Talk:2017–2018 Iranian protests
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Name of Protests
Apparently, the protests are also referred to as "December 2017" protests; should that be included in the text? Here for example its argued that there was an initial spike in December, but no clear ending as the protests just slowly drizzled out.126.248.131.196 (talk) 15:37, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Chinese Reaction
For when editing becomes allowed again we now have a reaction from the Chinese spokesman that can be added to the international reaction sections “China hopes that Iran can maintain stability and achieve development.” [1] Postermon1 09:55, 4 January 2018 (EST)
Merger proposal
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
2018–2019 Iranian general strikes and protests seems to have a large overlab with the current title. Removing the repeated materials from here, the rest can be safely merged into this title. Also, some users suggested Merger in this AFD. One more thing; why should the title cover 2019 when there's no unrest reported in 2019? --Mhhossein talk 12:52, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
- Because there's literally unrest reported in 2019 in the article and on the news? I'm fine with the merge if we change the name to 2017–19 Iranian protests. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:48, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
- Merger should not happen without a broader input IMO. The limits of this article have bedevilled it almost since its creation. Is this article about a specific set of anti-regime protests over last winter, or all recent protests in Iran? I incline more to the first camp and think that unless sources explicitly treat protests as being strongly linked together - the article risks becoming an excessively shapeless list of all complaints in Iran.Pincrete (talk) 14:19, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
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- Just to add a source - the regime itself seems to be treating protests as an ongoing phenomenon. [1] 137.248.1.2 (talk) 15:07, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
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- Agree with User:Mhhossein Tshuva (talk) 14:30, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Disagree Looking at the two articles, it seems that the two events are not related to one another, and by that I refer to the timeline in which each of these protests have taken place. The 2018-2019 protests could be considered a “successor” to the ones that happened in 2017-2018. Also, as another user mentioned, merging the two articles is somehow impossible because the two of them are detailed articles, and the one covering the 2018-2019 protests is even going to get more expanded in the near future. I would also like to point out that we have two separate articles for these two events on the Persian Wikipedia as well. Keivan.fTalk 02:19, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- Disagree It seems like they are separate, but related events. Pmaxhogan (talk) 18:44, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
- If they are related than at the very least there should be an umbrella article like with the crisis in Venezuela. Charles Essie (talk) 21:08, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
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I've removed the merge headers. After one year, this clearly isn't going to happen.Pincrete (talk) 13:15, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
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Supported by the US ?
The infobox has claimed for some time, in the section 'parties to the conflict', that the protesters were "supported by the US".
"Supported by" is very ambiguous. It can mean 'funded and directed by' or simply 'cheered on by'. In the context of 'parties to the conflict', to justify inclusion, we should have evidence that the US was actively providing tangible logistic, financial or other practical support. No evidence of this is anywhere in the article though tons of evidence of much moral support from US and from individuals in America - though even there, was the 'cheering on' any more intense than in other Western states and was it provided by the US as a state, or simply by agencies and individuals in US?
I've removed the description, it is more misleading than informative IMO.Pincrete (talk) 09:51, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
"The Iranian people are ready for regime change"
This hardly seems like an accurate or appropriate thing to put in this article. While the protests may well have been indicative of broad dissatisfaction with the Iranian government, to go so far as to attribute desire for regime change, which is generally understood to involve violent deposition and replacement by an external force, seems highly irresponsible. At the very least, it should be presented as an opinion on the protests, with clear attribution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flyest nihilist (talk • contribs) 03:18, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Proposed merge of 2018 Khuzestan protests into 2017–2018 Iranian protests
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
- To merge 2018 Khuzestan protests into 2017–2018 Iranian protests for reasons of context and short text. Klbrain (talk) 09:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)]
- To merge
There's not much to say regarding this topic which is well within the scope of its broader subject, i.e. 2017–2018 Iranian protests. --Mhhossein talk 06:42, 9 February 2021 (UTC) Mhhossein talk 06:42, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Nope. There are too many sources about the "2017–2018 Iranian protests" to stand as a notable topic in its own. Very confused by this merge proposal.2018 Khuzestan protests article, something that would not make any sense. Barca (talk) 09:55, 14 February 2021 (UTC)]- Oppose, on the grounds that the reasons for the protests were quite different and didn't overlap in time and space. The ]
Relation with other 2018 protests?
I feel like the entry mainly discusses the protests in late December 2017 and early January 2018. To what extent is it appropriate to include protests in March and August as is done now? Aren't these events more appropriate to discuss in the 2018–2019 Iranian general strikes and protests, the 2018 Iranian protest movement, the 2018 protests in Iran or the 2018 Iranian water protests?
In general, the entry would benefit from a clear scope, especially in light of the many related entries. Pandrleiden (talk) 14:44, 19 April 2023 (UTC)