Talk:Ib (video game)

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Reviewer: Vrxces (talk · contribs) 05:27, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (

   lists

   ):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (

   reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism

   ):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

General comments

• Thank you for updating the page for
  bloat
  .

• However, I think at this time, the article falls slightly short of the standard needed for a successful GAN. The article is certainly capable of becoming a GA and I have started to add some points of feedback below as a collection of thoughts that could help. I note that most of these are minor suggestions and not fundamental barriers to the passage of the GAN outside of its sourcing.

• • Generally, the main problem with the article lies with its sourcing; the article contains enough independent, reliable coverage to establish general notability, but the sources don't seem to illustrate broad secondary coverage verifying the article's information, and there is very little in the way of secondary sources on the game currently.

• I've put the assessment on hold if you would like to work on the article, but it is also fine to seek a reassessment or a second opinion if you think more time is needed to work on it too.

Feedback

Headline

• in an eldritch art museum You may like to link to the concept to make its meaning clear.
  • I'm not sure what you mean by the "concept". Wikilinking the word 'eldritch'?
• The game is considered a cult classic and a generally influential title... See below at Reception.

Plot

• Game screenshots tend to be placed in the 'Gameplay' section. However, I understand the screenshot is not particularly illustrative of the gameplay given the limited user interface.
  • I placed the screenshot there to avoid
    MOS:SANDWICH
    issues with the infobox.
• Whilst the section doesn't have the tenor of a strategy guide, the concision and flow of the section is broken a little attempting to break up the various endings. It sounds like there are quite a lot of variables. It may be worth stripping this section down a little more.
  • Removed the names of the endings, as they didn't really add anything to the plot summary

Development and release

• Kouri is a mononym of the developer. Is anything known about the developer? It's not unusual for articles on independent games to refer to anonymous creators, but available information seems like a logical research direction to provide greater detail on the content of this section.
  • "kouri" is obviously a pseudonym and I would have liked to state so in the article. Unfortunately, no RS explicitly confirm it (I guess they too think it's obvious?). He has a blog, but it doesn't really contain anything of substance beyond merchandise and update announcements. As multiplayer.it put it: "not much is known about Kouri".
• ...development started for... - suggest rewording to "started on".
  • Done.
• It may be more direct and short to try and combine information into shorter sentences where possible. For instance, the sentence "Created with the RPG Maker MV engine, the remake features updated graphics, sound and gameplay mechanics." reads just as clearly to me without embellishment.
  • Partly done, I guess?

Reception

• As a norm, I've found most articles begin with the second paragraph's statement about review aggregator scores, maybe as they tend to be a more objective assessment of the reception.
  • Typically yes. However, the aggregator scores only apply to the remake and I think it is better to address the original release first.
• Reference citations are usually attached to the scores included in the review template.
  • I think this follows the same rules as infoboxes: a citation is needed if the information is not already mentioned and cited in the body. I have therefore added citations to the individual review scores.
• Ib is considered a cult classic and generally influential title. This reads as a evaluative statement about the broad reception of the game that slightly overstates the importance of the game. The 'cult' label seems to be only supported by statements in two reliable sources, the RPG Fan and Nintendo World Report. Are there other ways to establish or express this wording?
  • I found and have added a
    Game Rant notes twice
    that it has a "large cult following", but I have omitted it for now.
• I note that the article for The Witch's House contains a citation that the developer was inspired by Ib to create the game. Are there good quotes or other sources like this which could establish a 'Legacy' section that provides direct evidence of the game's influence on the genre?
  • I don't think there is / couldn't find enough meat for a separate 'legacy' section that couldn't be naturally covered as part of the main reception.
• Otherwise, the existing sources themselves do not strongly illustrate why the game is influential and seems more precisely confined to the influence of the game on other RPG Maker horror titles.
  • I have dropped the word 'generally' to hopefully better convey the fact that its influence is limited to that genre. I'm open to further refining it, but I believe that the sourcing is now there to establish that it is/was an influential title within its (small) genre.
• To support greater neutrality and breadth of coverage, you may like to expand the review section to cover broader reception of the game's praise and any criticism around other aspects. What do the review sources say about the gameplay, graphics or sound design beyond the atmosphere?
  • Expanded