User talk:Coldmachine/Archive 3

No problem. - Rjd0060 (talk) 04:40, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

OMS! (lol) That's a surprise. Maybe that Jim bloke didn't know how to remove it- or didn't he voice any opposition on talk? Did you see on Black Mass that I actually had a look at LaVey's mass (yawn) just to look at the word, and he doesn't actually decline 'Satanas' but uses the same ending all the way through? It's just his word for Satan in it. So we were all a bit wrong lol as no-one had read it. I'm actually learning new info from that article. That Jim bloke does actually know a bit- so it can'tve been him who wrote the "LaVey never made a mistake evar" version of that section it was at when I came across it. I honestly thought a teenage boy must've written that bit. Merkin's mum 16:23, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

plus- well done- come to remember the article and look at your prod reason, you were probably right that it was a lot of

WP:OR. It's the luck of the draw with occult fan-type articles sometimes, as to whether they get deleted. Depending on how many other fans they can recruit in an AfD to claim that it's notable. Merkin's mum

16:29, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, I don't think he removed the prod tag because doing so implies an acceptance of having to improve the article substantially and I think it was evident that this would be extremely difficult in this instance: the article was clearly

WP:WEASEL. Argghhhh! Coldmachine^Talk

17:42, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

It's not deletionism, or at least not in a bad way. I call it "deleting bollox from the wiki". I join in AfDs quite often, and also I must admit hit "random article" to flick through looking for hopeless articles. My doubt as to whether the Ave Satanas article would be deleted, was due to its notability in the occult world and its no doubt being mentioned in lots of books. But I should've thought that sometimes that doesn't count for much on wiki as it's not notable in

Joy of Satan lol (I have an excuse for writing that article, as the JoS led to scandal in a Nazi organisation, when it led to several resignations when a leader was found to be involved with it. [1] As to reliable sources, it was in the Roanoke Times, no less!:) Merkin's mum

17:00, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

-Remember you would have to amass enough what they view as more valuable edits before you were "allowed." :) Merkin's mum 12:12, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

A barnstar, thanks! Now I'll have to tinker again with my jazzy userpage.:) Sticky Parkin 15:24, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

There are not many rows over this at the mo except spam links, people occasionally wanting to include their fave groups etc. I've worked hard on it so would appreciate your opinion, as I value it.:) If you don't want to join in any fray there may be, you're welcome to just leave a msg on my talk page. Sticky Parkin 18:45, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi, it looks as if you got this one pretty much covered! It's not really my area; I wouldn't know where to find reliable sources for improving the content. I could go through and tag it, but I think you already went ahead and made a heap of improvements! If you still need my input let me know, even if it's for some mundane

gnome-esque treatment. Coldmachine^Talk

19:16, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

It has pics now.:) I have to go through and add another dozen refs of something and remove any

WP:GA status, and it will be the first article I've helped on its way there.:) :) :) Sticky Parkin

18:04, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Again, thank you for your guidance and vigilance in maintaining the standards of Wikipedia. --Docmcconl (talk) 02:46, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

That's ok, really, I'm just sorry that your first ventures into contributing to the project have proven a little frustrating perhaps, but please stick around and try your hand at editing some of the articles here to introduce improvements. While external links to Literapedia may not be appropriate there's still plenty of contributions you could make! Coldmachine^Talk 08:12, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

This article which we contributors want to get to

Ok, you convinced me: I'll take a look. I'm up to here so far and will continue working through the article later, or tomorrow, with some additional tidy up. I think it's reasonably well sourced and written: there are a few things which need to be ironed out though before GA nomination in my opinion and then a reviewer would also have some feedback to give for improving things further still. Coldmachine^Talk 20:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. All suggestions etc are much appreciated.:) Sticky Parkin 11:00, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok I've gone upto as far as you've got.:) I wasn't sure about sources in a lead but since then have seen that some other articles considered controversial have them, such as Chiropractic, although that has the longest lead section I've seen lol:) Sticky Parkin 19:15, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for editing my errors, I was on a time line and wasted alot of time trying to figure out what I thought would be a simple editing system, wrong! I want to add pictures, and I somehow missed a citation or two, plus I need a block quote. So be patient, thanks again, 'caped one' (you know, like superheroes).N.E.Knight (talk) 03:25, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

IT was not disruptive, I meant what I said. Have you any citations to disprove these things which are commonly known by all of us who opnce stuidied at the uni up there? Autobush (talk) 15:10, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but the content you added is

WP:NPOV). Coldmachine^Talk

15:17, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

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I am not sure how this works, but I am seeking additional opinions on the discussion on this page, I will abide by the general consensus. User JZA continues to undermine my edits and has done over a period. However I am only looking at opinions on the discussion page on Liverpool Urban Area if you are interested please leave your thoughts. Thank you. Dmcm2008 (talk) 10:09, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Do not threaten me. I am not a vandal and here is proof-[2] . Autobush (talk) 15:00, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

