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Career best?

Why are we bolding what is considered Patrick Mahomes career bests. Would it not make sense to bold CAREER HIGHs like how we do all other NFL statistics for other NFL Players? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tdubbs11 (talk • contribs) 19:12, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

bloated!

Including every stat for all 16 games seems to make it bloated and not an easy read. Someone should put all his records in one category for an easy read

Early Life

Mahomes was born on September 17, 1995, in Tyler, Texas, to Pat Mahomes, then an MLB pitcher, and Randi Mahomes. It needs to say Mahomes was born on September 17, 1995, in Tyler, Texas, to Pat Mahomes, then an MLB pitcher, and Randi Martin.

Semi-protected edit request on 11 October 2022

Change the statement "Mahomes is one of four African-American quarterbacks to win the AP MVP award" to "Mahomes is one of four Black quarterbacks to win the AP MVP award" Gasperaustin (talk) 04:00, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The use of African American to describe a black person is unspecific and often inaccurate. Gasperaustin (talk) 04:02, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done My rationale for completing this request is that the page title of where the text leads to uses "black" over "African-American" and so do the footnotes, so doing so for article consistency. Any more experienced editor familiar with
WP:MOS or what not has my full permission to revert without questioning from me. —Sirdog (talk) 05:55, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Why does his race need to be mentioned? Three times at that. His mother is white. 2600:6C5A:677F:CB0F:C898:DA73:53B4:A4BD (talk) 22:25, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Super Bowl stat table

@Rockchalk717 @Yankees10 Yo. Since Mahomes is set to make his fourth Super Bowl start, I wanted to revisit the idea of readding the Super Bowl stat table for his page. I added the table following his third appearance last year but it was reverted due to a lack of consensus (see revision history of March 22, 2023). HappyBoi3892 (talk) 01:40, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have mixed feelings about it. Four is a lot and I love that he's starting in #4 as a Chiefs fan. Number 4 could justify one but I still go back to the fact that Tom Brady has one because he played in what is an entire career's worth of playoff games for some quarterbacks in just the Super Bowl. I'll put it this way, if one other person says they like the idea, I'll say yes to it, but for now it's a no for me.--Rockchalk717 04:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the table should be added. I believe that four appearances is a solid enough sample size and since Mahomes has played differently in Super Bowls than other playoff games, I think it would be helpful to include. Ben Roethlisberger previously had a table with 3 appearances. For all of this I believe all quarterbacks with 3-4+ Super Bowl starts should get a table. Was actually logging on to create a table lmao. GoGreen2024 (talk) 20:53, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My initial thinking is that the per game logs are at stat EL links. What is the objective criteria for inclusion? Is there a cutoff? —Bagumba (talk) 15:07, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Observation based on List of Super Bowl starting quarterbacks#Quarterbacks with multiple Super Bowl starts:
So...
  • 4+ starts – 5 of 7 players (5 of 8 if you count Patrick)
  • 3+ starts – 6 of 13 players
  • 2+ starts – 6 of 21 players
I'm for consistency and setting a threshold if we want to do this, I don't really have a side. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:41, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And what about non-QBs? —Bagumba (talk) 15:44, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if we look at this query on StatMuse...
  • Stephen Gostkowski – 6 games played – No SB table (kicker)
  • Mike Lodish – 6 games played – No stat tables at all (defensive tackle)
  • Cornelius Bennett – 5 games played – No playoff or SB table (linebacker)
  • Tedy Bruschi – 5 games played – No playoff or SB table (linebacker)
  • Patrick Chung – 5 games played – No SB table (safety)
  • Larry Cole – 5 games played – No stat tables at all (defensive lineman)
  • Marv Fleming – 5 games played – No stat tables at all (tight end)
  • Rob Gronkowski – 5 games played – No SB table (tight end)
  • Cliff Harris – 5 games played – No stat tables at all (safety)
  • Charles Haley – 5 games played – No stat tables at all (linebacker / defensive end)
  • D.D. Lewis
    – 5 games played – No stat tables at all (linebacker)
  • Matt Light – 5 games played – No stat tables at all (offensive tackle)
  • Devin McCourty – 5 games played – No playoff or SB table (safety)
  • Glenn Parker – 5 games played – No stat tables at all (offensive lineman)
  • Preston Pearson – 5 games played – No stat tables at all (running back)
  • Bill Romanowski – 5 games played – No stat tables at all (linebacker)
  • Matthew Slater – 5 games played – No stat tables at all ("wide receiver" / special teams, really just special teams)
  • Charlie Waters – 5 games played – No stat tables at all (safety)
  • Rayfield Wright – 5 games played – No stat tables at all (offensive tackle)
  • Adam Vinatieri – 5 games played – No SB table (kicker)
@Bagumba: Just a quick look at each page, so I may have missed one or two. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:24, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd lean toward standard regular season and general playoff stats for all players, and leave the specific game logs to stats sites. I'm neutral on Brady being an outlier. I don't believe the other major U.S. sports projects have finals-specific stats for players in their pro leagues. —Bagumba (talk) 16:35, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@HappyBoi3892: Sorry totally forgot this conversation was taking place. Bagumba makes a solid point. I've removed a few of them myself over the years. Consistency is a key thing. For me, I prefer either the total elimination of it, or leaving it to quarterbacks who start like 6 or more. It doesn't make much sense to include it for non-quarterbacks as their greatness isn't as frequently measured by Super Bowls, Troy Aikman is the best example of this with mediocre regular season stats but is in the Hall of Fame because he won 3 Super Bowls.--Rockchalk717 22:05, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"I prefer either the total elimination of it, or leaving it to quarterbacks who start like 6 or more" Ironically Brady is the only QB with 6+ starts lol. I do agree with the idea of having Brady as the only one with the table (and maybe Elway since he has 5) but I think Mahomes is a unique case because he's an active player. Although basing this on potential future success probably isn't the way to do this, he's likely to have more Super Bowls appearances under his belt before he retires. HappyBoi3892 (talk) 01:51, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Rockchalk717 Forgot to ping. Mb HappyBoi3892 (talk) 06:13, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes and that was intentional. Once again, Tom Brady has played in more Super Bowls than some quarterbacks have played in the playoff games period (Joe Theismann, Fran Tarkenton, Mark Rypien, Rich Gannon, Matt Stafford, Boomer Esiason, Drew Bledsoe, Kerry Collins, and Cam Newton to name a few).--Rockchalk717 23:25, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 12 February 2024

