Talk:Cyclone Amphan

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This page should not be speedy deleted as pure vandalism or a blatant hoax, because... (your reason here) --Seyyon12 (talk) 16:47, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.rsmcnewdelhi.imd.gov.in/images/bulletin/indian.pdf

It has been named as Amphan officially from India Meteorological Department,INDIA METEOROLOGICAL DEPARTMENT, Ministry of Earth Sciences, Government of India 2Hrs back in BULLETIN NO.: 05(BAY OF BENGAL01/2020), TIME OF ISSUE: 2030HOURS IST, DATED: 16.05.2020. I have added the url link for your reference.

http://www.rsmcnewdelhi.imd.gov.in/images/bulletin/indian.pdf

I Kindly request you to approve page and publish it as article.

Thanks & Regards, Seyyon

Sir, i have two points to say. First, Amphan had degraded to an Extremely Severe Cyclonic Storm at the time of landfall, although it was Super Cyclonic Storm previously. Secondly, the pronunciation of 'AMPHAN', as per the Government of India guideline, is 'UM-PUN'.

I earnestly request you to look into these facts at and do the necessary corrections. I would be highly obliged if done so Roy 953 (talk) 13:40, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you do {{clear}} at the top of this page? I am very confused. 🐔Chicdat ^ChickenDatabase 11:32, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is a clear at the top of the page in order to reduce the infobox breaching into subsquent sections. It will be removed once this article is expanded further.Jason Rees (talk) 02:36, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't did that Sir, I am new to wikipedia editing so I don't know how it works exactly... If anything I did wrong sorry for that Sir.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seyyon12 (talk • contribs) 13:47, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What? 🐔Chicdat ^ChickenDatabase 14:31, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can anyone please let me know how to add references inside {{reflist}} block. I have edited the content but when I try to add reflist i had only <ref></ref> tag and when I add in that it gets added in the last line of the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seyyon12 (talk • contribs) 12:39, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming that you are putting your references inside the ref tags, then it will automatically be added to the references section. The {{reflist}} template is primarily there to control where the references go. However, I would remind you that we only use reliable sources.Jason Rees (talk) 13:10, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Where can I find the highest winds and lowest pressure or highest hurricane category in this article? Typhoon Vongfong (2020) includes the information in the infobox.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 23:51, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Phoenix7777: Amphan will include the information within its infobox when the time is right, at the moment, the infobox is showing its current storm intensity.Jason Rees (talk) 00:08, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I understood the reason why the information is not shown. The template Infobox Hurricane is commented out, although the data is updated. I think it should be shown from the beginning of the cyclone. Is the comment out of the infobox the community concensus?―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 00:36, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well this is the first time that I have seen it used outside of the Atlantic on a current storm article, however, I believe that we regularly use it on the season articles for systems with full advisories. Personally I feel that it is a double-edged sword as to if we should have the infobox hurricane or infobox hurricane small, right from the start of us making the article up. In a case like Amphan, the infobox serves as an updated one-stop shop for the information provided by the various warning centres, however, at times the information isn't kept up to date as we would like. In this case though, I would presume that we will remove the infobox hurricane current within the next 12 hours or so since the IMD will stop their full advisories once it weakens into a depression.Jason Rees (talk) 01:17, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The highest pressure should be below 925 because 925 is what it had when it was a category 4 early in the weakening phase. The highest winds should be at least 160 mph one minute sustained. B137 (talk) 00:55, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@B137: The lowest pressure that we will be using in this article is 925 hPa and is taken from the IMD who are the RSMC of the basin and not the JTWC. However, we will be using the JTWC for the 1-minute sustained winds who assessed a peak of 140 kts (160 mph).Jason Rees (talk) 01:17, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like 901 and 913 were also quoted for pressure and the peak wind was 165 sustained 1 minute but also 165 gusts. B137 (talk) 15:28, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@B137: I personally agree with JTWC's pressures more, but even they retracted 901 and now have 907; they also retracted 145 knots in favor of 140 (still category 5), see the operational best track. I also agree IMD was late to the peak, but their word is official and we have to follow it.--Jasper Deng (talk) 01:50, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not for nothing then as the lower pressure would mean this was the most intense hurricane in the basin. B137 (talk) 03:55, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So let me get this straight @B137:, you wanna take the lowest pressure for Amphan from the JTWC and declare it the most intense tropical cyclone in the basin without looking at the JTWC pressures for the 1999 Odisha and a few other systems. Despite the India Met Department being the official warning centre for the region and the JTWC assessing various TCs to have a lower pressure than Amphan. Jason Rees (talk) 07:45, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In that case no. I didn't realize that this was an ongoing discrepancy that would apply to the previous storms. B137 (talk) 04:02, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can it be high importance? As Amphan is so strong that it is a SuCS, and it brought extensive damage to land area. --182.239.121.141 (talk) 17:18, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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surpassing the record held by Cyclone Nargis of 2008. Nargis is a cyclone in 2008, not 2004 182.239.121.141 (talk) 17:20, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Fixed –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 17:28, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be disagreement about how "Amphan" should be pronounced; I have hidden the pronunciation in the article's lead until we can come to some consensus. The pronunciation originally in the article was /ˈʌmpʌn/, which I added based on observing how news reports pronounced the cyclone's name. The IMD, specified that Amphan was to be pronounced "Um-pun", which is ambiguous regarding whether the vowel should be /ʌ/ ("u" as in "cut") or /ʊ/ ("u" as in "push"). I chose /ʌ/ because the storm name itself uses the letter "a" to transcribe this vowel, which doesn't make sense for /ʊ/.

The article's pronunciation was later changed to use /ʊ/, and then an etymology from the Thai "ท้องฟ้า" (pronounced "thong-fa" according to Wiktionary) was added. This means 'sky', and was probably added because some news reports translated the cyclone name as such. However, based on that pronunciation alone, this is obviously incorrect. The Thai-language article for the cyclone season uses the word "อำพัน" instead, which on Wiktionary has the correct transliteration of "am-phan". This word is also what Thai news sources are using. I note that this doesn't translate to 'sky', but rather 'amber'. This is in fact consistent with the theme of the other Thai-derived names in the basin – Phailin means 'sapphire' and Mora means 'agate'. It makes sense that Amphan would have a gemstone-related meaning as well; the 'sky' translation is almost certainly incorrect. Therefore, I believe that the pronunciation intended for Amphan is /ˈʌmpʌn/, derived from Thai อำพัน, meaning 'amber'. Thoughts? — RAVENPVFF · talk · 04:16, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Question: If the agency who named the system states how it is pronounced, then should we really be correcting them per

WP:OR? Jason Rees (talk) 12:28, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply

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It isn't a correction. All IMD stated was "um-pun", which is ambiguous regarding how the vowel is supposed to be pronounced. The evidence shows that the "u" sound in "cut" is what's probably meant here. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 16:55, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Like the date Dev Kritika (talk) 14:21, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]