Talk:Ashiq Peri
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Reviewer: Mujinga (talk · contribs) 20:04, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
Hi Golden, I hope you are well. I'll be happy to take this on for review as part of the
August 2023 GAN Backlog Drive. I'll also drop my wonderful wikipal @SusunW: a ping since she is the page creator and very familiar with GAR, in case she wants to chip in too. We all want to improve the article I'm sure :) Mujinga (talk) 20:04, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
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- @Golden: I enjoyed reading this article, I've left some comments below and will put the review on hold. If you need more than seven days to answer, just let me know. I'm sure this can be a good article, right now my main concern is broadness and I'd also like to get an image in there. Cheers, Mujinga (talk) 20:46, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
- I am thrilled that the article which I started during the world contest has been expanded, rewritten and taken to good article. I am always hopeful that articles can be improved through collaboration, especially from those who have some level of expertise, of which I have none on either poetry or Azerbaijan. Thank you for your work Golden. SusunW (talk) 20:55, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
- No problem, SusunW. Thank you for your work in highlighting women like Ashiq Peri, whom I would never have discovered if it weren't for your article. — Golden call me maybe? 21:08, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
- Happy to hear that, Mujinga. Unfortunately, I won't be able to edit the article until the 12th, so I would appreciate an extension. Thanks in advance. — Golden call me maybe? 21:05, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
- I am thrilled that the article which I started during the world contest has been expanded, rewritten and taken to good article. I am always hopeful that articles can be improved through collaboration, especially from those who have some level of expertise, of which I have none on either poetry or Azerbaijan. Thank you for your work Golden. SusunW (talk) 20:55, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
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Copyvio check
- Earwig gives no cause for concern, not seeing close paraphrasing
Spotchecks
on this version
- 2 - According to Anna C. Oldfield, a professor of world literature, the majority of references indicate that Peri died in 1848, but do not provide any details on the cause or circumstances of her death. - ok, backed by source
- 7 x 3 - all good
- 5 Peri is also regarded as the first prominent female Azerbaijani ashiq, and her legacy continues to this day.[5] - hmm Brill isn't working to access source, I'll come back on that - got them now on another browser, claims backed by sources
Article status
- Article is stable, no tags, neutral and focused
- Slight concern on broadness:
- eg Bayraktarlar says "In the Soviet era .... poetry is known, most of them have disappeared and gone" so does that means a lot of her poems are lost? that isn't really covered, so right now I'm unclear on what of her works have survived
- eg oldfield has written an entire chapter on her legacy, and has sources listed
- both Heß and Gray are not extensive in their coverage
- References are high quality and well laid-out
- I made some bot edits, feel free to revert
Images
- Currently no images. There is one at https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%C5%9F%C4%B1q_P%C9%99ri and/or maybe add a pic from one of the places mentioned in the article?
Prose
Biography
- Biography - is this a good title or should it be "Life" or "Life and Work"?
- For all of my previous GA poet articles, such as Fuzuli (poet) and Imadaddin Nasimi, I have used "Biography". — Golden talk
- "from the concise observations" - do we need concise here? further oldfield says berge actually met peri, so that would be worth mentioning
- In 1830, she moved to Shusha, the capital of the Karabakh Khanate.[3] Her reputation continued to grow in Shusha.[4] - suggest " In 1830, she moved to Shusha, the capital of the Karabakh Khanate, where her reputation continued to grow.[3][4] "
- link world literature?
Poetry section
- "Another common theme in her poetry is objection of injustices," - would suggest "is objection to injustice"
- "Other ashiqs in the mejlis dedicated many poems to her, highlighting the prominent role she must have occupied in the mejlis" - is "in the mejlis" needed?
- "This is what prompts Oldfield to describe Peri as "a model of a strong, independent woman from within Azerbaijani culture".[1]" - perhaps this setence is better in legacy where it can be expanded upon?
Legacy section
- no selected works section? looks like there is one at https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%C5%9F%C4%B1q_P%C9%99ri
- " Peri is also regarded as the first prominent female Azerbaijani ashiq, and her legacy continues to this day.[5] " - does this mean she is regarded as so by Gray and Heß, or are they saying something else?
- "Azerbaijan SSR" - suggest writing in full as Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic
- is she still/more popular today after the Azerbaijan SSR ? eg oldfield p54 says about Aşıq Pəri Məclisi "They became very successful and were supported by the government, actively touring and appearing on radio and television"
Lead
- if "it is estimated that she was born in 1811" prob better to say c. 1811 in lead and infobox
- "and minstrel " - minstrel not mentioned below?
- "only female in her artistic collective" - why not add mejlis here?
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Did you know nomination
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet (talk) 15:36, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
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- ... that the first prominent female folk poet in Azerbaijan was the 19th-century Ashiq Peri? Source: Heß, Michael R. (2016). "Aşıq Pəri". Encyclopaedia of Islam (3rd ed.). Aşıq Pəri’s work continues to have considerable impact, primarily as she was the first highly-regarded female Azerbaijani aşıq
- ALT1: ... that Ashiq Peri was the first prominent female folk poet in Azerbaijan? Source: Same as above
- Reviewed: Nebraska Television Network
Created by Golden (talk). Self-nominated at 12:00, 13 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Ashiq Peri; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- Its long enough and well reffed and the hook is OK and the subject is interesting. (What a joy to see a link to wikisource and her poems in translation). QPQ done, tools show no close paraphrasing, its neutral and based on sound sources. I think this needs to go on the main page. Well done Golden. Victuallers (talk) 14:22, 16 August 2023 (UTC)