4 time superbowl champion 2600:100D:B14A:62A4:B0B5:D90D:857B:70C4 (talk) 03:54, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Only three so far. —C.Fred (talk) 05:09, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Race

Patrick Mahomes keeps getting called black. His mom is white and his dad is black. When someone is 50/50 how does the media choose your race? When it fits their narrative? 2603:9001:A200:1289:D89A:560B:C06E:854 (talk) 05:07, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why can’t he just be a quarterback? The longer we keep classifying people, the worse off we are. 2603:9001:A200:1289:D89A:560B:C06E:854 (talk) 05:38, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia is not a forum. This is not the place to discuss opinions on matters like this. From a Wikipedia standpoint, he is identified as black in the article because Patrick himself identifies as black. He even has expressed pride in his black heritage and has stated his annoyance with people saying he isn't full black. Source is here. Please do not attempt to debate if he is or isn't black with editors as these debates will fall on deaf ears.--Rockchalk717 23:15, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply
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If someone is biracial they may prefer to identify as one race and that's ok. Mahomes has, in the past, self described himself as a black man, so that's what we describe him as. Hey man im josh (talk) 23:38, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's overly simplistic to deal only with "50/50" given the history of rape by slave owners and at least one U.S. president having children with a slave. But I believe the general practice on WP is to go with one's self-identity. —Bagumba (talk) 02:00, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Info Box inclusion for Mahomes' total yards record in 2022

A few times now Mahomes' info box has had his 2022 total yardage record added and removed, specifically by @Hey man im josh. I agree with the sentiment that it can be seen as a lesser-talked about record compared to others (such as a career leader or season leader in a more specific stat, such as passing yards, passing touchdowns, etc.), however other notable quarterbacks do include such records in their info boxes. For example Josh Allen's page includes records such as: "Most consecutive seasons with 40+ total touchdowns by a quarterback: 4" and "Most games in a season with one passing and rushing touchdown: 11". Both of which, the same argument can easily be made that they are lesser-talked about records that are only included in the info box to boast Allen more. Even Jalen Hurts's page includes super bowl records by a quarterback when Tom Brady's page doesn't include such in the info box (like his record for pass attempts in a super bowl, pass completions in a super bowl, and yards in a super bowl). I am all for removing the lesser-discussed records from info boxes to avoid bloating, however there needs to be a consistency across all player pages. I.e. add it back for Mahomes' info box (as well as the others that are missing it), and leave it on the others' info boxes OR keep it removed from Mahomes' info box but also delete such records from the info boxes of other players. HoodedBlack (talk) 21:16, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The infobox is for major records only, not for records that have a caveat or are cherry picked. The record is specifically about combined rushing and passing yards, something that's not typically combined for quarterbacks except in the context of a record.
WT:NFL to start this discussion. Hey man im josh (talk) 21:21, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply
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See also
WP:NFLINFOBOXNOT, which references arbitrary records as something to leave out. Hey man im josh (talk) 21:23, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply
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For clarification, I was not using
Wikipedia talk:NFL is the more appropriate forum and I apologize for starting the topic here. Thank you as well, for the clarification on that and as well as the clarifying information on keeping the info box records consistent. HoodedBlack (talk) 22:10, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2024

HE IS FROM WHITEHOUSE TX NOT TYLER HE GRADUATED FROM WHITEHOUSE WILDCATS HIGHSCHOOL. 165.214.12.73 (talk) 12:03, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Note: I assume you're referring to his town of birth. If so, multiple sources currently disagree, albeit with questionable reliability. (USA Today) However, facts such as birthplace and time are commonly miscommunicated. Some support your claim, even if in the minority. (ESPN) I think we should look into finding a primary source... Please provide one if you have it.
— Urro[talk][edits] ⋮ 12:54, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 12:49, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sack Stats for Patrick Mahomes

All other QBs on Wiki show the number of sacks and yards but Patrick Mahomes does not. Has he never been sacked? 73.176.157.243 (talk) 14:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2024

add a reference [1] Zlukeeramo (talk) 00:31, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where do you want it added? Liu1126 (talk) 00:43, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a
"change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 09:11, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2024 (2)

add a reference [2] Zlukeeramo (talk) 00:32, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As above, where? Liu1126 (talk) 00:44, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a
"change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 09:12, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
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  1. ^ Trevino, G. (2024, February 11). The year OSU (technically) beat Patrick Mahomes four times. University Wire. https://www.proquest.com/docview/2927498728/citation/14AEA8D0EA3D4B24PQ/1
  2. ^ Patrick Mahomes—Kansas City Chiefs Quarterback. (n.d.). ESPN. Retrieved March 31, 2024, from https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3139477/patrick-mahomes
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