Talk:Ming conquest of Đại Ngu

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"the Yongle Emperor appointed Duke Zhu Neng (Duke of Cheng) to lead a Ming invasion, while also appointing Marquis Zhang Fu " - ugh! Let's get the proper political terms applied for the positions of these persons, and perhaps the 'English equivalent' in ( ) next to those terms. HammerFilmFan (talk) 08:56, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

http://factsanddetails.com/southeast-asia/Vietnam/sub5_9a/entry-3335.html

Yongle Emperor tells his officers not to kill innocents after succesfully invading Vietnam, even the young men from rebel families.

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/1078?hl=%22Jiao-zhi%22

http://cjip.oxfordjournals.org/content/5/2/129.full

http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/topic/5113-annamesevietnamese-dynasties/

http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?showtopic=1838

http://stujay.com/wp-content/uploads/public/What%20Makes%20Vietnamese%20So%20Chinese.pdf

https://www.asian-studies.org/EAA/EAA-Archives/19/2/1287.pdf

https://journals.lib.washington.edu/index.php/BIPPA/article/download/11805/10433

The Ming on the misdeeds of the Ho

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/901

The Ming Emperor advising Ming soldiers to refrain from slaughter of innocents, not to seize women, and not to destroy rice crops and graves of the Vietnamese, and orders them to find a worth Tran dynasty member to restore to the throne.

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/902

https://books.google.com/books?id=a2McBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA58&dq=emperor+wished+merely+to+correct+situation+not+conquer+land+goal+massive+expedition+restore+Tran+throne&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjSxrKXhujNAhXKHR4KHUv9BXYQ6AEIHjAA#v=onepage&q=emperor%20wished%20merely%20to%20correct%20situation%20not%20conquer%20land%20goal%20massive%20expedition%20restore%20Tran%20throne&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=gxVfTuKsaJQC&pg=PT443&dq=emperor+wished+merely+to+correct+situation+not+conquer+land+goal+massive+expedition+restore+Tran+throne&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjSxrKXhujNAhXKHR4KHUv9BXYQ6AEIIzAB#v=onepage&q=emperor%20wished%20merely%20to%20correct%20situation%20not%20conquer%20land%20goal%20massive%20expedition%20restore%20Tran%20throne&f=false

http://cjip.oxfordjournals.org/content/5/2/129.full.pdf

http://www.oxfordjournals.org/page/6787/14

http://minhtrietviet.net/lemontee/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/GIAO-CHI-DO-THONG-SU-TI.pdf

Ming Emperor advising soldiers not to harm innocent Vietnamese

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/903

Ming Emperor advising caution in battle

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/904

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/905

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/908

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/910

military advice

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/912

Military advice

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/921

administration

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/913

non-Han minority soldiers from China participated in the war against the Ho.

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/906

Ming Emperor ordering his soldiers to release any foreigners who were kidnapped by the Ho dynasty

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/920

Ming Emperor orders all Vietnamse gazetteers maps, registers to be preserved and forbids their destruction

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/916

In my opinion, the article's name is not accurate. To explain, Ming was not only the name of a Chinese dynasty but also being the official name of China between 1368 and 1644. Meanwhile, Hồ was only the name of the dynasty ruling Vietnam during the war this article mentions, and the official name of Vietnam during that time was Đại Ngu. As the name Đại Ngu may be unfamiliar to many English readers, so Việt is an acceptable alternative because since 938, the Vietnamese people have been regularly calling their nation as "the Việt nation" regardless of the country's official name . For example, the official name of Vietnam in the era of Lý Nhân Tông was Đại Việt; however, a stele celebrating Lý Thường Kiệt erected during that period referred to Lý Thường Kiệt as "The Việt nation's Chancellor Lý". Therefore, I propose that the article's name should be changed to Ming-Đại Ngu war or Minh-Việt war (1406–1407)!Ti2008 (talk) 06:31, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]