, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Category:Fictional Vice Presidents of the United States to Category:Fictional vice presidents of the United States – C2A: Per Vice President of the United States. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:39, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Category:American Field Service personnel of Word War II to Category:American Field Service personnel of World War II – C2A. CateFromArcadia (talk) 21:08, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Category:Lists of cities by population in Pakistan to Category:Lists of cities in Pakistan by population – C2C within Category:Lists of cities by population. – Fayenatic London 13:22, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Category:Chang Bogo-class submarines to Category:Jang Bogo-class submarines – C2A The official Romanisation of Korean changed in 2000, which had the effect of changing the official name of the class from Chang Bogo to Jang Bogo - discussed over on WPT:Korea Le Deluge (talk) 13:04, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• LASK Linz to LASK – C2D – The main article is located at
  LASK Linz. – PeeJay 12:21, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • Category:LASK Linz to Category:LASK
  • Category:LASK Linz managers to Category:LASK managers
  • Category:LASK Linz players to Category:LASK players
• Category:Trinidad, Washington, D.C. to Category:Trinidad (Washington, D.C.) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 10:46, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Category:Near Northeast, Washington, D.C. to Category:Near Northeast (Washington, D.C.) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 10:46, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Category:Brookland, Washington, D.C. to Category:Brookland (Washington, D.C.) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 10:45, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Category:Downtown, Washington, D.C. to Category:Downtown (Washington, D.C.) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 10:44, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Category:2020 Beirut explosions to Category:2020 Beirut explosion – Article was renamed. 109.186.137.200 (talk) 10:01, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Category:Wet Hot American Summer to Category:Wet Hot American Summer (franchise) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 08:47, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Category:La Red shows to Category:La Red (Chilean TV channel) shows – per Category:La Red (Chilean TV channel)/La Red (Chilean TV channel) Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 03:29, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Hold until this RM concludes. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 19:24, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 00:22, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  This AFD closed with retaining the name La Red (Chilean TV channel), so I think this one should be processed now. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 23:51, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Relisted this one. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:55, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Opposed requests

• Category:Reggio Audace F.C. to Category:A.C. Reggiana 1919 – C2D Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 18:16, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. You've listed this 2 weeks ago and it was opposed. What has changed? --Gonnym (talk) 18:18, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • The recent name change has now been verified by at least one reliable source. Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 13:22, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Nehme1499: after two opposes you'd better list this for full discussion (instead of speedy) if you want to pursue on this. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:01, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

On hold pending other discussion

• local consensus - [1] was obviously not aware of this and changed the name of the category. --FlavrSavr (talk) 16:45, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply
  ]

  Oppose speedy @FlavrSavr: firstly, the category was moved through full CfD discussion, which closed today, so you could contact the closer and ask them to reconsider their close. Secondly Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Macedonia) says "Article names, categories, and templates should avoid adjectival use altogether. The use of neutral formulations such as "of North Macedonia", "in North Macedonia," etc. is preferred", which suggests a move to Category:Politicians of North Macedonia. Category:North Macedonian politicians by party should be nominated as well. Also, the category has not been tagged for speedy renaming. TSventon (talk) 17:59, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  @TSventon: Thanks. So I should contact bibliomaniac15? BTW, that particular sentence has been hotly contested even post formulation of the policy. The 'nationality' part wasn't. --FlavrSavr (talk) 18:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  @

  WP:NCMAC, but it seems that they didn't. TSventon (talk) 18:45, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply

  ]

  @

  WP:NCMAC should be the basis of the discussed move. --FlavrSavr (talk) 18:53, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply

  ]

  @FlavrSavr: it is correct to tag the category: the tag will be removed when the speedy process is concluded. The nomination can be moved to the "Moved to full discussion" section if a full discussion is (re)started and the category will also need a full CfD tag. TSventon (talk) 19:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  The CFD decision seems perverse. The category tree is Category:Macedonian people, and this seems to be the only exception to the "Macdenian fooers" convention of its subcats. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:03, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Agreed. While

  WP:NCMAC tried very hard to address the somewhat mixed results of the RfC on the adjectival usage of the country, it is pretty specific about the people (namely: nationality) of that country. I'm surprised that somebody actually brought the issue up, let alone managed to successfully go through a full CFD decision. Let's see what the move review will bring about. --FlavrSavr (talk) 00:36, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply

