Talk:Cyclone Yasi

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Is it possible to get consistent use of time zone recordings in this article. eg. use of 5pm or 7pm, etc. What time zone are we talking about? Z, UTC, AEDST, AEST, GMT, etc. Thanks

Though no specific times are stated, I can clear up that the Meteorological history is based on UTC (tropical cyclone project standard) Cyclonebiskit (talk) 14:56, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The times were stated in the opening sentence. I've now added times as AEST (with UTC in brackets). Consistent use throughout the article would help. Once things have quietened down, I'll go back and add times in the BOM and FMS warning notices, as the times of these notices are quite crucial, in the context of cyclone warnings.

talk) 12:14, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply

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Surely

AEDST to be pedantic, it is Summer! - 220.101 talk^\Contribs 12:28, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply

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Not in Queensland it isn't! -- Chuq (talk) 13:12, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Queensland does not have Daylight Savings, and is GMT +11. Comes.amanuensis (talk) 13:44, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I got it wrong! Comment crossed out. No need to 'gang up' on me! ;-) - 220.101 talk^\Contribs 14:42, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Queensland does not have Daylight saving <-- Correct

and is GMT+11 <-- incorrect

Australia Eastern Standard Time (AEST) – UTC or GMT+10 hours

GMT+11 is AEDT which inculding day light saving.

Ref : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Australia

Iamjackhk (talk) 15:00, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Advisories are timed in AEST, hence UTC+10 --Matthiasb (talk) 00:04, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

--Biatch (talk) 07:50, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not like Lassie. - Shiftchange (talk) 08:11, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The majority of the media is pronouncing it as Yahzee - Jimmetry (talk) 11:07, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The media usually get Pacific Island names wrong (eg footballers Tuqiri and Civoniceva - media calls them "tookeeree" and "sivoniseva" instead of the correct "toonggeeree" and "thivonitheva"). Yasi is a Fijian name, and pronounced "Yah-see". Ptilinopus (talk) 13:44, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

ABC/Ch7 started using the correct "Yah-see" pronunciation as of approx 10pm. - Jimmetry (talk) 14:38, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

i thought it is a cat 5...? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamjackhk (talk • contribs) 10:14, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well the sustained wind speed is only 205km/h (as of the 9pm update), so by SSHS it would actually be Category 3. However, American hurricanes are rated by 1-minute sustained winds rather than 10 as the rest of the world would... by that it's 230km/h and indeed Category 4. - Jimmetry (talk) 11:16, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for the explaination 211.31.9.37 (talk) 15:35, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It was on the news...

Thats cat 5 in the au and the other system.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keycoke (talk • contribs) 12:22, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

285 are the gusts, not the sustained wind speed. - Jimmetry (talk) 13:01, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Latest NASA tracking as of today have upgrade Yasi to CAT5 on the Saffir Simpson scale: [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Comes.amanuensis (talk • contribs) 13:13, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

NASA has confirmed that Yasi is category 5 on the Saffir Simpson scale. I would update it myself but i cannot find how to, so would someone be able to update it? Birdstothewind (talk) 13:42, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yasi has 155mph 1 minute sustained winds, so its very easy to get confused (5 mph off of cat 5 in SSHS) as cat 5 is > 155mph. Yqt1001 (talk) 16:27, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but NASA confirmed last night that it was Cat 5 in SSHS. If we are going by current statistics then, the category on the Australian scale should be downgraded to 2. Shouldent we just make it cat 5 on both scales, as that is what category it was when it made landfall early this morning? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Birdstothewind (talk • contribs) 06:51, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That infobox never follows current windspeeds on the way down as it aint designed too. Also we should not be calling Yasi a five on the SSHS as it wasnt a five. Category five intensity starts at 140 knots and per the Joint Typhoon Warning Center, Yasi peaked at 135 knots.Jason Rees (talk) 08:23, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

+ 1 Support on level 5 on the Saffir-Simpson Scale.

