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On 13 May 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Al-Aqsa Intifada to Second Intifada. The result of the discussion was moved.

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The sources used for “graph of reduced bombings” and “suicide bombings” are both non available on servers. These are the Only claims that defend preemptive sanctions on Gaza as effective counter terrorism. Please update 2601:404:D600:B0D0:A90B:2E7F:A406:819 (talk) 11:38, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Dovidroth: Two pictures about Israel in the lede does not satisfy NPOV, especially when you have removed a picture that has been described by many as iconic in the context of the second intifada. Makeandtoss (talk) 08:40, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not to mention that the bus image illustrates little. There's plenty of choice.

Iskandar323 (talk) 09:24, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply

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I am with the Faris Odeh picture which has been described by many as iconic. Makeandtoss (talk) 09:30, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

True. That is probably the single-most iconic Second Intifada image.

Iskandar323 (talk) 09:35, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply

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It's not so iconic to begin with. Stone-throwing, unlike the First Intifada, was not so characteristic of the Second Intifada, which was more focused on shootings and suicide bombings. And the image is already in the proper section anyway, where it belongs. Dovidroth (talk) 13:39, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Opinion this is not. "The photo of Faris Odeh, a boy standing alone in front of a tank while he throws a rock at it, has become an iconic image of the second intifada" Clark, J. E. (2018). 9 Pawns, Martyrs, Fighters, and Innocents. War Experience and Memory in Global Cultures Since 1914. Routledge. And Faris Odeh is not actually mentioned in the section that you have linked, so the image is in no way beholden to that.

Iskandar323 (talk) 14:20, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply

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The image is from December 2000 and is in the section dealing with events of November/December 2000. Dovidroth (talk) 14:30, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted. The idea that the infobox on an event in which 3,000+ Palestinians were killed should only feature images of Israeli casualties and/or Israeli soldiers is absurd. nableezy - 15:03, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This was a Palestinian uprising. Yet most of the photos are from an Israeli perspective. It's even worse on Commons. Ezzex (talk) 16:22, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you have other photos that are allowed by Wikipedia's copyright policies, feel free to add them. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 16:26, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

in section 2002 of the timeline talking about the Arab peace deal the final line states "...endorsed by Arafat, but virtually ignoring by Israel" this should be "ignored by Israel" or "virtually ignoring Israel" 185.108.171.62 (talk) 12:09, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Al-Intifāḍat aṯ-Ṯāniyya is incorrect: the t at the end of the first word is not pronounced, and the second word does not have a double yy. It should be Al-Intifāḍa al-Ṯāniya (according to the Strict Transliteration at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Arabic, ISO 233) or Al-Intifāḍah al-Thāniyah (ALA-LC romanization, approved at the same Wikipedia Manual of Style page). Linguistatlunch (talk) 18:26, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Makeandtoss (talk) 13:13, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The first paragraph contain "as anticipated", but doesn't include a source for this claim as well as anticipated by who. In general I think this is not neutral language, but at the very least this kind of claim needs to be backed by a source. Asafg8 (talk) 17:55, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

From the cited source page:

The outbreak of the Second Intifada is also intertwined with the story of another Israeli hero-soldier: Ariel Sharon. Palestinians loathed Sharon as the sword-bearer of Israel's reprisal strategy in the 1950s, as a father of Israel's settlement policy, and as the butcher of Palestinians in Lebanon after Israel's 1982 invasion. So when Sharon planned to visit the Temple Mount on September 28, 2000, to emphasize Jewish claims to the site, it spelled trouble. The Temple Mount, controlled by Israel since the 1967 War, is the most contested real estate in the world. It is the site of the first and second temples, the latter destroyed by the Romans in 70 C as pun ishment for a Jewish revolt. Indeed Jews gather to pray at one of the retaining walls for the second temple, the Western or "Wailing" Wall, because of its proximity to this holiness. Built on top of the Mount, how ever, are two mosques, the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock, the latter of which is supposedly built over the "holy of holies," the inner sanctum of the ancient Jewish temple. For Muslims around the world, the mosques' antiquity and the holiness of Jerusalem in the Islamic tradi- tion make the Temple Mount's status a source of constant concern. Jewish control of the Mount is particularly galling. Months before Sharon's visit, as Barak and Arafat negotiated the Mount's status at Camp David, the fate of the site dominated the news. Radicals, and even moderates, on each side feared their leaders would make unforgivable concessions to clinch a deal. Sharon's visit was his way of dramatically demonstrating his opposition to any concessions. Palestinian officials, Israeli police, and Israeli intelligence all predicted that blood would flow if Sharon went forward with his visit. Dennis Ross, the U.S. envoy to the peace talks, warned the Israeli interior minister Shlomo Ben-Ami about the visit, "I can think of a lot of bad ideas, but I can't think of a worse one."4 Before Sharon's visit Arafat and Barak had dinner together at Barak's home in Kochav Yair. As Arafat left he warned Barak about the risks of Sharon's planned visit. Barak, however, felt he could not block Sharon; it was his right as an Israeli to visit the site, and any interference would be seen as politically motivated.

I think this justifies "as anticipated", although maybe we should say by who. DMH223344 (talk) 22:20, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]