  ]

  • I've listed the two categories for move review instead. bibliomaniac15 20:04, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Moved to full discussion

• Category:Pride parades in Poland to Category:Equality marches in Poland – C2D: See equality marches in Poland, in Poland these events are called "equality marches" in order to emphasize that the organizers want equal rights. (t · c) buidhe 21:17, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Oppose - Alignment with the rest of the category tree (and common usage) should override consistency with the article name in this case. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 22:51, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  The equality marches in Poland are not commonly called "pride parades", even in English language sources. That is simply incorrect. (t · c) buidhe 01:21, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  @

  C2C-based objection. This needs a full discussion. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:30, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply

  ]

• Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:50, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Category:Chotek to Category:Chotek family – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 14:45, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  C2C to what? Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 11:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Family categories in most countries are all like "Foo family". It appears that this convention has not been followed strictly with Category:Austrian noble families. Is there a reason? Do we need a wider discussion?Rathfelder (talk) 08:42, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• @Rathfelder: are you going to move this one to full discussion too? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:36, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Will do. Rathfelder (talk) 21:47, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• This has meanwhile been added to the existing full discussion about Austrian noble families. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:31, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Category:Peace mechanism to Category:Peace process – C2D per Peace process Brandmeister^talk 18:01, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Category:Peace process was originally named Category:Peace mechanism for a good reason. Please restore the category name to Category:Peace mechanism. I'm not an admin so I can't.
  • Category:Peace processes is for peace processes such as Category:Bangsamoro peace process‎ (8 P), Category:Basque Country peace process‎ (3 P), Category:Bosnian peace process‎ (6 P).
  • Readers will get totally confused if individual peace mechanisms are categorised as elements of
    constituent stategovernment, culture as elements of Category:Country. It's true that countries almost always have cities, governments and cultures, and often have provinces and constituent states; but Category:Country
    was deleted 11 years ago.
  • Thanks. Boud (talk) 21:12, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • This was processed but belatedly opposed at User_talk:JJMC89. I copied the above opposition rationale from there and am reversing the move.
    • I suggest that Category:Peace mechanisms (plural) would be an improvement, and allowable as C2A. – Fayenatic London 21:29, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • The term 'mechanism' is pretty vague anyway, it is not a common word used in the articles. A more appropriate category name might be Category:Peacebuilding, C2D per Peacebuilding. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:18, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • "Peacebuilding" would not be a good choice. The terminology in the general field is not well standardised, but I put a lot of effort in trying to sort this out based on
          sourced
          definition.

        Between Category:Peace mechanisms and Category:Peace mechanism, I'm not familiar enough with current Category guidelines to have a strong argument. A random check on Special:AllPages/Category:Hk suggests that plurals are preferred in similar cases, so Category:Peace mechanisms seems fine by me.

        There might be a better term than "peace mechanisms" for the specific elements used in peace processes, but I'm not aware of it (ordinary English such as "components of peace processes" or "elements of peace processes" would make sense, but "peace mechanisms" seems to be the most common). Some references in favour of the term include Article 9 of the Japanese constitution, water management (MSc thesis), Cornell Policy Review "peace mechanisms such as truth commissions, reparations, and memorialization", Section 2.3.1 of this Nepal peacebuilding analysis lists specific peace mechanisms.

        Boud (talk) 15:48, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• I see what you mean. Splitting between a new Category:War ending and Category:Peacebuilding would be my next proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Category:Peacebuilding would not work here because it's an "-ing" word - it's about more synthetic (WP:RS) overviews of processes, not about particular concrete elements of them. The present elements of Category:Peacebuilding are wider topics than individual mechanisms. Many of the specific elements (mechanisms) are components both to solve existing conflicts and to prevent conflicts from occurring or recurring: e.g. arms embargoes and confidence-building measures. "War ending" is also an -ing expression, with the same problem. I don't see an objection in principle of having two sub-categories of Category:peace mechanism or Category:peace mechanisms, but it seems a bit premature to me, and I think the focus on individual things/pieces - mechanisms - will reduce the number of fuzzy categorisations. Better wait until we have more contributions/contributors before sub-categorising. Boud (talk) 20:35, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:44, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Category:Kinsky to Category:House of Kinsky – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 13:55, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Oppose