Yasi might not be cat 5 all the time, but it passed the cat 5 line for short period and both NASA and ABOM agree that it is a cat 5 cyclone under Saffur simpson scale.

this is from http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hurricanes/archives/2011/h2011_Yasi.html

Yasi has intensified rapidly and currently has winds gusting up to 295 kilometers per hour (183 mph). It is expected to maintain that intensity—equivalent to a Category Five hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson Scale--until landfall in northeastern Queensland between Cairns and Innisfail during the late evening local time on Feb. 2 (early morning Feb. 2 in the United States).

from http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDQ65002.shtml

The Australian BoM warning for northern Queensland is being couched in stronger language as Cyclone Yasi has intensified to category 5. This is the highest level on the Seffir-Simpson Scale and Category 5 is reserved for storms with winds exceeding 155 mph (69 m/s; 135 kn; 249 km/h).

also Katrina was a cat 3 hurricane when she eventually made landfall, but on wiki Katrina it was listed as cat 5 still, so it doesn't matter when and how long the cat 5 wind speed had lasted...as long as it reached the windspeed at some point we should call it a cat 5 cyclone under Saffur simpson scale. Iamjackhk (talk) 23:56, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose - It was not a category five tropical cyclone on the SSHS as the maximum sustained winds never reached 140 knots, peaking instead as a Category 4 TC per data from the Joint Typhoon Warning Center, which is what Wikipedia uses for SSHS categorization and not NASA. Also the BOM didnt rate it as a Cat 5 TC on the SSHS as they dont use it, they use their own scale.Jason Rees (talk) 01:58, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

295KM - [2] ... and also if the news (7,9,10 etc.) recognizes the storm to have reached 295 KM, so will we. --

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No we wont be recognizing Yasi as reaching maximum sustained winds of 295km/h because it didnt, the 295km/h you mention are gusts not maximum sustained windspeeds which is what the 1 and 10 minute windspeeds refer too.Jason Rees (talk) 03:10, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Okay then so where does the 295 km fit in this article then?

The 295km/h gets chucked into the infobox as Gusts and if the author who writes the systems MH so chooses he/she can add them in. Though the 295 is not correct per the BOM preliminary reportJason Rees (talk) 03:33, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed! I can't see why MelbourneStar1 can't wait a few months for the final report detailed report is released. Bidgee (talk) 03:49, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I find it ludacris that you people are actually saying it reached 285km?! This article originally said it reached 295km....So what has all of a sudden changed? --

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Figures change when the BoM starts looking into the data more deeply post the event then it could during it. IIRC that BoM downgraded TC Larry's windgust post the event as well, like TC Tracy. Bidgee (talk) 03:56, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(EC).. Operationally - the 295 km.h is correct per the Tech bull issued @ 1800 UTC, 01/02/2011 and that is what the media said it was. However after the system dissipated BOM revised their estimates downwards in the immediate aftermath of the system dissipating. We will find out what is correct when the BOM/FMS issue the BT on Yasi.Jason Rees (talk) 03:59, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have reported

When according to GMT will the cyclone reach the coast? Simplicius (talk) 14:18, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keycoke (talk • contribs) 14:21, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Landfall at 1400 GMT (Midnight QLD time, which is GMT +10). Eye hit at Mission Beach - Jimmetry (talk) 14:23, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Although it is very likely Yasi may turn out to be Queensland's worst cyclone in history, since there are currently no damage/death reports out yet, I believe it should be left as Cyclone Yasi (2011) until damages are out, since assuming it will be destructive violates

It doesn't really violate WP:OR. It keeps in line with Wiki policy. If one name stands out, then that gets the main name without any other identifier. As there was only one other Yasi, which did nothing, this is perfectly fine to be without the year. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:41, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I know Hurricane Karl got moved, but it wasn't moved at the instant it hit land; i'm just saying until we do get a damage bill(likely to be huge), we should keep it with the year... Rye998 (talk) 20:43, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Karl didn't get it done at first because there was a dab page. Right now, there is no dab page, so there is no real need to have the year. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:45, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• There are two Cyclone Yasi listed on the Yasi dab page. --John Vandenberg ^(chat) 00:31, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I can agree with that; Yasi 1996 wasn't even given an article and isn't viewed hardly ever. In that case, it doesn't violate WP:OR, but I was just saying it violates WP:OR to move the article assuming it did tons of damage; Karl's article wasn't moved at the start because no one could have expected it to do 5.6 billion in damage right off the bat; however, I don't think there is any point of moving the article now and have to move it back 2-3 days later when a damage bill in the billions of dollars comes out. I guess this discussion has been concluded. Rye998 (talk) 20:51, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yasi has been confirmed to have caused widespread destruction. The 1996 Yasi caused minimal damage at most, File:Yasi 1996 track.png. There's no reason not to have this article as the main one. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 20:56, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I can agree with that; seeing the current damages, it may just be like saying Hurricane Katrina shouldn't have the main page before it's retired. As I said earlier, I hope this discussion has been concluded. Rye998 (talk) 21:57, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In the article, it says "Cyclone Yasi caused 3.5 billion in damage in Queensland. It was the second-costliest cyclone in Australia's history with inflation. Without inflation, it's the costliest, surpassing Cyclone Larry in 2006 which caused AUS 1 billion in damage". That is false; even if Larry's damage was inflated, Tracy is still ahead of Larry. Should that statement be changed? Rye998 (talk) 21:28, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