First of all one diff on one article does not prove that you have not been disruptive elsewhere. Your contribution history makes your disruptive attitude to editing perfectly clear:

• [3] on Liverpool
• [4], which you then reinserted after a revert here on Liverpool
• [5] on Davina McCall, which you then reinserted after a revert here
• [6] on Matthew Robertson
• [7] on Zimbabwe
• [8] on Italian Social Republic
• [9] on Croatia
• [10] on Slobodan Milošević
• [11] on Surrey
• [12] on Tsugumi Ohba

And the fact you now also have an ongoing accusation of sockpuppetry against your account here is by no means helpful. If this were me I would be editing with far more caution under the circumstances and far more attention to

Thanks for your response. Although I don't think it's entirely for the best for Wikipedia, I think it's best if I leave Merseyside content alone altogether, at least for some time. I had hoped to help get a WikiProject:Merseyside off the ground at somepoint down the line, but I don't think I could be involved in this area at the moment.

Thanks again, --Jza84 |  Talk  18:56, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I absolutely wouldn't hold off making the valuable contributions you've been providing to date; this is just an ongoing content dispute with an editor who is (relatively) new to the process: don't let it get to you or feel that you have to hold off making contributions. There have been consensus building responses to the controversial edits, and the other editor has nearly always accepted the prevailing view of the community. Likewise; you're under no obligation to expend energy or effort in trying to educate: if you feel exhausted from your previous attempts (which are commendable) then why not just take a break from interacting with that editor? I hope you change your mind, because personally I think you've been a valuable contributor and it would be a shame to lose your input to the Merseyside related articles. I tell you what: I may check in with another user who was recently handed the mop; he is a leading contributor in the Cheshire project and may be able to offer some further guidance to Dmcm2008 as well as on the content issues. Coldmachine^Talk 22:15, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

OK, you've won me over. I will certainly avoid this gentleman for the time being. I've been told (asked rather) privately to block him, but I'm with you - I think Dmcm2008 has alot of passion about the region which could be harnessed very productively.

I still think a

WP:MERSEY is the right way forwards here - the region is in need of a WikiProject so badly, which is a shame. Thanks again though, I'll see what happens from here. :) --Jza84 |  Talk 

23:20, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I have seeked help from others in a civil way and Jza is in no way helpful toward me. If I am to be civil this editor should also take note of Civility.

Try my VAUXHALL,Liverpool page (or Vauxhall, Merseyside due to JZA interference despite it being in the city of Liverpool). I have positively added to this infact the article was started by me. I feel sick to the back teeth Jza AND Kitchen Knife are insulting me every time I edit yet no one picks up on it because i may have made an honest mistake and they turn it in to somekind of game to disrupt and insult me; I tell you this I aint going away and I dont like being treated as if I am a troublesome or vandal either. I aim that to JZA84 and Kitchen Knife.Dmcm2008 (talk) 08:55, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I see that you have noticed User:Autobrush's negative editing. Autobrush is doing the same thing on the article Kosovo, I have given him a final warning to stop, but I see that you have given him one too which he appears to have ignored. I will support you if you intend to propose to have Autobrush banned from Wikipedia.--R-41 (talk) 20:43, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I've replied on User talk:Ddstretch#Cheshire project experience with Merseyside articles?. Best wishes.  DDStretch  (talk) 18:46, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Not nagging, just checking you got my last mail a week or two ago. I got yours about the TS article etc. and replied, since then your mails seem to have vanished out of my gmail, there must've been some sort of glitch in the matrix, so just checking it turned up. Sticky Parkin 03:03, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes I did get the email: been chaotic lately with lots going on so sorry I've not had a chance to reply yet: I promise I will! Coldmachine^Talk 13:52, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

That's ok I was just checking:) Hope all is ok-ish in Coldmachine world.:) Sticky Parkin 23:58, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your seemly contribution. --

Invitation to intervene actively

I've responded on the article talk page. This issue is problematic: your posts on the talk there are dissuading people from actively working with you to achieve a consensus for change; they're not personal attacks as far as I can see but the problem lies in clouding the precise nature of your concerns over wording/content. I'd suggest presenting your arguments more succinctly, to be able to engage with the other editors far more effectively than is currently the case. Coldmachine^Talk 07:53, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Rhetorical questions?

I post these rhetorical questions on your personal talk page, hoping to avoid being perceived as a heedless trouble-maker. --

Tenmei, I have neither the time nor inclination to involve myself in the content disputes in which you are embroiled to the extent you appear to require. I have at no point claimed perfection in the policies and guidelines of Wikipedia; I have, however, pointed them out as the framework within which you should be editing and resolving your disputes. Instead you choose to lambaste others with hyperbole to drive home your

disruptive approach to dispute resolution not only affirms the view I hold but is also unhelpful to the extreme. Coldmachine^Talk

23:56, 30 July 2008 (UTC)