  House of Kinsky redirects to Kinsky, which is the current title of the category. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 09:40, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply

  ]

  Family categories in most countries are all like "Foo family". It appears that this convention has not been followed strictly with Category:Austrian noble families. Is there a reason? Do we need a wider discussion? Category:Kinsky doesnt convey anything to those unfamiliar with the topic. Rathfelder (talk) 08:42, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Now at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_August_9#Category:Austrian_noble_families. @Rathfelder: are you planning to add the two similar cases above? – Fayenatic London 09:29, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Category:Old Latin New Testament manuscripts to Category:Vetus Latina New Testament manuscripts – C2B: More precise since it directly says it relates to the Vetus Latina. Veverve (talk) 11:34, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose speedy, the mere fact that there is an article
  WP:DEFINING characteristic of these articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:25, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • Note: there was a recent discussion of the parent & grandparent, with no consensus, at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_April_21#Category:Vetus_Latina. – Fayenatic London 21:40, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Marcocapelle: "Vetus Latina" is definetly more precise than "Old Latin". Those articles relate to manuscripts of the Vetus Latina, not any Latin manuscripts of old times. Veverve (talk) 20:10, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• I agree that "old" is confusing, but in full discussion I think I might propose renaming to Category:Latin biblical manuscripts and adding Category:Vulgate manuscripts as a subcategory to it. The fact that they are written in Latin is the defining characteristic, not the fact that they are part of a set called Vetus Latina. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:06, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• @Marcocapelle: "Vetus Latina" designates the translations made from the Septuagint and the New Testament into Latin, mainly before the 4th century; see its article. The Vulgate is the 4th-century translations in Latin of the Hebrew Old Testament, the New Testament, and of some books from the Septuagint; those translations were mainly done by Jerome. Therefore, it is needed to distinguish between the Vetus Latina (a specific set of translations), the Vulgate (another set of specific translations), and other Latin manuscripts, and this is one of the the purposes of my renaming proposal. Veverve (talk) 23:47, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• The distinction with Vulgate will still exist with Vulgate as a subcat of Latin. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:19, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• I add that the category is currently called "Old Latin" because "Old Latin" translates "Vetus Latina". You can check for yourself: all the manuscripts within this category are Vetus Latina texts. Veverve (talk) 23:59, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Sure, but the confusing element is that it is not written in Old Latin. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:19, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• @Marcocapelle: the confusion also stems from the fact "Vetus Latina" is the common name for those translations, whereas "Old Latin" is condusing. Moreover, there would be no point in putting all the Vetus Latin New Testament manuscript in a new, broader, less precise category. Veverve (talk) 11:33, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• @Marcocapelle: do you still oppose? Veverve (talk) 13:09, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:10, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Category:Nazis in comic book fiction to Category:Comics about Nazism - C2C: Consistency with established category tree names — Preceding unsigned comment added by NeoBatfreak (talk • contribs) 01:58, 28 July 2020‎
  • Oppose We need a full discussion as to whether we should follow the comic book convention of that of Category:Nazism in popular culture's subcats. UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:41, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Now at full discussion. – Fayenatic London 08:42, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Category:British television programmes by genre to Category:British television series by genre – C2C: per convention of Category:Television series by country and genre. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:37, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not all the programmes in this category are series. Some are one-off. Thincat (talk) 10:19, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Thincat, if that is the case, then there are two options:

1. purge this category of show that are not series
2. rename all the other subcats of Category:Television series by country and genre to use "shows".

But I don't see the case for making British programming an exception. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:53, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There shouldn't be an exception for Britain. However, articles properly categorised as programmes/programs/shows (in any country) shouldn't be improperly re-categorised as series. Another (hypothetical) suggestion: remove Category:British television programmes by genre from Category:Television series by country and genre which is, I think, the source of the problem. I now see Category:Television shows is (temporarily?) chaotic. Thincat (talk) 11:13, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Thincat, excluding Brits shows from Category:Television series by country and genre is no solution. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:21, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your option (1) would involve a great deal of work. Some subcats contain mostly one-offs (Category:British television documentaries) other subcats contain mostly series (or entirely if the subcat naming is correct). (2) would seem to me preferable but not as a speedy because the situation has not been clear. Thincat (talk) 08:54, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Moved to full discussion