With inflation, Cyclone Tracy is the costliest. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 21:59, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, should Tracy be put there instead of Larry? Rye998 (talk) 22:01, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Larry is the costliest without inflation ;) Cyclonebiskit (talk) 22:09, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, Larry and Tracy are tied at 800 million in damage without inflation. In that case, should both be put in, or should the whole thing be taken out since it isn't extremly notable? Rye998 (talk) 22:50, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yasi cost USD$3.5bn in 2011, Tracy cost USD$800m, which today would be USD$3.6bn, Larry cost USD$800m, which today would be USD$872m. The costliest without inflation is Yasi, followed by Larry and Tracy tied. With inflation it is Tracy, then Yasi, then Larry. The article should read "Cyclone Yasi caused 3.5 billion in damage in Queensland. It was the second-costliest cyclone in Australia's history with inflation behind

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This is a bit lame.ROxBo 10:02, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

I've revised Larry's damage total based on reports surfacing during Yasi stating that it (Larry) caused A$1.5 billion ($1.1 billion USD) in damage. According to the Australian Government, Tracy caused A$837 million in damage which would inflate to A$5.65 billion. However, people are being confused by the fact that conversion rates change constantly. When Tracy's damage is converted to USD, you get $647 million which inflates to about $2.64 billion in today's values. The best way to go is use the currency of the affected country, which in this case is Australia (obviously). This would give us the top three costliest (with inflation) as Tracy, Yasi, Larry. Without inflation it would be Yasi, Larry Tracy. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:49, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Its a single story thats emerged overnight, http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wa/8786138/yasi-fanned-the-flames-in-wa/ for now I'll leave it upto you guys to decide if its worth inclusion. Gnangarra 01:01, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just to let people know the BoM has just revised their preliminary TCR and lowered the intensity of Yasi to MSW: 110kts (205 km/h) Gusts: 155kts (285km/h) and raise the pressure to 929 hPa. Full details in this PRELIMINARY tropical cyclone report.Jason Rees (talk) 07:47, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I see that a response section has been included for special focus on the response by the government after the cyclone. However, it consists of only one brief sentence. Either the section should be expanded or merged with the impact section. That is because, the impact section is too big and the response section is too small. It makes the page look ugly. --

The article is at "Cyclone Yasi" which is the most commonly used name, but the talk page remains at "Severe Tropical Cyclone Yasi". Should it be changed to match the article name? Rye998 (talk) 17:58, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As far as i know there has been no formal decision on if Yasi will be retired yet from Nadis list (and yes they do retire names if they have a serious effect on Queensland). Anyone waiting for a formal decision will have to wait until the WMO RA V conference that will due to be taking place at some point in the next year.Jason Rees (talk) 19:48, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I saw that earlier in the article but there was no source to back up Yasi not being retired. I didn't remove the statement, but there is no word that this name wasn't retired yet, so we can't assume it won't (obviously, a storm causing this much damage will be retired). The Atlantic meeting will take place in April 11 to 15 in 2012. I think the meeting for the SHem also takes place in April as well, but we'll see. Rye998 (talk) 02:06, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I havent heard when either the SPAC/Aus one or the Aus/SWIO one takes place - TBH im more focused on the WPAC atm since it comes up shortly.Jason Rees (talk) 02:19, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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