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2015 annual march

I am currently away from any computer with reasonable editing capabilities, so I cannot address this directly, but I hope that someone else can. The new sextion on the 2015 march has several problems. I find no clsim thwt it is an annual event; that they happened to have had such marches in two consecutive years does not mean that there are plans for that to be the frequency. NOM is the organizer, but does not appear to be a "sponsor", going by the list on the lifewhatever news source. The incinsistent crowd claims by NOM does not make them a reasonable range, nor NOM a reliable source for turnout. The claim of a peaceful march is froma promotional site that predates the event, and cannot be seen as reliable on the march itself. All in all, I'm not sure this particular march even merits its own section. -Nat Gertler (talk) 14:39, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at the page they have a sponsor list: [1]

Third Annual March

Here is what the site itself says, when it describes it as the "third annual March for Marriage" [2]

2015 marks the third annual March for Marriage and this is the most critical march ever. It is our last, best opportunity to reach the U.S. Supreme Court before they decide whether marriage as it has existed throughout our history is unconstitutional. In recent months, activist federal judges across the country have issued illegitimate rulings redefining marriage against the will of 50 million state voters and legislators who voted to preserve marriage as the union of one man and one woman. The Supreme Court is finally expected to consider the issue this spring, with arguments expected in close proximity to the March for Marriage, and a decision expected by late June 2015.

The March for Marriage is a powerful demonstration to the media, opinion leaders, legislators and jurists that a majority of Americans still stand for marriage as it has been traditionally and historically defined and handed down through the centuries. A recent national survey found that 53% of American voters believe that marriage is only the union of one man and one woman, and that 61% of voters are opposed to the U.S. Supreme Court forcing states to require same-sex 'marriage.'

It's time for the U.S. Supreme Court to uphold the legitimacy of state laws and constitutional provisions defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman. This is what marriage intrinsically is, and any ruling forcing states to abandon this construct of marriage will not be legitimate.

The March for Marriage is poised to become an essential and indispensable vehicle for voicing the values of pro-marriage Americans in a way that cuts through the biased media narrative and demands hearing in the halls of power.

Please join with thousands of your fellow citizens in Washington on April 25th to show your support for marriage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atom888 (talk • contribs) 15:16, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2015 News of the Marriage March

News history listed here: [3] Washington, DC — The National Organization for Marriage (NOM) today announced its lineup of speakers and special guests for the 2015 March for Marriage scheduled for this Saturday, April 25th, beginning at Third Street and the Capitol Reflecting Pool on the Washington Mall. The speakers and special guests reflect a heavy emphasis on communities of faith and include Papal Nuncio Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, the official representative of Pope Francis, Archbishop Joseph Kurtz, president of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, and prominent leaders of the Church of God in Christ and various protestant Christian denominations, along with representatives of numerous pro-family organizations.

"The outpouring of support from the faith and pro-family communities has been amazing, and is a reflection of how important we see this opportunity to demand of the justices of the US Supreme Court that they respect our values and our votes in support of preserving marriage as the union of one man and one woman," said Brian Brown, president of NOM. "We are especially honored to welcome Pope Francis' representative who stands with leaders of other Christian denominations and pro-family organizations in support of marriage."

The March for Marriage, the third such march, is scheduled three days before the US Supreme Court is scheduled to hear oral arguments in a case that could preserve traditional marriage laws throughout the country, or impose same-sex 'marriage' in every state in the nation. Speakers and special guests attending the march include: 

   Senator Reverend Ruben Diaz of New York
   Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, The Apostolic Nuncio of the Holy See to the United States of America and The Organization of American States
   Most Reverend Joseph E. Kurtz, Archbishop of Louisville and President of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops
   Most Reverend William E. Lori, Archbishop of Baltimore
   Most Reverend John Joseph McIntyre, Titular Bishop of Bononia and Auxiliary to the Archbishop of Philadelphia
   Rev. Jim Garlow, Senior Pastor of Skyline Church in San Diego, CA
   Reverend Brandon B. Porter, Prelate of the Tennessee Central Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction of the Church of God in Christ
   Josh Duggar, Executive Director of FRC Action
   Tom Minnery, President & CEO of CitizenLink
   Jennifer A. Marshall, Vice President for The Institute for Family, Community and Opportunity, The Heritage Foundation
   Reverend Bill Owens, Founder and President of the Coalition of African American Pastors
   Cathy Ruse, Family Research Council
   Mat Staver, Founder and Chairman, Liberty Counsel
   Carlos Luis Vargas Silva, Founder and President, Central Biblico Internacional
   Reverend Father Johannes Jacobse, Founder of the American Orthodox Institute and Pastor, Saint Peter Orthodox Church in Bonita Springs, FL
   John Eastman, Chairman of the National Organization for Marriage
   Brian Brown, President of the National Organization for Marriage