• Razakar (Pakistan) is a specific force which operated in East Pakistan. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:27, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • @BrownHairedGirl: I believe this should be Category:Razakars (Pakistan). – Fayenatic London 09:34, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Fayenatic, the category currently structured as a topic category, so no plural needed. Maybe it should become a combined set/topic category? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:55, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • Not sure I understand this re
        WP:TOPICCAT. In what way is it "structured as a topic category", other than its name being singular rather than plural? How would it "become" a combined one – simply by renaming as I have suggested? – Fayenatic London 12:42, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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        • Razakar (Pakistan). If it was a set category, it would have people categories as patents. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:55, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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          • Ah, I see – thank you. But I disagree that the organisation was called
            Razakar (Pakistan), even though that is its main article; in the article, the organisation is referred to either as "Razakars" or as "Razakar force". Moreover, I think the category is already functioning also as a set category. (I would probably move the article as well.) – Fayenatic London 13:00, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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            • @Fayenatic, I have moved this to the opposed section, because I think it has moved beyond the type of straightforward issue which can be handled as a speedy, so we need a full discussion to consider it. I'll leave it you make that full nomination, so that you can make the nominator's case upfront. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:46, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:34, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Discussion was relisted at CFD 2020 Aug 16. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 18:48, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Suspense (genre), Suspense is just the feeling. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:52, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Suspense (genre) redirects to Thriller (genre), doesn't this justify a speedy upmerge to Category:Thrillers, and renaming/merging of its subcats? I'm not sure that that would be best, though. The article Thriller (genre) only mentions suspense as a characteristic of thrillers, not as a sub-genre. However, I feel that Suspense#In drama might be a better target for the redirect. If that is done then I would not oppose your nomination. – Fayenatic London 22:22, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Oppose speedy C2D doesn’t apply to redirects. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 22:52, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Armbrust, then do it per C2B. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:35, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:06, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • The discussion was relisted at CFD 2020 July 29. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 08:30, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Category:Disestablishments in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:Disestablishments in All-Palestine Protectorate - C2D: per All-Palestine Protectorate and Category:All-Palestine Protectorate. --Gonnym (talk) 10:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Category:Establishments in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:Establishments in All-Palestine Protectorate
  • Category:History of All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:History of All-Palestine Protectorate
  • Category:History of All-Palestine (Gaza) by period to Category:History of All-Palestine Protectorate by period
  • Category:Years of the 20th century in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:Years of the 20th century in All-Palestine Protectorate
  • Category:Decades in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:Decades in All-Palestine Protectorate
  • Category:1940s in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:1940s in All-Palestine Protectorate
  • Category:1950s in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:1950s in All-Palestine Protectorate
  • Category:Years in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:Years in All-Palestine Protectorate
  • Category:1948 in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:1948 in All-Palestine Protectorate
  • Category:1949 in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:1949 in All-Palestine Protectorate
  • Category:1956 in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:1956 in All-Palestine Protectorate
  • Category:1957 in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:1957 in All-Palestine Protectorate
  • Category:Massacres in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:Massacres in All-Palestine Protectorate

  Oppose this batch. This is a non-consensus topic and worthy of a full discussion. For instance, I wonder if many of the categories for this short-lived puppet government may not rather be merged elsewhere rather than just renamed. Place Clichy (talk) 19:11, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  What exactly are you opposing? The categories aren't nominated for either deletion or creation (if that were a thing). It's just aligning the names with each other and the parent article and category per C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:07, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Imho this is still worth a full discussion. Whatever the target here it will be non-consensual. A full discussion will allow us to reach a consensual target. Place Clichy (talk) 22:40, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm sorry but I don't see how exactly this is a valid oppose. This is exactly what C2D means. If the name isn't good, it should be handled at the article level and not at the category levels. CFD should not make

  WP:LOCALCONSENSUS a thing. --Gonnym (talk) 22:51, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply

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  @Place Clichy: are you planning to move these categories to full CFD in order to have them merged? (because if you are not, there seems to be little reason to further delay renaming) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:37, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  C2D allows for exceptions, and requires anyway that the target is both unambiguous and uncontroversial, neither of which are met here. Anyway, the real issue here is that what is called All-Palestinian Protectorate in the eponymous article never actually had any existence (beside its first 3 months in 1948 according to the author of most of these categories, as argued here) and that this content should probably better be located elsewhere than in what looks like a country category structure. Notably, all the chronology and (dis)establishment categories would probably better be served by referring to an expression like Egyptian rule in the Gaza Strip, or sticking to a purely geographical terminology such as Palestinian territories or Gaza Strip. They may also be purely deleted or upmerged to larger parents. Note that all these categories have actually very few articles in them. Besides the articles directly related to the Egyptian short-lived straw government (All-Palestine National Council, All-Palestine Government) and wider articles relative to the Arab-Israeli conflict and Israeli military operations, all you have is two localities (Kfar Darom and Bureij), a newspaper (Gaza Weekly Newspaper) and a football club (Shabab Rafah). This is very little content for 31 chronology and establishment categories. For the time being and until someone creates a CfD for them, a name that mentions (Gaza) is more useful to the reader than a name that does not include it, for most or all of these categories. Place Clichy (talk) 15:53, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Nomination has been split in two parts: (dis)establishments categories by year are now on full CFD. The other categories as listed in this section may follow later, dependent on the outcome of the full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:30, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• 2nd full discussion here. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:59, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• The 2nd full discussion was relisted at CFD 2020 July 27. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 08:33, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• WP:CFD/2020 May 6#Television_program(me)s. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:40, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Category:Television programs directed by Alan Alda to Category:Television shows directed by Alan Alda
  • Category:Television programs directed by Peter Avanzino to Category:Television shows directed by Peter Avanzino
  • Category:Television programs directed by Jules Bass to Category:Television shows directed by Jules Bass
  • Category:Television programs directed by Steve Binder to Category:Television shows directed by Steve Binder
  • Category:Television programs directed by Brannon Braga to Category:Television shows directed by Brannon Braga
  • Category:Television programs directed by James Burrows to Category:Television shows directed by James Burrows
  • Category:Television programs directed by Marty Callner to Category:Television shows directed by Marty Callner
  • Category:Television programs directed by James L. Conway to Category:Television shows directed by James L. Conway
  • Category:Television programs directed by Matthew Faughnan to Category:Television shows directed by Matthew Faughnan
  • Category:Television programs directed by Paul Feig to Category:Television shows directed by Paul Feig
  • Category:Television programs directed by Jonathan Frakes to Category:Television shows directed by Jonathan Frakes
  • Category:Television programs directed by Bruce Gowers to Category:Television shows directed by Bruce Gowers
  • Category:Television programs directed by Seth Green to Category:Television shows directed by Seth Green
  • Category:Television programs directed by Robert Guenette to Category:Television shows directed by Robert Guenette
  • Category:Television programs directed by Jack Haley Jr. to Category:Television shows directed by Jack Haley Jr.
  • Category:Television programs directed by Hamish Hamilton (director) to Category:Television shows directed by Hamish Hamilton (director)
  • Category:Television programs directed by Toby Haynes to Category:Television shows directed by Toby Haynes
  • Category:Television programs directed by Dwight Hemion to Category:Television shows directed by Dwight Hemion
  • Category:Television programs directed by Jim Henson to Category:Television shows directed by Jim Henson
  • Category:Television programs directed by Louis J. Horvitz to Category:Television shows directed by Louis J. Horvitz
  • Category:Television programs directed by Sam Jaimes to Category:Television shows directed by Sam Jaimes
  • Category:Television programs directed by Chuck Jones to Category:Television shows directed by Chuck Jones
  • Category:Television programs directed by Ward Kimball to Category:Television shows directed by Ward Kimball
  • Category:Television programs directed by Don Roy King to Category:Television shows directed by Don Roy King
  • Category:Television programs directed by Sidney Lumet to Category:Television shows directed by Sidney Lumet
  • Category:Television programs directed by Hamilton Luske to Category:Television shows directed by Hamilton Luske
  • Category:Television programs directed by Delbert Mann to Category:Television shows directed by Delbert Mann
  • Category:Television programs directed by Jeff Margolis to Category:Television shows directed by Jeff Margolis
  • Category:Television programs directed by Beth McCarthy-Miller to Category:Television shows directed by Beth McCarthy-Miller
  • Category:Television programs directed by Bill Melendez to Category:Television shows directed by Bill Melendez
  • Category:Television programs directed by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan to Category:Television shows directed by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