"We expect thousands of pro-marriage Americans, the largest crowd yet to attend a pro-marriage march, to come to Washington to show their support for traditional marriage," said Brian Brown. "We are honored that so many prominent leaders of faith and pro-family communities are lending their presence and prestige to the event. NOM is proud to march with each of them."

To schedule an interview with Brian Brown, please contact Paul Bothwell, [email protected], (703) 474-6142.

NOM Organizer / Sponsor of Event

NOM is clearly the main sponsor or organizer of the event. (contact the above email or phone # to verify this if you have questions about it)

Also, on the main site at the bottom of the page it has this: © Copyright 2015 NOM Education Fund.

NOM | 2029 K Street NW, Suite 300 Washington, DC 20006 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atom888 (talk • contribs) 15:12, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You yourself linked to a sponsor list. NOM is not on that list., they are an organizer, not a sponsor. -Nat Gertler (talk) 15:24, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've now moved the March coverage (the Activities section is roughly in time order, so it belonged deeper into that section), rewrote it to include the series of marches, removed the claim that NOM was a "sponsor", etc. --Nat Gertler (talk) 14:14, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

990 disclosure

The HRC is filing a complaint claiming that NOM is not releasing their most recent 990. We should keep an eye on this, not just for coverage that makes it worthy of inclusion, but because that coverage may give fresh financial stats. --Nat Gertler (talk) 18:12, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is now a moot point since the IRS now publishes 990 filings. A copy of NOM's most recent filing (FY 2021) can be found here. Nowa (talk) 16:16, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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alleged vandalism

An editor has repeatedly tried to insert the claim that the Free Speech Bus was vandalized, using this USA Today article as source. The problem with that is, despite the headline, the article never claims in USA Today's voice that the vandalism actually took place. It says that someone claims the bus was vandalized, and specifically refers to it as "alleged vandalism". As such, the claim is not properly sourced. I am removing it again. Please do not re-add it without an appropriate reliable source being included. --Nat Gertler (talk) 22:18, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That person is me and I just undid your mistake. This is how it looked like before I first made an edit. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Organization_for_Marriage&oldid=835151776#Free_Speech_Bus The article talked about vandalism before I even made my first edit.

You undid my edit and completely removed the part about vandalism. And you removed my source too which says that NOM worked with IOF... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enemyofjokes (talk • contribs) 22:32, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If you can't figure it out, the other source, that I didn't add, talks about vandalism https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/03/31/an-anti-transgender-free-speech-bus-is-rolling-through-the-east-coast-sparking-protests-and-a-video-game/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c8f67feccf1f — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enemyofjokes (talk • contribs) 22:37, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If the fact that the IOF was involved was what you were trying to reference, then you put the reference near that, not several sentences later. I have moved it. --Nat Gertler (talk) 23:45, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
From WaPo, stated in their voice as fact:

"protesters vandalized the bus, spray painting it with graffiti reading “trans rights” and smashing its front window"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/03/31/an-anti-transgender-free-speech-bus-is-rolling-through-the-east-coast-sparking-protests-and-a-video-game/?utm_term=.1c91b8f64256

– Lionel(talk) 23:56, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2M4M section?

What happened to the entire section on the 2M4M section, visible here, and one of the earliest pushes by this group? It was one of the first things that brought it both attention & ridicule and was widely documented. See this revision: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Organization_for_Marriage&oldid=283591789
It seems very odd that it's been wiped from the page, given other less significant/noted campaigns that are featured here. JamesG5 (talk) 04:55, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sometime around 2013, the heading was changed to "Advertising campaigns", and since then successive edits have changed some of the content. But I think much of it is still there. Search the page for "M4M". - Nunh-huh 08:06, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I need to read more carefully.  :-) JamesG5 (talk) 09:54, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Eastman still Chairman of NOM?

A question relevant to this page is being raised at Talk:John_Eastman#Still_chairman_of_NOM? -- I suggest we keep any discussion there rather than splitting it over two pages. -- Nat Gertler (talk) Nat Gertler (talk) 14:11, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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