  • Category:Television programs directed by Don Mischer to Category:Television shows directed by Don Mischer
  • Category:Television programs directed by Marty Pasetta to Category:Television shows directed by Marty Pasetta
  • Category:Television programs directed by Bill Pope to Category:Television shows directed by Bill Pope
  • Category:Television programs directed by Arthur Rankin Jr. to Category:Television shows directed by Arthur Rankin Jr.
  • Category:Television programs directed by Phil Roman to Category:Television shows directed by Phil Roman
  • Category:Television programs directed by Glenn Weiss to Category:Television shows directed by Glenn Weiss
  • Category:Television programs directed by Joss Whedon to Category:Television shows directed by Joss Whedon
    • Oppose this tree. It seems last year an editor changed some of these from episodes to programs and I can't find a discussion relevant to that. Since we have a parent tree for "Television episodes by" these should be changed to represent what these exactly are. As an example Category:Television programs directed by Paul Feig has only episodes. --Gonnym (talk) 10:32, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Gonnym, that sounds plausible in principle, and I AGF that it's right, but I haven't checked it myself.
        However, when I look at Category:Television programs by director, I see that it is a subcat of Category:Television shows, not of Category:Television episodes. That parenting could be easily fixed, but it occurs to me that there must be a non-trivial set of cases where one person has directed a whole series ... it might be best to use a more inclusive title such as Category:Television programming by director, as a subcat of Category:Television programming.
        So, if it would help: how about I open a full CFD discussion on this set, offering three options: shows, episodes, programming. I have tools to make such group noms easily, so it's no biggie for me to do it. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:46, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • Sure, a CfD is probably best here. I'll note that Category:Television episodes by director had a CfD in 2011 which resulted in delete, however, it seems that the community is still adding these pages, just not under that name. --Gonnym (talk) 10:58, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 5#Television programs by director. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:22, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Discussion was relisted on CFD 2020 July 17. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 19:19, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  It was relisted a second time at CFD 2020 Aug 1. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 19:45, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Category:Roman sites to Category:Roman archaeological sites, C2C per Category:Archaeological sites by culture and Category:Ancient archaeological sites. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:05, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Category:Roman sites in Africa to Category:Roman archaeological sites in Europe, C2C per Category:Archaeological sites in Africa. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:01, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Category:Roman sites in Asia to Category:Roman archaeological sites in Europe, C2C per Category:Archaeological sites in Asia. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:01, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Category:Roman sites in Europe to Category:Roman archaeological sites in Europe, C2C per Category:Ancient archaeological sites in Europe. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:01, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Oppose speedy for above four. Most of the subcategories of Category:Archaeological sites by culture don't use "archaeological" (only 4 of the 26). Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 06:10, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Oppose, "archeological site" implies that archeology has been or could be conducted on them, which is untrue if the site is still standing, or is only known from written sources and has never been found. Abductive (reasoning) 21:01, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:19, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• The discussion was relisted at CFD 2020 July 24. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 08:33, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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    Oppose this batch. @1234qwer1234qwer4: There was consensus at this discussion among others that these Booian Fooian categories should instead be moved to Category:Booian Fooian society, and there is also long-standing consensus that people categories should be at Category:Fooian people of Booian descent. This structure would make things a lot clearer, as I agree that these categories are currently very poorly named. See also these two relevant discussions from last year for sparsely populated categories. Place Clichy (talk) 01:20, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

    @Place Clichy: Thanks for the info; would you mind creating a CfD or should I? 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 19:18, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

    @1234qwer1234qwer4: I don't mind if you create them. Place Clichy (talk) 05:43, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

    Since nothing has happened on this, I'll create the nomination. --Mdaniels5757 (talk) 17:08, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

    Moved to full discussion at Category:Croatian Canadian --Mdaniels5757 (talk) 17:41, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

    Discussion was relisted on CFD 2020 July 27. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 08:33, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Once the renaming has been completed, copy and paste the listing to the Ready for deletion section of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Working/Manual.